No shooting down here.................. agree entirely. The new single fueling reactors make it even more attractive.
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Not to mention all electric set ups like on the Darings and DDG1000, just replace the prime movers with a pair of small reactors. Add the power requirements of new generation sensors and directed energy weapons and it makes even more sense.
The truth of the matter is as a kid I imagined the RAN buying a squadron of , my favourite ship at the time, Virginia Class CGNs, to supplement the original squadron of modified Bainbridge class DLGNs they acquired in the mid 60s as escorts for their pair of modernised Implacable class carriers. Oh of course the Oberons were operating along side of a squadron of Skipjacks.
hwell I was young and know better now.
Any thoughts or comments about a militarised version of the stern landing vessel as a viable option for the LCH replacement.
I found this article, but doesn't say much. I am curious to see what those with credible insight/experience have to say about it
Net Traveller: Stern Landing Vessels for Australian Military
I found this article, but doesn't say much. I am curious to see what those with credible insight/experience have to say about it
Net Traveller: Stern Landing Vessels for Australian Military
Two operate in Bass Strait. there are complications with this type of vessel. Personnally something like the french Batral woul be quite sueful given the range and helo facilities.
thanks for the info Alexsa
I have always been fond of the BMT Concepts for this as well, I was first made aware of them by Abe
BMT Defence Services - Fast Landing Craft Tank Caimen-200 (Design DS703)
There is of course the ship the Army wanted for the role back in the 1960s before inter-service politics reared its ugly head. The LSM Mk 2. The ship architect for the LSM Mk 2 is still active (Burness Corlett) so maybe they can dust off the design and partner with which ever Australian shipyard is still left standing with a shred of reputation.
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The way defence acquisition is at the moment it would not surprise me if they just brushed the dust off and used it with same level of tech and engineering, hell the engines might be more reliable then anything thats in the inventory at the moment!:tomato
Some news about the future aussie submarine, hope you enjoy it as much as I did reading it...
Spain’s S-80: the SEA 1000 dark horse? | Australian Defence News & Articles | Asia Pacific Defence Reporter
Spain’s S-80: the SEA 1000 dark horse? | Australian Defence News & Articles | Asia Pacific Defence Reporter
what a load of nonsense.APDR said:
someone in APDR obviously has not spoken to Navy
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That is a very interesting read, Thanks.
Still think the Virginia Class would be the way to go.
Lets have a reality check with respect to the Spanish.
There is NO shortlist
There is NO decision on any contenders
There is NO BASELINE design for any proposed future sub
Any sub design will require a high interoperability requirement with US systems - and systems that the Spanish, Germans or French don't have access to. Its a bit hard for them to integrate systems that they won't have access to and which is the province of US State to decide who can integrate with if such tech is released from ITARs restrictions.
This obsession with the Spanish having a chance because of an extant relationship with AWD or phatships is just nonsense, in fact its likely to work against them
Seriously, this is becoming ridiculous
I don't see how the S-80 would offer any benefit over the current Collins-class. In fact, since the S-80 would be less able to integrate with US systems, and the Collins already operates the highly advanced AN/BYG-1 combat system (Same as US Subs), with highly capable sensors (with further upgrades planned), Mk 48 Mod 7 CBASS torps, etc. It's pretty much the meanest non-nuclear piece of kit in the water already, with SEA-1000 to be a further generation ahead of the Collins.
I'd like to ask the S-80 fanclub, why in the world would the RAN & ADF pay billions for a downgrade in capability, to a submarine that is not designed to even remotely meet the strategic requirements of Australia?? Last time I looked, the future potential threat scenarios that confront Australia are vastly different to those facing most European countries.
I'd like to ask the S-80 fanclub, why in the world would the RAN & ADF pay billions for a downgrade in capability, to a submarine that is not designed to even remotely meet the strategic requirements of Australia?? Last time I looked, the future potential threat scenarios that confront Australia are vastly different to those facing most European countries.
While I know we just discussed nuclear power and such (and to an extent conventionally powered Virginia's) above. I think even with the benefits, that there is no way in hell Australia is getting nuke subs. First we'd have to build up a nuclear industry (around 10 years), then the subs (more years and planning) and in the end is it really worth creating a whole new industry for it all?
And as for conventionally powered Virginia's unless they are being built here I don't think a 20 billion plus project should be spent on overseas production.
As for S-80, simply put.. too small. I think that sums it up.
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So it has a chance, as Governments tend to make decisions without talking to the navy...so id make this a short on favourite
aint that the truth.....as Governments tend to make decisions without talking to the navy...so id make this a short on favourite
under 30 yo EL2's with no life experience determining outcomes.....
time to pray to anything thats holy....
Mq-8b fire scout.
Or over 30's sold a good line!!
I'll just change the subject for a sec.
I've seen the EH 101 Merlin will be used for AEWC on RN carriers in the future.
Is Helo AEWC not needed for our LHD's? Or will we have the Wedge Tail giving AEWC for our LHD's?
While surfing the AEW sites I found an article regarding the MQ-8b where it
downloaded AESA radar and video feed simultaneously (recent).
mq-8b :: Defense Industry News Search
Could these be used in the future on LHD's or on the OCV's for AEWC?
Fire scout gets a mention in the DCP's.
Seems a handy piece of kit.
Likely?
Any one in the know?
Regards,
OZ
Or over 30's sold a good line!!
I'll just change the subject for a sec.
I've seen the EH 101 Merlin will be used for AEWC on RN carriers in the future.
Is Helo AEWC not needed for our LHD's? Or will we have the Wedge Tail giving AEWC for our LHD's?
While surfing the AEW sites I found an article regarding the MQ-8b where it
downloaded AESA radar and video feed simultaneously (recent).
mq-8b :: Defense Industry News Search
Could these be used in the future on LHD's or on the OCV's for AEWC?
Fire scout gets a mention in the DCP's.
Seems a handy piece of kit.
Likely?
Any one in the know?
Regards,
OZ
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considering they continually delay the Maritime UAV and push up the cost(in the hope of god knows) so the chance of firescout is remote to the point ive got money on an osprey over it...yep, i went that far.:relOr over 30's sold a good line!!
I'll just change the subject for a sec.
I've seen the EH 101 Merlin will be used for AEWC on RN carriers in the future.
Is Helo AEWC not needed for our LHD's? Or will we have the Wedge Tail giving AEWC for our LHD's?
While surfing the AEW sites I found an article regarding the MQ-8b where it
downloaded AESA radar and video feed simultaneously (recent).
mq-8b :: Defense Industry News Search
Could these be used in the future on LHD's or on the OCV's for AEWC?
Fire scout gets a mention in the DCP's.
Seems a handy piece of kit.
Likely?
Any one in the know?
Regards,
OZ
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