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[rand0m]

A few Q's;

1. From what information I've look at the Canberra Class LHD's will be the 3nd largest amphibious assault ship's currently in service (equal with the Spaniards) behind the WASP & Tarawa assault ships, this purely based on size. They will be larger than the Mistral (France), Dokdo (Republic of Korea), Hyūga (Japan), Ocean (United Kingdom) & even the Invincible (United Kingdom) & Chakri Naruebet (Thailand) aircraft carriers, can someone confirm this?

2. I recall (don't quote me) reading that there were issues with the Tiger ARH's operating off LHD's, is this correct? Can anyone elaborate?

3. Are we still looking at replacing HMAS Tobruk with a heavy roll on/off landing ship or has RFA Largs Bay filled this roll? If we are looking at another ship, what comparable ships & possible options are we looking at?

Again, please excuse my ignorance if the above is common knowledge.

 

[StobieWan]

Largs Bay

Comments ?

Navy's new $100 million ship labelled 'HMAS Lemon Scented' | Herald Sun

Did we just sell you a lemon or citrus related product or is this rubbish reporting?


EDIT : Sorry, just noticed there's another thread already covering this question, I'll get me coat!

Ian

 

[Bonza]

Comments ?

Navy's new $100 million ship labelled 'HMAS Lemon Scented' | Herald Sun

Did we just sell you a lemon or citrus related product or is this rubbish reporting?

Ian

This is just the latest in a long line of shoddy articles from Ian McPhedran. Based on previous form I wouldn't waste time even pretending to be interested in what he has to say - nor, for that matter, would I put much stock in anything the Herald Sun would be likely to publish. I don't know any specifics about the ship in question but both McPhedran and the Herald Sun should be approached with a boulder-sized grain of salt IMHO

 

[StobieWan]

This is just the latest in a long line of shoddy articles from Ian McPhedran. Based on previous form I wouldn't waste time even pretending to be interested in what he has to say - nor, for that matter, would I put much stock in anything the Herald Sun would be likely to publish. I don't know any specifics about the ship in question but both McPhedran and the Herald Sun should be approached with a boulder-sized grain of salt IMHO

Thanks - I'll file it under the Lewis Paige folder (Register, hates all RN projects, utterly biased)

Ian

 

[Abraham Gubler]

If so, yes it is floating around the place. (See what I did there?)

And Col. Hawkins's brief to Chief of Army's 2010 conference which has been attached to this thread and the other marine corps thread that dealt with ADF amphib issues. Is it just me or do some people wipe clean their knowledge base every few weeks? Why do we need to constantly restate these baseline facts to the same usual suspects?

 

[rand0m]

Thanks - I'll file it under the Lewis Paige folder (Register, hates all RN projects, utterly biased)

Ian

Ian McPhedran

Hypocrite, wouldn't bother with his biased, pessimistic articles.


There are two articles of his in regards to the purchase of 24 SH's, the first gives the ADF a kicking, the next is a flabbergasted back flip of an article after he had the pleasure of being flown in one.
(I've tried to post 2 articles in relevance to the above but can't as less than 10 post)

 

[StoresBasher]

This is just the latest in a long line of shoddy articles from Ian McPhedran. Based on previous form I wouldn't waste time even pretending to be interested in what he has to say - nor, for that matter, would I put much stock in anything the Herald Sun would be likely to publish. I don't know any specifics about the ship in question but both McPhedran and the Herald Sun should be approached with a boulder-sized grain of salt IMHO

Yup it's an absolute crock, but never let a 'good' story get in the way of the truth.
From what we have been told, part of the current refit, will be the change over of the propulsion system that was designed for cooler waters, to be made good for our warmer waters.

 

[aussienscale]

And Col. Hawkins's brief to Chief of Army's 2010 conference which has been attached to this thread and the other marine corps thread that dealt with ADF amphib issues. Is it just me or do some people wipe clean their knowledge base every few weeks? Why do we need to constantly restate these baseline facts to the same usual suspects?

Thanks Abe, beat me to it
As you said, IIRC we discussed this over 12 months ago ? I believe the first time we saw this particular slide show was after the Sea Power Conference in Jan 2010

 

[gf0012-aust]

Yup it's an absolute crock, but never let a 'good' story get in the way of the truth.
From what we have been told, part of the current refit, will be the change over of the propulsion system that was designed for cooler waters, to be made good for our warmer waters.

McPhedrans been pulled into line before from the boss about getting facts wrong - despite being briefed directly in some instances.

 

[Volkodav]

McPhedrans been pulled into line before from the boss about getting facts wrong - despite being briefed directly in some instances.

"HMAS Lemon Scented", what a tool. He made his name with the "Dud Subs" catch cry and is trying it on again. There a few current and ex-submariners I know who would like to do unmentionable to him.

The constant negativity that abounds these days is really starting to get on my nerves.

There is one ray of hope though, the government appears to be appointing competent and capable individuals to conduct reviews, the Rizzo reports seems pretty accurate and fair and I have heard some good things about Coles.

 

[Sea Toby]

I'll second that!

Not suited for hot weather? When it comes to HVAC systems capacity, contractors bid to specifications, not necessarily for over capacity specifications as they would lose the bid. Its not very often that anything is significantly over engineered with contracted bids...

I am sure any person who have added any additional rooms to any building have noticed they need to increase HVAC capacity. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the HVAC systems for the original specifications. Implying there is is bad journalism. Probably more HVAC capacity is needed for South Pacific specifications, but the present HVAC system capacity isn't a lemon...

Fortunately, increased HVAC capacity can be added without much trouble during a refit. Just another added expense. And I am sure those involved with the ship's acquisition were fully aware of this. Its not new news...

For example, most folks don't buy car engine heaters, most likely nobody in Australia, but they do in frigid Canada... There is nothing wrong with your car in many other locations, but you will need a car engine heater in frigid Canada during the winter...

 

[Volkodav]

Not suited for hot weather? When it comes to HVAC systems capacity, contractors bid to specifications, not necessarily for over capacity specifications as they would lose the bid. Its not very often that anything is significantly over engineered with contracted bids...

I am sure any person who have added any additional rooms to any building have noticed they need to increase HVAC capacity. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the HVAC systems for the original specifications. Implying there is is bad journalism. Probably more HVAC capacity is needed for South Pacific specifications, but the present HVAC system capacity isn't a lemon...

Fortunately, increased HVAC capacity can be added without much trouble during a refit. Just another added expense. And I am sure those involved with the ship's acquisition were fully aware of this. Its not new news...

The heart of the story is McPhedran is trying to come up with a new catch cry to match his "Dud Subs" effort. It has nothing to do with the capability or any issues there may be and everything to do with one mans ego.

 

[ADMk2]

And Col. Hawkins's brief to Chief of Army's 2010 conference which has been attached to this thread and the other marine corps thread that dealt with ADF amphib issues. Is it just me or do some people wipe clean their knowledge base every few weeks? Why do we need to constantly restate these baseline facts to the same usual suspects?

Don't know mate. I guess the flurry of news these days pushes old ideas out...

:roll2

 

[Kirkzzy]

It surprisingly isn't the Journos that piss me off... more so the comments. Seriously go have a read. The most horrible thing about the internet would have to be that idiots have been given a voice.

"Typical navy - more money wastage - just scrap the navy"

A lot of people don't even understand that the ship wasn't even made that long ago and is practically brand new...

 

[Sea Toby]

I wanted to add the most over engineered thing I have ever seen in my life was my first car, a used Volkswagen Beetle with an air cooled engine... And that is saying something, an over engineered Beetle... Believe it or not its first owner who sold that car to me was a Canadian, and the used Beetle had a worthless engine heater... LOL... Volkswagen couldn't sell any Beetles in Canada until they put a engine heater into that car, as the Canadians wouldn't buy any car without a engine heater... Try as they could through advertising, Volkswagen couldn't convince Canadians as they did northern Europeans the air cooled Beetle didn't need a engine heater...

With or without a engine heater, that Beetle was not a lemon...

 

[Sea Toby]

It surprisingly isn't the Journos that piss me off... more so the comments. Seriously go have a read. The most horrible thing about the internet would have to be that idiots have been given a voice.

"Typical navy - more money wastage - just scrap the navy"

A lot of people don't even understand that the ship wasn't even made that long ago and is practically brand new...

How do you expect folks to be well informed with any subject when the press hacks sensationalize every issue to sell papers, sorry rags? And the fourth estate wonders why their circulation numbers are dropping like an anvil...

 

[Ozzy Blizzard]

How do you expect folks to be well informed with any subject when the press hacks sensationalize every issue to sell papers, sorry rags? And the fourth estate wonders why their circulation numbers are dropping like an anvil...

The herald sun is notorious for poor reporting, its not a reputable newspaper. All crime, feel good and bag the government stories. The only issue is there isn't much good reporting out there to balance it.

 

[jack412]

Even though Defence is basically embargoed from the same funding restraints as other departments, the reality is that the Govt has competing priorities to pay for.

all the talk about a 3rd LHnn and a 4th AWD ignores the reality of this.

/speech off

sorry I wasnt clearer with the attemped joke, I meant the yank ship

 

[icelord]

tobruk is tobroken.....

as the govt is questioning the merit of sustaining a busted asset that basically is ready for the knackery - one would think that bare maintenance is the order of the day. 2 phattys and largs meet the needs.

its a houdini job from this point on.

HMAS Tobroken was originally scheduled to sail last week, anyone whos been past GI this week would have seen her covered in scaffolding, indicating how close that is. this seems to be a bad week to be a techo, a great few weeks to be a contractor wanting some overtime though, theres more then one ship in dire need of urgent repairs, wont say too much but duct tape is a holding a few engines together at the moment:lol3

 

[StingrayOZ]

I find it funny that people now complain that the aircon isn't powerful enough in warships.. Oh how terrible it would be if it was 25 instead of 21 degrees.

I can think of a couple of british ships we bought a few years back that didn't have any aircon at all, and tiny little spaces to sleep and eat on. You had hammocks stacked 3 or 4 high! HMAS Vampire is always an interesting experience, pictures of it with an open bridge with not even a shade cloth shows how far we have come.

Yes, dealing with the big issues. The papers completely miss the fact most of our current fleet is rustbuckets, and next to useless, and our new aquisition done in record time and price has a european specd aircon system.