Osama Bin Laden dead

Sampanviking

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your assuming that order came from top
Given that the current version of events is that the whole episode was being monitored live by the Commander in Chief, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defence and nearly every other senior brass hat in the US, that hardly seems a wild assumption to make.

there could have been many issues that could have popped up could have resulted in a bullet to the head. like reaching into one's clothes or reaching for a weapon or even someone confused and thinks he's doing one of either of those things or something else.
All of which could have easily have been dealt with, by the explicit Presidential order: "Your top priority, whatever the cost, is to take him alive".

Anyone heard any official Saudi reaction to the killing?
 

My2Cents

Active Member
ISI claimed they have raided the building in 2003, however it "slipped off our radar" after they fail to find anything.
According to satellite photos it was a vacant lot before 2004. :eek:nfloorl:

The Pakistani’s story veers between it was a Pakistan lead combined operation to “we KNOW nothing, we SEE nothing!” :hul

The Whitehouse story varies in myriad details including:
-- From a desperate gun battle to a quick assassination. :rolleyes:
-- From only OBL’s body being taken by US troops to 3, 4, or 5 bodies taken away, or even additional prisoners loaded on the helicopters. :fly
-- OBL grabbed his wife as a human shield and the commandos shot through and killed her. OBL’s wife attacks the US troops and is killed. OBL’s wife blocks the US troops and is shot in the foot. OBL’s wife is unharmed, but someone else’s wife attempted to shield OBL, in his bedroom! :nono

And these are just some of the inconsistencies in the stories from official sources, not anonymous ones! :pimp

I swear, by the time the 2 governments have consistent official stories (which will probably not agree on a single important detail, except maybe that OBL is dead) that none of us will believe anything they say. And maybe that is the plan. :rolling
 

Sea Toby

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For ten years everyone knew after 9-11 the US would attack ObL anywhere, even in Canada. Unfortunately,ObL didn't hide in Canada. The US would have attacked ObL, if necessary, in Australia or New Zealand. Anywhere. It wasn't a secret.

I wish ObL had hidden anywhere else, but sorry he didn't. ObL chose Pakistan, not the US. The US and Pakistan are friends and should remain so. Feathers were ruffled, but hopefully both nations will remain friends.

If the US had attacked ObL in Australia or New Zealand feathers would have been ruffled as well. On one hand we have friends that say we aren't doing enough in Libya, that is fight their wars, but on the other hand our friends don't want us doing operations in their nations and in the case of France not fly over their country.
 
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webmaster

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Musharraf on ObL:

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEYxJEWsCEA"]YouTube - President Pervez Musharraf on Osama Bin Laden and his death[/nomedia]


Where did ISI say they raided the compound in 2003? From the pictures, it doesn't look like the house is 6 years old and if you are most wanted terrorist, why would you be stationery at one place for 6 years?
 

webmaster

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Binbin, that is not an "OFFICIAL" picture and we've learned by now that its not a real picture. It was just made available on the internet by God knows who.

As far as rest of your comments are concerned, whether he is dead or not or whatever US did, we need to see some evidence... if no evidence, you are talking just like the government so no difference there. And thats not good, right?

As far as I am concerned, OBL is dead and history... good riddance.
 

webmaster

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That is not the point. Guardian showed that picture too, does that mean its real? Its official?

Only picture I would care to believe or comment on is the one OFFICIALLY released by the white house and/or DoD (which has NOT happened), rest is all crap and fuel for conspiracy theorists.
 

STURM

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On one hand we have friends that say we aren't doing enough in Libya, that is fight their wars, but on the other hand our friends don't want us doing operations in their nations and in the case of France not fly over their country.
I would think that quite a few countries would be uncomfortable and resent the idea of another country conducting ops on their soil without being informed [then again there are those here who are convinced that Pakistan was kept in the loop all along and only denied it for internal political reasons]. I doubt if the U.S. would like it if it were in a similiar position ;) .

The U.S. made a very smart move by handing over Libyan operations to the Europeans. Surprisingly or perhaps not, the same countries who were so eager to get into action to protect civillians in Libya are not so eager to do the same in Syria. I think Robert Fisk hit it right on when he said that the recents events in the Middle East have made AQ irrelevent and OBL a non-entity. Yes the people in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya wanted to overtrow their governments, as OBL preached, but they wanted or want a secular democratic government, which was not what OBL had in mind.
 

rabirizvi

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Here is an interesting article.



Osama bin Laden dead: Blackout during raid on bin Laden compound - Telegraph

ISI claimed they have raided the building in 2003, however it "slipped off our radar" after they fail to find anything.

It seems both countries are changing statements as often as I change my undies.
if there is no live footage of the raid, then what was that fomous pic showing obama n his whole cabinet watched with alot of tension visible on obama & clinton's face..
Truth be told.. "we will never know the truth ever"
 

furymonkey

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Where did ISI say they raided the compound in 2003? From the pictures, it doesn't look like the house is 6 years old and if you are most wanted terrorist, why would you be stationery at one place for 6 years?
Osama bin Laden dead: Blackout during raid on bin Laden compound - Telegraph

Lieutenant General Asad Durrani, former head of the ISI, Pakistan's intelligence service, said it was "inconceivable" that his government was unaware of the US raid on Osama bin Laden's compound.

He claimed his country was forced to deny any knowledge of the raid to avoid a domestic backlash. The ISI's official line has been that bin Laden's compound had "slipped off our radar" after it raided the building in 2003 while hunting for another senior al-Qaeda operative.The agency claims it was unaware that bin Laden was hiding there.
Taken from the link above.
 

vivtho

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Hi,

It is the begining of the end game----the leader, the driving / guiding force is dead---it is all downhill from now onwards.

The insurgency might flare up for a while----but in the end---it will just die down from here onwards---.
I wish ... unfortunately what I think will happen is that the hard-core members of Al Quaida will stay on till the end while the others will gradually drift away into other religious groups.

On a somewhat OT note .... one disappointing thing I see about the war on terror is that I am yet to see any government seeing it in terms of stark black or white ... or good guys v/s bad guys. It's not that I have any particular insight or knowledge into the matter, but from whatever I've observed about human nature, I think that it's more of various shades of grey. No doubt 80 or 90 percent of AQ members are hardcore fanatics, but what about the rest? Think back to any of the various cliques in school, there would always be a small number of core 'leaders', a somewhat larger number of 'henchmen' and a few hangers-on who joined because it was cool or they wanted to feel that they belonged. I suspect the same is the case with AQ where several basically decent people made a terrible decision and now have no way to back out of it. Nothing I've seen in the media shows any action by any government to reach out to such people who might have been able to become invaluable assets in the Intelligence War.
 

furymonkey

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if there is no live footage of the raid, then what was that fomous pic showing obama n his whole cabinet watched with alot of tension visible on obama & clinton's face..
Truth be told.. "we will never know the truth ever"
From what I gathered, the official line has always been that they are in the situation room watching the event unfold from the satellite feed. Earlier reports also suggested it was tense moment because they had to make sure the helicopters made it out the Pakistan airspace safely. I remember reading this before this whole what really happened inside the compound got into discussion.
 

webmaster

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Interesting, still it doesn't make sense.

Only major raid that ISI made in March 2003 was to capture Khalid Sheikh Mohamed which was in Rawalpindi. Is General Durrani mistaken and referring to raid on another building? If you raid a building, nothing is there, then a terrorist goes over and lives there and you don't recheck it for 7 years, that too doesn't make any sense. :confused::confused::confused:
 

furymonkey

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Yea I have no idea either. Either I read the article wrongly, Telegraph made a mistake, or Pakistan is making stuff up.

Nothing can be taken seriously at the moment when statement is changing every hour.
 

vivtho

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Not sure about Pakistan but here in India, if you rent out your premises to someone or employ some house helps, you have to inform the police with their details (photographs, copies of ID's). I have to admit it is not done everywhere, but around sensitive locations a database is always maintained . It may not be very thorough but a database exists. Of course nothing is fool proof, but they have managed to nab terrorists from around IMA a couple of times, so i guess it works.

Btw just saw an interview of OBL's neighbours kid, he said if their cricket ball landed in his courtyard, they were not allowed to take the ball, but were payed money instead if they started whining. By this criteria, half my neighborhood could be full of non paying OBL's :p: He also said OBL made up for it by gifting him a couple of bunnies :goodbad
In India, the moment any government agency (municipality, electricity board etc) notices anybody new in the area, a line starts forming trying to extort a bribe/baksheesh unless they've got orders from higher-ups not to do so. From what I know about the situation in Pakistan, I suspect it's not all that different which makes me wonder how OBL was able to stay undercover for so long.

BTW if my younger self was one of those neighbor kids, I'd be going up to OBL's gate every alternate day claiming to have lost the ball ... extra pocket money! :D
 

carlgoon

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Wow there are some stupid people in the world. Osama Bin Ladden an agent of the USA? Yeah and Hitler worked for the World Zionist Organization. Stalin was an agent of the Polish Government. Bambi a member of the NRA.

The thing about ObL being shot, armed or not, the conspiracy theorist are ignoring is that it is possibly physically impossible to get any armed American to point their firearm at him and not have the trigger being pulled. The conflicts in the American story come from having a bunch of senior figures watching via a single helmet camera and thinking they know what happened.
 

My2Cents

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Wow there are some stupid people in the world. Osama Bin Ladden an agent of the USA? Yeah and Hitler worked for the World Zionist Organization. Stalin was an agent of the Polish Government. Bambi a member of the NRA.
OBL worked with the USA during the USSR-Afghan War. Some people think that the intelligence agencies, and the CIA in particular, have some device that they use to zap the brains of anyone how ever worked for them so that they can never think for themselves again or turn on their masters.

Doesn’t exist. If it did the USA would never have had a problem with the Grand Ayatollah Sayyed Ruhollah Mostafavi Moosavi Khomeini. :laugh
 

STURM

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OBL worked with the USA during the USSR-Afghan War.
He did NOT work with the the U.S.A. This is a common misconception. His Arab volunteers and the 'Base' got all their funding from charities and rich inviduals in the Middle East, pacticularly Saudi and the Gulf States. The U.S.A. worked with Afghan groups led by people such as Abdul Haq, Hetmatyar and Haqqani.

Similiarly, because Iraq at a later stage in the war got U.S. satellite imagery on Iranian troop dispositions and many countries provided support to Iraq due to fears the mullahs would expend their revolution westwards, many still mention that Saddam was a CIA asset or that he worked with the U.S.A., which is not technically true.
 

T.C.P

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I read the compound was built with a millions od odllars in 2005, then how did the ISI raid a bulding that did not even exist, in 2003?
 

fretburner

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Some details of the raid: AP sources: Raiders knew mission a one-shot deal

...Aboard two Black Hawk helicopters were 23 SEALs, an interpreter and a tracking dog named Cairo. Nineteen SEALs would enter the compound, and three of them would find bin Laden, one official said, providing the exact numbers for the first time...

Can a blackhawk carry a dozen combat-equipped troops? I thought it can only carry 10?
 
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