Philippine Air Force Discussions and Updates

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T.C.P

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STURM said:
I think it would. If your opponents were drug lords with nothing more than 7.62mm rifles aircraft like the Tucano would be an ideal, cost effective solution. Then again, if you were facing rebels with 12.7mm/14.5.mm guns and MANPADS, I would rather be in something like the A-10 or the Frogfoot. Prop aircraft and jets each offer their own advantages, but at the end of the day it all depends on the end user's operational requirements, threat level and how much funds you have to spend.
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Since we are discussing the Phillipines where funds are limited, insurgents lack heavy anti air craft weapon and non western air craft are not favoured your options are cut short.;)

BTW has the US ever exported the A-10?

Light advacnce air craft could do the job as well, like the F-5, L-39.
The L-39 is pretty cheap to operate compared to rest of the advance trainers available.
 
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T.C.P

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STURM said:
There was no other A-10 operator apart from the USAF.
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I know that this is a bit off topic, but how come the US never exported the A-10 it is the perfect ground attack AC, its not a jet , has incredible armour and an extra ordinary service record.
You would think that American allies who face insurgencies would order this monster like Chille and Colombia.
But then again the A-10 is primarily anti Armour, I think......
 
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ManilaBoy

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ed famie

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yes they send an OV-10 and a high lander recon aircraft which are obsolete, but i admire the courage of the OV-10 pilot, inspite of obsolete aircraft they are ready to defend the territory of the phils.
 
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Feros Ferio

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ManilaBoy said:
Philippines sends warplanes near disputed islands - Yahoo! Philippines News
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Hey Manila Boy,

It may have been mentioned before but it would be awesome if you provided more than a link to an article. What is your take on this? Why do you want others to see it? Etc.... As it is, Defence Talk already offers a pretty good selection of news. The point of these Forums is to have some sort of conversation about different topics, this one included. So why have you brought this to our attention?
 
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reinhard5490

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ed famie said:
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yes they send an OV-10 and a high lander recon aircraft which are obsolete, but i admire the courage of the OV-10 pilot, inspite of obsolete aircraft they are ready to defend the territory of the phils.
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maybe its about time for Phillipines to considering buying new aircraft. Indonesia already purchasing Tucano.

well, you need arms to keep the peace
 
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ManilaBoy

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reinhard5490 said:
maybe its about time for Phillipines to considering buying new aircraft. Indonesia already purchasing Tucano.

well, you need arms to keep the peace
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YES, it's definitely time and long OVERDUE...Any foreign aircraft can intrude in our airspace and there is no fighter jets to scramble to intercept them and has probably happened many times already! Enforcement of authority over our territorial airspace is a MUST and that every sovereign nation currently does... :eek:hwell

Mod edit: All threads merged as they are basically the same topic, ie: Philippines' need for a fighter capability.

Regards,

AD


OK...
 
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Swampfox157

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I wonder if the A-10A offers lower operating costs than platforms like the F-16 or F-5. If it does, I would recommend the sale of a squadron (6-12) Warthogs to the PAF, based on how many airframes we have sitting in AMARC. Otherwise, there are also AH-1S, F-16A/B/C/D and F-4E airframes available. The Warthogs and Cobras would appear to be the smartest choice.
 
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SASWanabe

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Swampfox157 said:
I wonder if the A-10A offers lower operating costs than platforms like the F-16 or F-5. If it does, I would recommend the sale of a squadron (6-12) Warthogs to the PAF, based on how many airframes we have sitting in AMARC. Otherwise, there are also AH-1S, F-16A/B/C/D and F-4E airframes available. The Warthogs and Cobras would appear to be the smartest choice.
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with operating costs of ~$8,000 an hour, i think its not an option for the PAF, they would be far better off buying something like the BAE hawk.
 
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Swampfox157

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SASWanabe said:
with operating costs of ~$8,000 an hour, i think its not an option for the PAF, they would be far better off buying something like the BAE hawk.
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OK, I had no idea the A-10's operating costs were quite that high. Revise my advice to A/T-37s and maybe a handful of F-16s for air defense. Alternatively, two or three Patriot systems or a similar long-range SAM. I honestly have no idea how much money the PAF has available, so these are all just remote suggestions.
 
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T.C.P

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Swampfox157 said:
OK, I had no idea the A-10's operating costs were quite that high. Revise my advice to A/T-37s and maybe a handful of F-16s for air defense. Alternatively, two or three Patriot systems or a similar long-range SAM. I honestly have no idea how much money the PAF has available, so these are all just remote suggestions.
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I don't think that Philippines can get the Patriot and do they even need such a system, if you are talking about air defence than medium range will do for Philippines, the Buk-M2 would be suitable.
 
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STURM

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Swampfox157 said:
Alternatively, two or three Patriot systems or a similar long-range SAM.
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Given the PAF's present operational requirements and the fact that the Patriot will cost a bomb it will make much more sense to using to cash for buying new ground based radars or surplus, refurbished C-130's.
 
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Todjaeger

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STURM said:
Given the PAF's present operational requirements and the fact that the Patriot will cost a bomb it will make much more sense to using to cash for buying new ground based radars or surplus, refurbished C-130's.
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It really depends on the roles the PAF wants/needs filled. If memory serves, the S-211 is used by the PAF both for advanced jet training and ground attack/CAS missions. If that is where the PAF currently feels a 'need', then neither radars, SAM systems or transport will do.

Given the current state of the Philippines Army, Navy and Air Force, I can certainly understand them needing a whole range of equipment, but also being quite restricted in terms of what can purchased and operated.

With that in mind, something like ex-USAF/USN/USMC A-1 Skyraiders taken from AMARC and possibly given some moderization might be feasible. The moderizations I would consider 'reasonable' for the PAF would cover things like improvements to nav and comm systems, as well as some limited self-defence measures like flares and perhaps chaff.

This would provide a significant CAS and ground attack capability, yet should not have as high an operational cost as most jets do, being a very rugged piston-engined aircraft.

-Cheers
 
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STURM

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Granted the Philippines in the past faced a large scale counter insurgency threat but at present is there still a need for additional COIN aircraft to add to what currently is operated?

What should receive funding first - a small batch of MPA's fitted with with a surface search radar and a FLIR to patrol the country's territorial waters or a turboprop like the KT-1 that can be used as a basic trainer and a COIN platform or a jet LIFT that can also double up as a COIN aircraft and as a point interceptor - fitted with Sidewinders? As the Philippines Armed Forces has a lot of urgent requirements that need to be addessed and a severe funding shortage, I'm very curious to what the Philippinos here feel should be addressed first.
 
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ManilaBoy

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Someone should be held accountable for FAILING to properly maintained the Martin Baker ejection seats resulting in the unnecessary lost of 2 lives... :(


 
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