I agree with you on that. It would have been smart to join with Brazil, Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey, and Egypt to get help with tactical weapons. It will take Iran Air Force a long to make a aircraft from the drawing board into reality. It could have made a deal with the USSR in the 80's giving them a F-14 that broken apart and sent to USSR to get the knowledge on the F-14. The soviets were involved in some project for a new type of aircraft they were going to do but they canceled and gave it to Iran for this F-14. There is no evidence of this happening but it could have happen secretly. You have to give something to recieve something in the real world. Taking about this so called new aircraft the Iranian are working on.
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The problem for Iran in your scenario is they aren't really on good terms with anybody with a good aviation industry. You're not going to get a lot of help from Venezuela or North Korea. Brazil and Turkey are getting closer to Iran but neither is yet an independent jet fighter builder. Also I don't think those 2 countries would put everything at risk to build a jet fighter with Iran, they would lose quite a lot politically and economically.
Isn't there problems between Russia and Iran since the S-300 deal didnt go through. I'll see Ukraine helping Iran out more then Russia. Iran feel that Russia let them down. Don't see anything happening with Russia for a while.
Sorry if you got confuse I'm taking about the cockpit and air to air missiles on there fighters not building an aircraft.
I'd like to compliment on your improved english. It's gotten much better.
As to Iran-Russian relations, its always been spotty. After denying Iran the rest of the T-72 and BMP-2 deal, the Tor M1 deal still went through.
Not to metion the soviets shooting down a couple iranian CH-47s incident
Iran Airforce has fighters that mainly include MiG-29A's, and F-5 tigers, with a number of F-4 phantoms, F-7 chengdu's, and F1 Mirages. Iran does not have advanced technology to win a conventional war say with Saudi or any other gulf nations. However Iran has always been good in making things, like RPGs, machine guns, mortars. They have also made guided anti tank missiles and launched their own space satellite.
Are there no publicly available / public-domain data on iranian armed forces specifically their Air Force ? Other than airplane inventory, anyone got links for iranian air force capability including their concept of air dominance/superiority against enemy their size or against an overwhelming Air Force from countries like US / USSR ? How proficient their use of other air assets including AEW/C , Tankers , Jammers , Ground support ?
Since Strength is relative, lets narrow it down to a sample scenario :
- Can Iranian Air Force stop/prevent Israeli Air Force bombing their nuclear/weapons facilities ? Assuming IAF ran a limited campaign , air only no ground forces involved (with US's and Saudi's permission/blessing)
- do current Israel (IAF) got enough strength to strike Iran's nuclear/weapons facilities ? i assume IAF want to achieve air-dominance over iranian skies.
- Could Iranian Air Force counter attack Israel (projecting their force to Israel's airspace) ?
*All above assuming no other countries got involved for the 1st month of conflict..
Since Strength is relative, lets narrow it down to a sample scenario :
- Can Iranian Air Force stop/prevent Israeli Air Force bombing their nuclear/weapons facilities ? Assuming IAF ran a limited campaign , air only no ground forces involved (with US's and Saudi's permission/blessing)
- do current Israel (IAF) got enough strength to strike Iran's nuclear/weapons facilities ? i assume IAF want to achieve air-dominance over iranian skies.
- Could Iranian Air Force counter attack Israel (projecting their force to Israel's airspace) ?
*All above assuming no other countries got involved for the 1st month of conflict..
Todjaeger
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Unfortunately, the public domain data for a country like Iran's military is notoriously unreliable. The situation is much the same for other countries where the government has a strong control on the media like China (PRC) and North Korea. There is information out there, but it becomes a question of how accurate the information is. Has the government overstated or understated its capabilities? etc.
In terms of the proposed scenario... I would strongly suggest dropping the scenario, in part due to how much flaming a scenario which is essentially Israel vs. Iran can generate, but also because the scenario as given is so unrealistic. There is such a vast distance between the two countries, which at their closest points would still require overflight of two potentially hostile nations, that having other nations not get involved in the first month of conflict just would not happen.
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Thanks mate.
I too am a bit flabbergasted that all public info on iranian air force strength and capabilities are limited only to their inventory or propaganda/chest beating information taken from pro-iranian sources.
as for the scenario, i thought it is the most relevant and 'possible' although bombing iran is not like bombing iraq (nuclear reactor strike back then). Israeli Air Force will have a hard time flying strike to Iran considering the range and hostile countries between them, but if the Saudi discreetly approve Israeli's mission (a promise not to interfere or to intercept israeli planes over saudi's airspace) then the question is : Could IriAF stop IAF and Could IAF strike effectively at long distance (bomber+escort+tanker)
If US Airforce fight against Iran, it will be another overmatch.. not a kick to Iranian Air Force, but the current capabilities of United States air powers overwhelms any minor countries. Only the Russian have the tech and resource to fight US in the same ball game (and thats not factoring the current state of Russian Armed Force)..
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Though a bit outdated in today's context, the best work in English on the Iranian Air Force remains ''The Iran-Iraq Air War'' by Bishop and Cooper. This should be required reading for anyone intrested in military aviation as it has tonnes of detailed info on the air campaign and on the opposing air forces that is not available elsewhere. After reading the book, I developed a huge respect for the Iranian Air Force, given the immense limitations it faced in sourcing spares and replacements and worldwide support for Saddam. Some of the Iranian pilots who flew had just been release from jail for having been supporters of the Shah.
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The Iranian Air Force do need modern aircraft. I give credit to the Iranian Air Force for keeping U.S. made aircraft going for 3 decades. @sturm I read that book that why I have alot of respect for the IIRAF and the army. Can you name a country that had American made aircraft and kept them going for 3 decade without assistance is very good. The IIRAF does have problems the sanction hurt them bad. The IIRAF can not match up with the Israel Air Force. The IIRAF will put fighters in the air to fight them.
True its amazing they have manage to keep a lot of their U.S. made planes running. During the war what helped a lot was the large stockpile of parts that weren't accessible at first because they didn't have the codes. Plus, a lot of parts were later obtained from the black market. IMO what was amazing was that the Iranian Air Force, despite just having gone through a purge and later being faced with an Iraq that most of the world was supporting as they feared a victorious Iran might spread the revolution beyond its borders. The mullahs at first even talked about selling the F--14s! Of course factors in determining the Iranian performance in the air was having a large cadre of well trained crews, though some had left the country and some were in jail at the time of the Iraqi invasion, and also the incompetence of the Iraqis.
One of the intresting parts in the book is about the discovery that the RWRs on the Iraqi Mig-25s were far superior than the ones on the F-1s and the psychological effects the F-14s had on the Iraqis.
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Tango1992
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Iran have f-14 tomcats...old but still tomcats are air superiority fighters...
Iran is almost close to make own aim-54 phoenix..
it have land attack drones.
f-4,f1 mirages,f-7's and its also getting jf-17 thunders which are enough for it to defend its nuclear arsenals
Iran spend half budget on air defense that's why Iran have s-300 sams and many different sams as air defense...
i think they are enough and i don't think so that any wise air force will penetrate Irani airspace after knowing they still have enriched uranium...which if delivered....we all know the result then..
iran air force is still developing thats why they are getting capable thunders block-1:kar..lets see
Iran is almost close to make own aim-54 phoenix..
it have land attack drones.
f-4,f1 mirages,f-7's and its also getting jf-17 thunders which are enough for it to defend its nuclear arsenals
Iran spend half budget on air defense that's why Iran have s-300 sams and many different sams as air defense...
i think they are enough and i don't think so that any wise air force will penetrate Irani airspace after knowing they still have enriched uranium...which if delivered....we all know the result then..
iran air force is still developing thats why they are getting capable thunders block-1:kar..lets see
I would like to see the source and details.
Iran has made no deal for JF-17s so far & it does not have any nuclear arsenal.
For an enriched uranium to cause a desired effect it has to go through a necessary procedure, which Iran at the moment is not capable of carrying out.
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Iran modifies foreign military aircraft
Iran modifies foreign military aircraft
The local press reported that IRIAF - Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force - has these days started the main phase of a four stage air drill, running tests on the missiles and ammunition; the lieutenant commander Abdul-Rahim Mousavi today said that Iranian experts are proceeding with optimisation works on foreign fighter jets.
Iran modifies foreign military aircraft / XAIRFORCES NEWS
Iran modifies foreign military aircraft
The local press reported that IRIAF - Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force - has these days started the main phase of a four stage air drill, running tests on the missiles and ammunition; the lieutenant commander Abdul-Rahim Mousavi today said that Iranian experts are proceeding with optimisation works on foreign fighter jets.
Iran modifies foreign military aircraft / XAIRFORCES NEWS
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