and I paraphrase and support Marc 1's comments.
winnyfield
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ASLAV + TOW missile trials. Any ideas what became of it? Lack of armoured threats? TOW missile are pretty much obselete but a Javelin would be nice.
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Those ideas were part of the A21 (Army - 21st century) trials which occurred in the mid-lat 1990's.
The outcomes ended up being that a predominantly wheeled, light armoured force would be very vulnerable to IED and RPG/anti-tank missile threats likely to dominate future battlefields.
What a prediction eh?
Hence Army's move to a light mechanised based force centered on M1A1 Abrams, M113AS3/4 APC's and tracked, self-propelled guns for it's "high end" combat capability.
The ASLAV-AMS (armoured mortar system) was subsequently cancelled in 2004 and replaced by the M1A1 acquisition project.
We also acquired Javelin, though we don't have the vehicle mounted launching systems for them...
Story I heard re the 120mm AMS was that the government of the day was looking into acquiring ~22 such systems. When army heard this they decided that the money would be better spent in Land 17 on SPGs instead.
I have no link for that, just hearsay.
I've subsequently wondered what an (armoured) mobile, breech loaded 120mm mortar system would bring to the table for the ADF given the move to a 155mm arty backbone for the army, given the expense involved to even acquire 20 odd 120mm units.
Do you know if army is still interested in such?
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It is my recollection that the SPG's were already planned before the 120mm AMS project was cancelled, but it could be old age creeping in....
Army definitely doesn't seem too interested in such a capability, if they ever were. It seemed to me a WTF? moment when they were announced, because Army had decided against the A21 concept and the "vast" new fleets of ASLAV's that were going to be required never eventuated.
I always got the feeling it was a political "special" without any real interest from Army. Certainly it's replacement mortar project is only aimed at acquiring a new 81mm tube and ammunition capability...
Oh yes, I'm sure the SPGs were already planned, my point was that Army suspected that if the 120mm mortar project went ahead, funding for Land 17 might be decreased.
And since only 22 (or thereabouts) units were proposed, Army considered that way too few, to make up for any shortfall thus incurred for the upcoming Land 17 project.
Yes, the idea seemed to come out of nowhere. I'd wondered about that.
I do remember a site touting the system's (120mm AMS/ ASLAV) virtues, though I can't find it now.
A quick dig only found this
BAE SYSTEMS showcases firepower capability to meet Australia's future requiremen - BAE Systems.
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Word on the street the Germans are testing them and the Australian defence force have nothing to do with the tests,. the ADF have just spent a heap on the production of the new Hawkei which is due to roll in early 2011-2012. And the Boxer is much like our Bushmasters and with the succes from the in afgan and iraq there is no need to update them just yet.
Hope that helps
ADF have spent nothing on Hawkei. Its a vendor sponsored program with no project oversight or money from the Govt.
ie, its a commercial at risk program with no committment from ADF and DMO as its not funded in any streams.
if it is provide me a link and I'll go and double check and see who is paying for it - but I can't find anything at a sponsored govt funding level. (Minors? RPDE? CTD??)
they're doing it of their own volition. (ie its a commercial CTD)
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I would add, that the chances of new gear getting up in the current govt without any sponsor support is close to zero.
just had a quick look and can't see anything within anyones funding buckets to pay for it - and it hasn't gone through the proper processes anyway to get major monies allocated.
I suspect that whoever told you is confusing it with another country and another vehicle.
note, this vehicle has been submitted for LAND 121 Phase 4 - but its a submission like every other vendor in the prog. it has no priority over any other claimant and has not been assessed in the formal process (against the others).
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I would hazard a guess that along with 5 other countries, they are out there testing their gear. We lease the facilities to friendlies for various progs.
eg there are armoured vehicles, UAV's and missile tests conducted by various friendlies in that loc
the road runner
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Do these friendlies share Technical information with the ADF on what vehicles/uav/missile systems meet there requirements...
Or is it a user pays system?
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blueorchid
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The Boxer is nothing like the Bushmaster see the differences from Army Tech
Boxer Boxer MRAV / GTK / PWV - Wheeled Multirole Armoured Vehicle - Army Technology
Bushmaster Bushmaster Infantry Mobility Vehicle, Australia - Army Technology
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New portable missile system for Australian army | The Australian
"New portable missile system for Australian army
THE army has upgraded its anti-armour capability with the signing of contracts today for a new-generation portable missile system.
The $10.5 million contract with Sweden's Bofors Dynamics supplies the latest model M3 Carl Gustaf 84mm rockets and launchers, Defence Personnel, Materiel and Science Minister Greg Combet said.
''These new weapons provide an increased direct fire support capability and will be employed by the infantry, special forces and RAAF airfield defence guards," Mr Combet said.
``Soldiers will appreciate the weight savings afforded by the M3 Carl Gustaf anti-armour weapon,'' he said.
The anti-armour missile system is currently in use with several other armies including those of the US, Sweden, Austria, Canada and Germany.
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erk - missile system I'm not so sure, but then again, maybe I'm being pedantic. Use of the word missile, to my mind, implies some form of guidance inherent in the system.
That aside - does this mean that the previous versions of charlie gutsache are to be retired, or is this acqusition supplemental?
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"New portable missile system for Australian army
THE army has upgraded its anti-armour capability with the signing of contracts today for a new-generation portable missile system.
The $10.5 million contract with Sweden's Bofors Dynamics supplies the latest model M3 Carl Gustaf 84mm rockets and launchers, Defence Personnel, Materiel and Science Minister Greg Combet said.
''These new weapons provide an increased direct fire support capability and will be employed by the infantry, special forces and RAAF airfield defence guards," Mr Combet said.
``Soldiers will appreciate the weight savings afforded by the M3 Carl Gustaf anti-armour weapon,'' he said.
The anti-armour missile system is currently in use with several other armies including those of the US, Sweden, Austria, Canada and Germany.
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erk - missile system I'm not so sure, but then again, maybe I'm being pedantic. Use of the word missile, to my mind, implies some form of guidance inherent in the system.
That aside - does this mean that the previous versions of charlie gutsache are to be retired, or is this acqusition supplemental?
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Aussie Digger
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Supplemental. M3 variants of the Charlie G have been in-service for some time in parts of ADF (ADgies, specwarries and deployed elements)...
This is to round out the holdings and provide a new night/thermal sight I'd suggest...
Hang in there. I know how frustrating things can get. Stay focused on where you want to be and you will get there. It was a real mess in my case. I had my JOES day and initial interview and it then took almost 2 years to get to enlistment (in fact it will be 2.5 year process from the first contact to enlistment..). It was only my committment to my grand grandad's legecy in the Army that kept me focused (if he could charge the germans through heavy fog from the trenches then I sure as hell can muster up the patience to deal with DFR...)Ive also been informed that i should have had my interview in January which they put off and told me it would be in march now there not contacting me til march which.
Bare in mind my experience was with Navy not Army. I remember chatting to a coppa (Special Ops Group) at my joes day and we got on well and he was telling me he was told he would be 'fast tracked' into commando. I have no idea what 'fast tracked' meant but my experience is that the amount of time you wait varies wildly for all sorts of reasons.
You just have to sit tight, suck it up and never look back once you get in.
I hope you join and good luck!
Thanks for that, Im really looking forward to joining and excited about the training, I just want dates for my interview medical etc so i can orgainze my life, im sick of my current and only hanging in here until i know when im in. Ive got my heart set on it and research it every day. But thanks for the heads up, since my first contact its coming up to 8mths so its been a long time. I think the reason being they havent had an intake for telecommunications tech just yet and have been told it could be in the new financial year so fingers cross they call me in march, or ill call them.Hang in there. I know how frustrating things can get. Stay focused on where you want to be and you will get there. It was a real mess in my case. I had my JOES day and initial interview and it then took almost 2 years to get to enlistment (in fact it will be 2.5 year process from the first contact to enlistment..). It was only my committment to my grand grandad's legecy in the Army that kept me focused (if he could charge the germans through heavy fog from the trenches then I sure as hell can muster up the patience to deal with DFR...)
Bare in mind my experience was with Navy not Army. I remember chatting to a coppa (Special Ops Group) at my joes day and we got on well and he was telling me he was told he would be 'fast tracked' into commando. I have no idea what 'fast tracked' meant but my experience is that the amount of time you wait varies wildly for all sorts of reasons.
You just have to sit tight, suck it up and never look back once you get in.
I hope you join and good luck!
No worries mate. Sounds like you will hit the ground running when you come onboard.
word of advice, hassle them! nothing shits off recruiters more then a guy who constantly rings for updates, remember in the major cities these guys deal with over 50-100 people every month getting them into a job, if you keep asking, they will hurry up to get rid of you...
Didnt work for me....word of advice, hassle them! nothing shits off recruiters more then a guy who constantly rings for updates, remember in the major cities these guys deal with over 50-100 people every month getting them into a job, if you keep asking, they will hurry up to get rid of you...
Although I think the sub entry delays had more to do with training pipelines perhaps I dont know.
I remember getting specifically told not to call again for 2 weeks because they wouldnt have any more info. So I must be been giving them the complete s%^ts by that stage.
It took 12mths from failure for OSB to getting to Cerberus even though i told them the day after get me there now and ill go the long road up to the top. For 9mths i called who ever had been palmed my app, and lucky for me my cousin was a recruiter for army at DFR Newcastle, so he'd get updates for me as well, yeah still took forever.:frownDidnt work for me....
Although I think the sub entry delays had more to do with training pipelines perhaps I dont know.
I remember getting specifically told not to call again for 2 weeks because they wouldnt have any more info. So I must be been giving them the complete s%^ts by that stage.
And i doubt the training pipelines, they'd rather smash you through training, especially if techo, then put you in FSU West. you'll find the current DFR is a retarded system...O i have no love for them at all!