MiG News
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The news have been confirmed by The Hindu that I read today. According to the news, 4 MiG 29K's have been transferred to the Indian air force ppl in Russia. The Indian Pilots are currently training with these planes from Russian shore based Aircraft carrier training center. About 15 test flights are done daily, even during the winter season. The balance of the original order will be made in 2010.
I guess the news didn't make a lavish affair in the papers coz the military is trying to avoid bad press ( Goshkov) from resurfacing.
I guess the news didn't make a lavish affair in the papers coz the military is trying to avoid bad press ( Goshkov) from resurfacing.
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News
Thanks nevidimka
At least some news is good news but its disappointing that it's going to take another 10 months to finish the balance? I hope MIG delivers the balance early that would be good thing because this order was placed in 2004.
On the bright side maybe India will release some information on the four there training on and some good will come out of this.
What a wasted chance to have these four K model Fulcrums in India for all to see before any major decisions were made on the bid. The press could be used in a situation to promote as well but this just keeps fueling the dark side. Sadly this is just another mistake in a long line of mistakes by MIG management. How many feet do they left to shoot?
Thanks nevidimka
At least some news is good news but its disappointing that it's going to take another 10 months to finish the balance? I hope MIG delivers the balance early that would be good thing because this order was placed in 2004.
On the bright side maybe India will release some information on the four there training on and some good will come out of this.
What a wasted chance to have these four K model Fulcrums in India for all to see before any major decisions were made on the bid. The press could be used in a situation to promote as well but this just keeps fueling the dark side. Sadly this is just another mistake in a long line of mistakes by MIG management. How many feet do they left to shoot?
There was something unrelated, but interesting info that I left out from the news. The article said :
"The 16 aircraft are also being upgraded from purely medium multirole combat fighters to into dedicated, network-centric information warfare platform that possess force-multiplier capabilities such as airborne early warning & control as well as offensive electronic jamming."
I'm not sure whether this is credible, or some journalist who doesn't know the military terms and got it mixed up.
Also I don't understand your obsession with the MiG delivery, I certainly am not. This is a new plane that was designed to meet Indian Navy requirement's and a delay would be explainable, plus due to Goshkov being delayed, the planes will not lose out on its usability to the Indian navy. I wonder if you have some sinister intentions of putting a huge emphasis on this delay.
After all the European A 400 itself is facing delay's, from such a modern, rich western facility.
"The 16 aircraft are also being upgraded from purely medium multirole combat fighters to into dedicated, network-centric information warfare platform that possess force-multiplier capabilities such as airborne early warning & control as well as offensive electronic jamming."
I'm not sure whether this is credible, or some journalist who doesn't know the military terms and got it mixed up.
Also I don't understand your obsession with the MiG delivery, I certainly am not. This is a new plane that was designed to meet Indian Navy requirement's and a delay would be explainable, plus due to Goshkov being delayed, the planes will not lose out on its usability to the Indian navy. I wonder if you have some sinister intentions of putting a huge emphasis on this delay.
After all the European A 400 itself is facing delay's, from such a modern, rich western facility.
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Delays
Hi nevidimka
I guess you might call it an obsession I'm just mad that it's taking so long. Almost any other fighter producer/maker could have made 100 fighters in this time and got it right. I have no other sinister intentions either I'm just tried of waiting for something I want to see take to the skies that all. There not inventing the wheel here right? Imagine your waiting see a great a new movie or a new car or just something you want to see really bad and it goes from the normal 2 or 3 years to five plus? Wouldn't you start blaming the director or the producer or car maker at a certain point? Well I'm just past that point for about a year plus now that's all nothing more nothing less.
Hi nevidimka
I guess you might call it an obsession I'm just mad that it's taking so long. Almost any other fighter producer/maker could have made 100 fighters in this time and got it right. I have no other sinister intentions either I'm just tried of waiting for something I want to see take to the skies that all. There not inventing the wheel here right? Imagine your waiting see a great a new movie or a new car or just something you want to see really bad and it goes from the normal 2 or 3 years to five plus? Wouldn't you start blaming the director or the producer or car maker at a certain point? Well I'm just past that point for about a year plus now that's all nothing more nothing less.
And what for they need them before Gorshkov?? may be Indians themselves want to get these jets somewhen near getting gorshkov and may be even with some new avionics or something else.
They have 4 planes but they haven't training base at home but they have it in Russia. So there is no need in fulfilling the contract before getting Groshkov
They have 4 planes but they haven't training base at home but they have it in Russia. So there is no need in fulfilling the contract before getting Groshkov
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Needs
You can't just throw any Fulcrum pilots in these aircraft India going to used the group sent to the US for carrier training. The training was on US style of carriers and assume Hornets/trainers, time is needed to convert, 4 non delivered Fulcrums isn't going to cut it.
Maintenance alone is a huge task there are differences in the engine, radar, and weapons system compared to current India Fulcrums, all take time to learn and train trainers for the future.
Besides Russia taking too long to deliver the aircraft India really needs to get things going on their end as well it's not just a "Russian hold up" issue anymore at this point. To me I see this as a huge undertaking for India's Navy to take on and set up as well.
They have a squadron of pilots or more that need to be trained not to mention the maintenance personnel. All of this could be done before the carrier is delivered and most could be done at other bases until the new base is ready.
You can't just throw any Fulcrum pilots in these aircraft India going to used the group sent to the US for carrier training. The training was on US style of carriers and assume Hornets/trainers, time is needed to convert, 4 non delivered Fulcrums isn't going to cut it.
Maintenance alone is a huge task there are differences in the engine, radar, and weapons system compared to current India Fulcrums, all take time to learn and train trainers for the future.
Besides Russia taking too long to deliver the aircraft India really needs to get things going on their end as well it's not just a "Russian hold up" issue anymore at this point. To me I see this as a huge undertaking for India's Navy to take on and set up as well.
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Mikoyan 1.44 Project
Do guys here know about the Mikoyan 1.44 Project??that design is sidelined in favor of the sukhoi corporation design for the FGFA..But i hear that after india and russia jointly producing the fifth generation fighter they will consider the mi 1.44 design...may be after 2015...do guys here have any updates on that?
Do guys here know about the Mikoyan 1.44 Project??that design is sidelined in favor of the sukhoi corporation design for the FGFA..But i hear that after india and russia jointly producing the fifth generation fighter they will consider the mi 1.44 design...may be after 2015...do guys here have any updates on that?
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Training
Hi SkolZkiy
Yes I can read, so what happening when your training class is done in the classroom portion, so they move onto flight tests part. You have your pilots young and hungry waiting to get some stick time, class could be 15 to 30 pilots.
What do you do now? I know you tell them to line up behind the 4 Fulcrums and take turns? Hope it's not too cold and the lines move fast. What happens when one or more of the famous four go down for service, repair, check up, normal stuff they are new. Oh I know the the lines get a little longer, see my point? Lets face it MIG's flopping on this right on the heels of the return SMT models
Hope you have a sense of humor.
SkolZkiy how can you really defend such slow workmanship. How the hell do you only make four operational aircraft in five years and your in the aircraft making business? MIG isn't making the aircraft carrier or India might be really in trouble then but the two aren't connected or at least its not covered that way from any press that I read from MIG and Russia's naval yards.
Just frustrated that all.
Hi SkolZkiy
Yes I can read, so what happening when your training class is done in the classroom portion, so they move onto flight tests part. You have your pilots young and hungry waiting to get some stick time, class could be 15 to 30 pilots.
What do you do now? I know you tell them to line up behind the 4 Fulcrums and take turns? Hope it's not too cold and the lines move fast. What happens when one or more of the famous four go down for service, repair, check up, normal stuff they are new. Oh I know the the lines get a little longer, see my point? Lets face it MIG's flopping on this right on the heels of the return SMT models
Hope you have a sense of humor.
SkolZkiy how can you really defend such slow workmanship. How the hell do you only make four operational aircraft in five years and your in the aircraft making business? MIG isn't making the aircraft carrier or India might be really in trouble then but the two aren't connected or at least its not covered that way from any press that I read from MIG and Russia's naval yards.
Just frustrated that all.
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I read that Mikoyan project 1.44 and the sukhoi's project were in competition for FGFA...Sukhoi was selected because of its cost efficiency....
Also it is a well known fact that chinese buy russian planes reverse engineer it and give it thier own name as if they have developed it....
Haavarla
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I have not seen any source on this, could you pls provide us the link?
When the 90's came and the breakup of Soviet, the funding for the New fighter stopped completly. Both Sukhio(Su-47) and Mig(1.44) had to cancel their programs.
In 2002 Russia started a new 5-generation prosject where Sukhio, Mig and Yak i believe where all selected to develop the PAK-FA.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Project_1.44
It states as follows
In 2001 india agreed with russia to make the PAK-FA program...Both MiG and Sukhoi submitted concepts to the Defense ministry.MiG submitted an updated version of Project 1.44 but the russian defense ministry selected Sukhoi..
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Production
Hi Feanor
Moving on
I saw a article the other day about Yemen may buy more SMT Fulcrums and/or possible Mig-35s. The article quoted that Yemen had 44 SMT Fulcrum, I had no idea such a large order was place and filled? I thought the failed Algeria order was the largest for 36 was the largest to date. I though Yemen's SMT order was on the scale of a squadron size. I'm still very interest in reading anything at all about the Yemen's SMT Fulcrums or basic Fulcrums they have.
Any new about Peru's Fulcrum being upgraded?
Thanks
Are Russia's Fulcrums still grounded the news/press covering that seems to grown cold?
Hi Feanor
That's a fair question but the contract was signed in 2004. Now did MIG say well lets first hired personnel, then build the production line, and then make the aircraft? One would think it didn't go down like that but such is life nothing I can do about it. Again just frustrated.
Moving on
I saw a article the other day about Yemen may buy more SMT Fulcrums and/or possible Mig-35s. The article quoted that Yemen had 44 SMT Fulcrum, I had no idea such a large order was place and filled? I thought the failed Algeria order was the largest for 36 was the largest to date. I though Yemen's SMT order was on the scale of a squadron size. I'm still very interest in reading anything at all about the Yemen's SMT Fulcrums or basic Fulcrums they have.
Any new about Peru's Fulcrum being upgraded?
Thanks
Are Russia's Fulcrums still grounded the news/press covering that seems to grown cold?
Yemen will by USED RuAF MiG-29 (updated of cause) and some other weapons.
About MiG-29K - they recieved 4 planes now and they will recieve this AC by portions. If the deal is not dasbanded then I think IAF agree with this =) If they agree then they have reasons - so what's the problem?? I explained MY OPINION on this situation, I have only open info and my brains and I think that my explanation is enough truthful =)
Also Yemen president said that they have no money right now to buy MiG-35 but if they have money they will by them =))
MiG is developing it's own project of 5th gen Fighter - so called LFI (ЛФИ) - Light Front Fighter, this is INITIAL of MiG itself.
About MiG-29K - they recieved 4 planes now and they will recieve this AC by portions. If the deal is not dasbanded then I think IAF agree with this =) If they agree then they have reasons - so what's the problem?? I explained MY OPINION on this situation, I have only open info and my brains and I think that my explanation is enough truthful =)
Also Yemen president said that they have no money right now to buy MiG-35 but if they have money they will by them =))
MiG is developing it's own project of 5th gen Fighter - so called LFI (ЛФИ) - Light Front Fighter, this is INITIAL of MiG itself.
Haavarla
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Ok, but as Wiki says:
"The MiG 1.44 has been shrouded in mystery throughout the course of its existence. The Russian government cancelled the MFI program in 1997 due to the unacceptably high per-unit cost of the aircraft (Ф2.05 billion RUR, US$70 million).
Development continued, with the first test flight taking place on February 29, 2000 and two confirmed test flights in 2001. After the cancellation of the MFI program the PAK FA (Перспективный Авиационный Комплекс Фронтовой Авиации - Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi - Prospective Air Complex for Tactical Air Forces) program was initiated in order to develop an aircraft designed to fill a role similar to that of the F-22, and come at a size and cost similar to that of the F-35 Lightning II."
Another thing i have a little troubble with is this AL-41F engine used on the Mig-1.44...
Wiki:
"Originally developed for the Mikoyan Project 1.44, the engine was built around the geometry of the AL-31F, making it compatible with existing airframes, including the Sukhoi Su-27 series. The engine is reported to have recently entered low rate initial production for use in the Su-34 Fullback."
I was not aware that the newly develop AL-41F Engine core had had flight trials yet, let alone used in this Mig demonstrator back in 2001??