MiG News

[ROCK45]

Weight

In theory they should save a little weight on the engines/radar but little is known but the problem is still in the base material used in making the aircraft, western designs in general do better in this area. Russia has PR releases claim that the D-33MK is almost smoke free and has a longer time between overhauls but again since it's not fielded in numbers nobody really knows.

The radar in the painted on Mig-35 really a Mig29M falls sadly into the same category since its not really finished and I think needs a export customer to go into real production. So much of the Mig-35 future is based on the Indian bid so it's hard to tell what's really coming down the pipe. But we can hope.

This could change in a heartbeat if Russia's own AF bought into any of the upgrade programs or directly into the Mig-35 program. Sadly chances are slim and the Mig-29 is basically an export fighter now.

 

[nevidimka]

ROCK45, I think you have some wrong ideas. Whatever fighter which are upgraded, be it Russian or western, will always end up heavier, regardless of the numerous weight saving composites info floating around. The addition of new capabilities, hardware, engines or radar always end up increasing its weight. Just look at the latest F 16,F15 etc.

and regarding the RD 33MK, it is smoke free, look at some videos, plus it is now does have a longer TBO of 4000 hours.

 

[Feanor]

The Sokol plant will be the site of MiG-35 assembly according to UAC representatives.
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=64284&cid=24

I'm curious as to a few things. They haven't a contract for it's production but are already setting up a production chain? MiG Corp. is not part of the UAC at this point, but UAC representatives are in a position to make such statements and apparently participate in the decision making process? It says that a contract for Sokol's participation in the aircraft production will be signed in 2009. Either they know something we don't about future order for the MiG-35, or they're running on pure enthusiasm.

 

[Haavarla]

The Sokol plant will be the site of MiG-35 assembly according to UAC representatives.
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=64284&cid=24

I'm curious as to a few things. They haven't a contract for it's production but are already setting up a production chain? MiG Corp. is not part of the UAC at this point, but UAC representatives are in a position to make such statements and apparently participate in the decision making process? It says that a contract for Sokol's participation in the aircraft production will be signed in 2009. Either they know something we don't about future order for the MiG-35, or they're running on pure enthusiasm.

Interesting.

I was thinking more in term of the workforce in Mig Corp.
I beleved maybe the UAC had deceided to shift more personel over to the KNAAPO/NAPO or perhaps IRKUTSK plant.
And in the future produce some new Mig variants there.. ah well.

 

[Haavarla]

ROCK45, I think you have some wrong ideas. Whatever fighter which are upgraded, be it Russian or western, will always end up heavier, regardless of the numerous weight saving composites info floating around. The addition of new capabilities, hardware, engines or radar always end up increasing its weight. Just look at the latest F 16,F15 etc.

and regarding the RD 33MK, it is smoke free, look at some videos, plus it is now does have a longer TBO of 4000 hours.

Agreed.
In most cases, upgrades of a Fighter mean they increase the internal fuel volum too.
Thereby increase the total weight.


Yeah, the same goes for the Article S-117 engine. In the youtube clips, Smoke-free and longer TBO.

 

[ROCK45]

Upgrades

Hey guys I agree upgrades increase weight but what I'm saying is Russian aircraft seem to carry less of a payload compared to western types. In some cases the engines produce less thrust but mainly it's the weight of the aircraft itself. Weight saving composites can save a lot imagine a Fulcrum a ton and half less with the seem engines? Or the huge Flanker dropping two tons but keeping everything else intact? I think using composite material goes a long way and I think Russia aircraft industry as a whole could do a little better in this field.

The Mig-35 news is interesting maybe something is in the works.

 

[ROCK45]

Mig-35 Falcon?

Does this mean the MIG changing the Fulcrum's name to Falcon for the Mig-35 design coming out in 2009? I found this article and I'm a little confused by it I wish more information was given. I'm a little thrown off by the mentioning of a car near the bottom of the article.

Called "Falcon" will be the base platform for the production of fighter aircraft MiG-35
Nizhny Novgorod, on 19 December. (ИТАР-ТАСС). (ITAR-TASS). Нижегородский авиазавод "Сокол" станет базовой площадкой для производства истребителей МиГ-35. Nizhny Novgorod aviation "Falcon" will be the base platform for the production of MiG-35 fighter jets. сообщил президент Объединенной авиастроительной корпорации (ОАК) Алексей Федоров. said President of the United Aircraft Corporation (KLA), Alexey Fedorov.

"Мы рассматриваем сейчас производство истребителей МиГ-35 и в качестве базовой площадки для его производства определен авиазавод "Сокол", - отметил Федоров. Он уточнил, что "это решение практически состоявшееся". "We see now the production of MiG-35 fighters and as the basic platform for its production set aviation Sokol - Fedorov said. He said that" this decision virtually held ".

По словам Федорова, в настоящее время определяется объем кооперации с другими предприятиями, занятыми на производстве этого истребителя, однако, как отметил Федоров, "главным в этой цепочке будет "Сокол". Федоров не уточнил, когда начнется производство новой машины, однако в дирекции авиазавода "Сокол" сообщили, что контракт авиазавода на участие в производстве этого самолета будет подписан в 2009 году. According to Fedorov, now defines the level of cooperation with other enterprises engaged in production of the fighter, but, as noted by Fedorov, "mainly in the chain would be" Falcon ". Fedorov did not specify when production will begin a new car, but in the administration of the aviation Sokol said that the aviation contract for the production of this aircraft will be signed in 2009.

Link
http://74.125.93.104/translate_c?hl...cid=24&usg=ALkJrhiipXM38N3kjh2xW4tpcpp9_ZWzXQ

 

[ROCK45]

translated

I miss understood the translation MIG isn't changing the Fulcrums name.

 

[nevidimka]

I think falcon is the name of the factory or aviation complex where they are gonna build these planes?

Plus Russia cant give those names for the planes as they wish. these naming schemes are devised by NATO, and is not a creation of Russia. The MiG 35 will remain Fulcrum.

 

[Feanor]

Yes. Falcon is in Russian Sokol, the name of the factory.

 

[Salty Dog]

Plus Russia cant give those names for the planes as they wish. these naming schemes are devised by NATO, and is not a creation of Russia. The MiG 35 will remain Fulcrum.

Just to complement what you've stated, the NATO codenames are usually given during the development phase. I'm sure there are also the given Russian names, but the NATO codenames have stuck as that's how these aircraft came to be known in the West.

To be exact, the Mig-35 is known as the "Fulcrum-F"

 

[RAAFmate]

Are MiG totally out of the running now to produce a 5th generation fighter or has all of the development and contracts gone to Sukhoi?

 

[Feanor]

Are MiG totally out of the running now to produce a 5th generation fighter or has all of the development and contracts gone to Sukhoi?

Probably the 10-20th time I've posted it here. 70% of the development is to be done by Sukhoi, 15% by MiG and 15% by Yakovlev.

 

[Bang-Bang]

India to buy 126 MIG-35 Fulcrum ?????????????

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070917/79030342.html

i didnt get anyother article ........

if this is a old news then SORRY .

 

[dragonfire]

I think using composite material goes a long way and I think Russia aircraft industry as a whole could do a little better in this field.

LIght wieght but sturdy composites and other allied material go a long way in bringing down an aircrafts total wieght, India has made giant strides in this area. the LCA is the worlds lightest aircraft. The Su-31MKI series which will be produced under licence by HAL will start featuring these composite material in the MK II and MK III varaints. Similarly a MIG-35 if it wins the MMRCA tender might feature in the later variants (if any) composite material in the air frame, maybe even avioncs - who knows :unknown

 

[ASFC]

India to buy 126 MIG-35 Fulcrum ?????????????

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070917/79030342.html

i didnt get anyother article ........

if this is a old news then SORRY .

Old news yes, I am just not as sure as that article is that the Indians will buy MiGs given some of the other aircraft available in the competition. I suppose only time will tell......

 

[ROCK45]

Mig-29k price increase

I'm looking for a information on Russia Mig-29k sale to India. A friend pointed out that there's increase on the price to $75 mil per aircraft but can't find a link to prove it or back it up. Thanks

 

[macman]

The reported price hike seems to be garbage...

MiG29k deliveries to begin next year: Russian official

New Delhi, Sept 29: Russia will start next year the delivery of MiG-29k fighter jets for the aircraft carrier Admiral Goroshkov which India is in the process of acquiring from Moscow....


Fedorov rubbished reports that Russia has hiked the price of the MiG-29k aircraft it has offered to India.

"MiG-29k price has not undergone any change," he said.

Price for the contract per plane is around the $46 million mark - $32 million per plane aquisition, rest for support/training...

Wouldn't of been surprised at a slight increase due to inflation as the contract was signed in 2005, but it seems to be the same.

You can get a lot of details on the setup for the Mig-29K's at:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/MiG-29K.html

Lot's of extra's, with French & Israeli systems added...
Sounds like a great aircraft for the price.

Had heard they were in talks for a new radar - BARS-29(?) - which would add to costs, but apparently that's for the second batch...

 

[ROCK45]

Price

Thanks macman
I checked a few places myself once I had time and didn't come up with a single hit.

Thanks for the link they make sound so good I hope MIG makes it. The lack of movement on current deliveries and the weak PR & future sales orders makes me wonder.

 

[Feanor]

And apparently the contract for the ex-Algerian Fulcrums has been signed by our MoD.

http://newsru.com/russia/12jan2009/migi.html

The source is unofficial, but both Lenta.ru and newsru.com ran the story.

http://lenta.ru/news/2009/01/12/fighters/
http://newsru.com/russia/12jan2009/migi.html

Basically they claim the contract has been signed, and the first payment has already been made, for the 28 MiG-29SMT. A second contract for the 6 MiG-29UB is to be followed.

EDIT: And it looks like the MiG-29K price hike options turned out to be true. The price hike only applies to the 29 Fulcrums bought under option, not the original batch, and is expected to be around 60%. The article also talks about the 29 aircraft under option as if the decision to purchase them has not yet been made definitively.

http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=64854&cid=25