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macman

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Found something on the $75 million price tag for the Mig-29K's, so it seems like you were right Rock, but it is not for the current batch.

Current batch is on the agreed upon price, but the Russian side is talking about an increase up to the $75 million price tag for improvements since the original contract.

The Indian's are agreeing that it has improved, but are saying the improved version is only worth a 15% price hike for additional orders.


Also, while this source is from the respectable Arms-Tass, they got it from Pakistanidefence.com, who just might have some ulterior motives in their reporting, so take it with a grain of salt...


Russia has proposed to increase the value of MiG-29K fighter jets to India, procured on option

МОСКВА, 12 января. MOSCOW, January 12. (АРМС-ТАСС). (ARMS-TASS). The Russian side, which a few years ago, India offered to sell additional deck multipurpose MiG-29K (a writer) at a cost of 46 million dollars per unit, now intends to increase the price by nearly 60%, the resource Pakistanidefence.com.

Indian Navy signed a contract to supply 16 MiG-29 (12 single deck MiG-29K and 4 two MiG-29KUB) worth some 740 million dollars in 2004. The agreement provided for the acquisition of simulators, including flight, land and sea training system for training pilots and technicians. The contract contained an option for an additional supply by 2015 from 12 to 30 fighter planes for the same price.

The first batch of MiG-29K should be based on the aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya. Originally, that the carrier will enter the battle of the Indian Navy by August 2008, but due to various problems of the term was extended to 2012.

As scheduled, the delivery of the first 12 planes will be implemented from the beginning of 2009 batches of four aircraft. All ordered fighter must be transferred to the customer by the autumn of this year. Education of Indian pilots on MiG-29K in Russia has already begun.

Currently, Indian Navy are considering the purchase of 29 new MiG-29K aircraft carrier for the national, construction of which started in the state shipyards' Cochin shipyard. The reason for the purchase is behind schedule the program to develop versions of the deck light combat aircraft "Tedzhas, as well as difficulties with the modernization of outdated aircraft Sea Harrier.

According to the source in the Indian Ministry of Defense, in the course of negotiations in December, the Russian side had put forward the requirement to increase the value of aircraft to 75 million dollars per unit. According to the Russian side since the conclusion of the first agreement MiG-29K has been significantly improved, including the installation of modern equipment and container of self-defense.

Formal discussions on the details of the purchase of the aircraft has not yet taken place. According to unofficial reports, the Indian side is ready to raise the cost of the aircraft, but expects that it will increase by no more than 15%.

Indian Navy plans to establish a total of three squadrons of MiG-decked 29K. To do this in the future to bring the total number purchased MiG-29K and 50 units.
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=64854&cid=25
 

ROCK45

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Basic MIG news

I thought this was released already but the date says 1-12-09 so I figure I'll post it. Maybe with some new management MIG might survive but I still think Russia themselves and/or India are going to have place orders. This Mr. Mikhail Pogosyan seems to wear a lot of different hats.

Are there any possible orders out there besides the Peruvian "maybe upgrade order"?

Sukhoi Chief To Assume Leadership of MiG
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3897469&c=AIR&s=TOP
 

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The Peruvian upgrade order is a definite at least from the way the arms-tass article talked about it. Other then that, as I already mentioned, it seems like the Algerian SMTs are being bought by our MoD after all. It's nice. At least we will finally be able to re-arm a regiment of those ancient MiG-29B.
 

lalitghag

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Mikoyan Project 1.44

The Mikoyan Project 1.44/1.42[1] is a 5th generation jet technology demonstrator developed by the Mikoyan Design Bureau. Apart from a number of names along the lines of "Object/Project 1.44/1.42", the aircraft is also known as the MiG-MFI. Unofficially known for a time as "MiG-35", MiG is now using this designation for an advanced Mikoyan MiG-29. Despite the non-production status of the 1.44/1.42, NATO has assigned the reporting name "Flatpack" to this aircraft.
Development

The 1.44 was Mikoyan-Gurevich design bureau's entry to Russia's Многофункциональный Фронтовой Истребитель (Mnogofounksionalni Frontovoi Istrebitel - Multifunctional Frontline Fighter) program (a development program that originated in the 1980s, similar to the Advanced Tactical Fighter program held in the United States). It was designed to compete with the American Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. Many of its design features are similar to those found on fifth generation Western fighters, including supersonic cruise and modern avionics. Looking back upon its development history, the 1.44 served purely as a technological showcase and testbed for future aircraft designs, not as an actual air superiority fighter prototype.

The MiG 1.44 has been shrouded in mystery throughout the course of its existence. The Russian government cancelled the MFI program in 1997 due to the unacceptably high per-unit cost of the aircraft (Ф2.05 billion RUR, US$70 million). Development continued, with the first test flight taking place on February 29, 2000 and two confirmed test flights in 2001. After the cancellation of the MFI program the PAK FA (Перспективный Авиационный Комплекс Фронтовой Авиации - Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi - Prospective Air Complex for Tactical Air Forces) program was initiated in order to develop an aircraft designed to fill a role similar to that of the F-22, and come at a size and cost similar to that of the F-35 Lightning II.

In 2001, India agreed with Russia to make the PAK FA program a development/production joint-venture between the two nations. Both Mikoyan-Gurevich and Sukhoi submitted concepts to the Defense Ministry for the PAK FA program (MiG entering an updated Project 1.44), but the Russian Defense Ministry selected the Sukhoi Design Bureau as the primary contractor for the PAK FA fighter. Design work has commenced on a backward-swept winged derivative of Sukhoi's experimental Su-47 Berkut aircraft. PAK FA proves to be a very ambitious program, with production of the PAK FA fighter planned to commence in 2010. MiG-MAPO and Yakovlev have also been mentioned as secondary contractors. The MiG 1.44 formerly served as a technology demonstrator for the PAK FA program. The in-development PAK FA aircraft will use the same in-development Lyulka AL-41F engine planned for the 1.44.

[edit] Design

The 1.44 is a delta-winged, twin-tailed single seat air superiority/strike fighter with an all-moving forward canard plane. It is powered by two Lyulka AL-41F afterburning, thrust vectored turbofan jet engines, each generating 175 kN (39,340 lbf) of thrust (these engines are still in development). Both engines are fed by a single air intake placed under the fuselage. The 35-ton aircraft has a theoretical at-altitude maximum speed of Mach 2.6, and is capable of long-term supersonic flight. The 1.44 has a tricycle landing gear system, with a single, dual-wheel landing gear in the front, and two single-wheels in the rear.

Avionics on the 1.44 are considered cutting-edge by Western standards: the glass-cockpit-enabled fighter features a pulse Doppler radar with a passive electronically scanned array antenna. The radar system is linked to a fire control system that allows the fighter to engage up to twenty separate targets at the same time.
General characteristics

* Crew: 1
* Length: 19 m (63 ft)
* Wingspan: 15 m (50 ft)
* Height: 4.50 m (15 ft)
* Wing area: m² (ft²)
* Empty weight: 18,000 kg (40,000 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 35,000 kg (77,000 lb)
* Powerplant: 2× Lyulka AL-41F afterburning turbofans, 176 kN (39,680 lb) each

Performance

* Maximum speed: Mach 2.6 (2761.2 km/h, 1716 mph)
* Range: 4,000 km (2,500 mi)
* Service ceiling 17,000 m (55,720 ft)
* Rate of climb: m/s (ft/min)
* Wing loading: kg/m² (lb/ft²)

Armament

* Guns: 1× 30 mm Izhmash GSh-301 cannon
* Missiles: R-77 (AA-12 Adder) medium-range radar-guided missiles, R-73 (AA-11 Archer) short-range IR-guided missiles, K-37 long-range radar-guided missiles, K-74 short-range IR-guided missiles
* Bombs: likely any AGM or small-diameter free fall bomb in the Russian inventory
 

ROCK45

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The Mikoyan Project 1.44/1.42[1]

Hi lalitghag
Do you have a link for this article because 2001 is a long time ago it might be a little dated. The trouble MIG is having I can't see this still being active.

Do you have any updated information on , K-37 long-range radar-guided missiles, K-74 short-range IR-guided missiles, you mentioned in the bottom of your post? I remember reading some place that one of the two companies that were putting out the prototype long range air to air missile closed. I can't remember which one or the number of the missile sorry, somebody here might know.

In other MIG news I found:
February 8, 2009 February 8, 2009
MiG-29K/KUB in Luhovicy
http://translate.google.com/transla.../08/6201&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result

The above is good news you see work being done on a production line.
 

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The Mikoyan Project 1.44/1.42[1] is a 5th generation jet technology demonstrator developed by the Mikoyan Design Bureau. Apart from a number of names along the lines of "Object/Project 1.44/1.42", the aircraft is also known as the MiG-MFI. Unofficially known for a time as "MiG-35", MiG is now using this designation for an advanced Mikoyan MiG-29. Despite the non-production status of the 1.44/1.42, NATO has assigned the reporting name "Flatpack" to this aircraft.
Development

The 1.44 was Mikoyan-Gurevich design bureau's entry to Russia's Многофункциональный Фронтовой Истребитель (Mnogofounksionalni Frontovoi Istrebitel - Multifunctional Frontline Fighter) program (a development program that originated in the 1980s, similar to the Advanced Tactical Fighter program held in the United States). It was designed to compete with the American Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. Many of its design features are similar to those found on fifth generation Western fighters, including supersonic cruise and modern avionics. Looking back upon its development history, the 1.44 served purely as a technological showcase and testbed for future aircraft designs, not as an actual air superiority fighter prototype.

The MiG 1.44 has been shrouded in mystery throughout the course of its existence. The Russian government cancelled the MFI program in 1997 due to the unacceptably high per-unit cost of the aircraft (Ф2.05 billion RUR, US$70 million). Development continued, with the first test flight taking place on February 29, 2000 and two confirmed test flights in 2001. After the cancellation of the MFI program the PAK FA (Перспективный Авиационный Комплекс Фронтовой Авиации - Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi - Prospective Air Complex for Tactical Air Forces) program was initiated in order to develop an aircraft designed to fill a role similar to that of the F-22, and come at a size and cost similar to that of the F-35 Lightning II.

In 2001, India agreed with Russia to make the PAK FA program a development/production joint-venture between the two nations. Both Mikoyan-Gurevich and Sukhoi submitted concepts to the Defense Ministry for the PAK FA program (MiG entering an updated Project 1.44), but the Russian Defense Ministry selected the Sukhoi Design Bureau as the primary contractor for the PAK FA fighter. Design work has commenced on a backward-swept winged derivative of Sukhoi's experimental Su-47 Berkut aircraft. PAK FA proves to be a very ambitious program, with production of the PAK FA fighter planned to commence in 2010. MiG-MAPO and Yakovlev have also been mentioned as secondary contractors. The MiG 1.44 formerly served as a technology demonstrator for the PAK FA program. The in-development PAK FA aircraft will use the same in-development Lyulka AL-41F engine planned for the 1.44.

[edit] Design

The 1.44 is a delta-winged, twin-tailed single seat air superiority/strike fighter with an all-moving forward canard plane. It is powered by two Lyulka AL-41F afterburning, thrust vectored turbofan jet engines, each generating 175 kN (39,340 lbf) of thrust (these engines are still in development). Both engines are fed by a single air intake placed under the fuselage. The 35-ton aircraft has a theoretical at-altitude maximum speed of Mach 2.6, and is capable of long-term supersonic flight. The 1.44 has a tricycle landing gear system, with a single, dual-wheel landing gear in the front, and two single-wheels in the rear.

Avionics on the 1.44 are considered cutting-edge by Western standards: the glass-cockpit-enabled fighter features a pulse Doppler radar with a passive electronically scanned array antenna. The radar system is linked to a fire control system that allows the fighter to engage up to twenty separate targets at the same time.
General characteristics

* Crew: 1
* Length: 19 m (63 ft)
* Wingspan: 15 m (50 ft)
* Height: 4.50 m (15 ft)
* Wing area: m² (ft²)
* Empty weight: 18,000 kg (40,000 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 35,000 kg (77,000 lb)
* Powerplant: 2× Lyulka AL-41F afterburning turbofans, 176 kN (39,680 lb) each

Performance

* Maximum speed: Mach 2.6 (2761.2 km/h, 1716 mph)
* Range: 4,000 km (2,500 mi)
* Service ceiling 17,000 m (55,720 ft)
* Rate of climb: m/s (ft/min)
* Wing loading: kg/m² (lb/ft²)

Armament

* Guns: 1× 30 mm Izhmash GSh-301 cannon
* Missiles: R-77 (AA-12 Adder) medium-range radar-guided missiles, R-73 (AA-11 Archer) short-range IR-guided missiles, K-37 long-range radar-guided missiles, K-74 short-range IR-guided missiles
* Bombs: likely any AGM or small-diameter free fall bomb in the Russian inventory
What was the point of this? If I want to read the wikipedia article about the MiG-1.44 I just go there :confused:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Project_1.44
 

Feanor

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Lalitghag you've been warned before not to post complete articles, with little relevance, no citation, and no personal input. It's clearly against the rules. This is a warning. Do NOT do it again.
 

ROCK45

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MiG-29 KUB Fulcrum-D carrier-based fighters

Just read where Russia going to buy MiG-29 KUB Fulcrum-D carrier-based fighters to help MIG out. This is good news because it shoots a little life into them and brings hope.

Russian state to order naval fighters to support MiG company
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090211/120095365.html

Big bailout money being thrown around here
Ailing MiG Corp. to get $308 mln under state contract, other aid
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090211/120093470.html
 

ROCK45

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Links

Hi Feanor
I must have missed it I'll go back and check it, the link you attached here is in Russian so I can't read it.

Would buying up the remaining weapons stocks be for the ex-Algerian Fulcrum? Can't wait until there assigned to a active regiment/squadron and hope Russia shows the world they were fine.

The Algerians could have had a good high and low mix with Flankers and Fulcrum and retired all there old aircraft, such is life. Always been a fan of the Su-24s hope Algeria keeps them flying.

Getting back to the Mig-29D's does that mean all Fulcrum production is shifted to where there building the K models? The link I posted the other day was dated 2/8 so at least work is being done.
 

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I'm not sure in regards to current production. I suspect that it's entirely limited to the K models. As for remaining stocks it refers to parts and completed product left over at factories from the Soviet times and the 90's. For example Algerian Fulcrums has parts used in them that were old, unused but old. There are Tu-160 components left over at the factory. That sort of thing.

EDIT: An arms-tass article talking about the MiG-35 order. They say at least 20-30 aircraft will be in the 2020 armaments program, with the exact number to be determined next year. I seriously wonder how much this is influenced by the current issue with airframe wear.

http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=66481&cid=25

And, as a step towards joining the UAC, MiG and Sukhoi will set up a joint post-sale support center in Malaysia.

http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=66487&cid=25
 
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harryriedl

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I'm not sure in regards to current production. I suspect that it's entirely limited to the K models. As for remaining stocks it refers to parts and completed product left over at factories from the Soviet times and the 90's. For example Algerian Fulcrums has parts used in them that were old, unused but old. There are Tu-160 components left over at the factory. That sort of thing.

EDIT: An arms-tass article talking about the MiG-35 order. They say at least 20-30 aircraft will be in the 2020 armaments program, with the exact number to be determined next year. I seriously wonder how much this is influenced by the current issue with airframe wear.

http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=66481&cid=25

And, as a step towards joining the UAC, MiG and Sukhoi will set up a joint post-sale support center in Malaysia.

http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=66487&cid=25
It will be a real hog podge of variants in the Russian air force maintenance is going to be interesting especial as according to Defense News the Russian defense budgets going to be cut by 15% with no cut in procurement main likely to get the short end of the stick

awmaker: Russia To Cut Defense Budget 15 Pct.
By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 12 Feb 08:28 EST (13:28 GMT)
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MOSCOW - Russia is to reduce its defense budget for the current year by 15 percent in response to the financial crisis, the head of parliament's defense committee said on Feb. 12, Interfax reported.

"A decision was made for a reduction of 15 percent and it is highly likely that this is not the last decision on the budget," said the deputy, Mikhail Babich.
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He added that spending on new weapons would remain unchanged.

"The important question now is to know which lines of military spending will be reduced in order to not affect the fundamentals we want to preserve: state order and social spending," he added.

This year the defense ministry's budget was set at around $39.5 billion (30.71 billion euros).

On February 5, Russia's authorities indicated that the 2009 budget deficit would be at least eight percent of GDP because of the economic crisis that has hit Russia.

Russia's economy, driven in recent years by the soaring price of raw materials, has been hit particularly hard by the collapse of oil prices.

The ruble has lost a third of its value against the euro and the dollar since last November and the government says it expects somewhere between zero growth and a 0.2 percent decline in GDP this year.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3944992&c=EUR&s=TOP
 

ROCK45

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Mig-29k

nevidimka you beat me I just saw this wow great news. To our Indian posters is this real are there four shinny new Mig-29k in your country today?
 

nevidimka

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nevidimka you beat me I just saw this wow great news. To our Indian posters is this real are there four shinny new Mig-29k in your country today?
yes, I know you wanted to know this answer for a long time. I would also lke to see some pictures as confirmation
 

ROCK45

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K Fulcrum

Just wanted to know has anybody seen any pictures of the K model Fulcrum's in India yet?
 

macman

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I think that they are still in Russia, where the Indian's have started training on them.
Will post the link if I come across it again.
 

ROCK45

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Fulcrums

Thanks macman I knew it was to good to be true there would have been more coverage.

Even know the articale clearly says
BANGALORE (India), February 12 (RIA Novosti) - Russia has delivered the first four MiG-29 Fulcrum-D naval fighters to India and will supply the remaining 12 aircraft by the end of 2009, the head of Russia's MiG aircraft maker said on Thursday.
Do Russian people really use RIA Novosti as there news source?
 
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