They should napalm the poppy crops! The soviets failed with 150,000 men to pacify this nation. I just dont see nato/us turning this around anytime soon. I wonder how the rest of the country would feel about the war if it drags out 10 more years? I agree with the planned surge though thats a step in the right direction. They need all the manpower they can get. We should pull some divisions from iraq and send them to where they are needed more.
NATO in Afghanistan
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Umm, most of the Allied forces in Afghanistan (the more realistic ones of course) expect this little adventure to last into the 2020s (with 2020 perhaps a turning point where the beginning of an exit/turnover strategy can be implemented).
Afghanistan won't be "solved" within 10 years. No matter how many surges in manpower, no matter how indiscriminate the use of force.
Afghanistan won't be "solved" within 10 years. No matter how many surges in manpower, no matter how indiscriminate the use of force.
It is said about the NATO forces in many areas of Afghanistan and their rival Talibans in many areas of Afghanistan having not much intention to fight each other make communications and live in good terms with each other. The situation changes when any of the group gets a plan to attack some area.
Back to reality, even NATO troop reach 1 million the Taliban will stay in control especially in Afghan-Pakistan border.
The conflict only can be solve if NATO develop a good reation with Afghan & Pakistan people especially to member of Pasthun ethnics and muslim clerics. Failed to do so, no major development can be brought to stop Taliban.
With increased of anti-Israel/US after Gaza onslaught, the situation will be advantage to Taliban, more aids and manpower can be trained.
The conflict only can be solve if NATO develop a good reation with Afghan & Pakistan people especially to member of Pasthun ethnics and muslim clerics. Failed to do so, no major development can be brought to stop Taliban.
With increased of anti-Israel/US after Gaza onslaught, the situation will be advantage to Taliban, more aids and manpower can be trained.
Sampanviking
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I am surprised that this story has been missed!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7868586.stm
The Krygyz Goverment is moving to close the Manas Airbase. So what do you see as the consequences?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7868586.stm
The Krygyz Goverment is moving to close the Manas Airbase. So what do you see as the consequences?
dragonfire
New Member
Obama has been advised by Pentagon to focus on Terrorist camps in Pakistan, in Pakistan Occupied/Administered Kashmir, Pakistan-Afghanistan Border and the NWFP, Baloch areas. There were news reports on how missile strikes as well as strikes from UCAVs will continue against terrorist targets inside Pakistan. Is this only a US initiative or does it have the backing of the NATO members esp the one with deployed troops in Afganistan
The noose around the American interests need tightened as there need not let a foreign force under the shadow of war against terror in the region. Russia is the strong man of the area but the present Russian leadership is not upto the mark, otherwise this one sided game would stop quickly. More pity felt for the Europeans who are made compelled to participate in that in the NATO team. They even dare not refuse like the Qirghiz Turk.
For Russia the current situation with NATO and USA in Afganistan / Iraq is as good as it gets. No point to help Taliban or Iraqi resistance and alienate NATO/USA when they are busy enough there as is.
The best Russian dream is let USA remain in unstable Afghanistan and Iraq forever. And if USA invades Iran... i imagine sexual "Oooo! Oooo!" from russian president...
Sampanviking
Banned Member
The Kyrgyz seem serious about this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7873866.stm
It seems to be related to the announcemebt of the creation of an elite CSTO rapid reaction force of about 10000, which was agreed at the summit in Moscow earlier this month and is apparently to be stationed at this Base.
http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/36833
Chrom says
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7873866.stm
It seems to be related to the announcemebt of the creation of an elite CSTO rapid reaction force of about 10000, which was agreed at the summit in Moscow earlier this month and is apparently to be stationed at this Base.
http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/36833
Chrom says
In fact the opposite is true and Russia has been pushing hard for a greater Regional involvment in the problem. this looks like a part of that push!
China have also intrest in central asia ,already participated in Gawader port development,Pakistan and China also dont like long term presence of US in Afghanistan .
US and Nato dont have alternate route for supplies could double the cost of further operations.
Iran may provide supply route for NATO ,enemy of enemy is my friend ,always supported US against Sunni governments Talaban and Sadam .
Any how Honey moon period for NATO is now over
US and Nato dont have alternate route for supplies could double the cost of further operations.
Iran may provide supply route for NATO ,enemy of enemy is my friend ,always supported US against Sunni governments Talaban and Sadam .
Any how Honey moon period for NATO is now over
pramodkumarca
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china is doing same mistake what USA has done to Taliban - USA have trained and provided arms to support them from soviets. now the balance is tilted the china and pak (ISI) are helping Taliban against NATO but all should understand that no one gains from the growth of terrorism - soon the demon created by Pakistan with support of chine will see a repeat of past when demon will eat it's creator :nutkick
Allow me to elaborate on what's going on. 1) Russia is pushing for removal of independent bilateral US basing agreement in the CAR. 2) Russia is offering overland transit, in addition to over flight (Germany has already accepted this offer). Contradiction? No. Of course not. Russia wants to be the main logistical pipeline for Afghan. That way the Afghan mission is at Russian mercy. So should sh*t ever hit the fan, Russia has an extra guarantee that NATO will play nice.
China is playing its cards safely and with great wisdom,NATO is now very close to defeat and failure of mission ,US trying to reverse the lost war to victory by putting pressure on Pakistan from western boarders by injecting fresh troops and bashing india to increase pressure on eastern boarders.
Pakistan and China stronge ties will nulify new US strategy eventually they have to withdraw forces from Afghanistan.:nutkick
Pakistan and China stronge ties will nulify new US strategy eventually they have to withdraw forces from Afghanistan.:nutkick
Lets hope we don't have to witness another one of these:
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/D...ur/80thAnniversaryOfRafsEvacuationOfKabul.htm
Any failure of NATO in A-STAN will have a dramatic impact upon Pakistan, the country will become a basket case, there's no way the ISI will be able to keep a reinvigorated Taliban in check. This in turn could lead to increased activity in Kashmir as more militants are trained and equipped by a Pakistan-Afghanistan extremist and dysfunctional regimes, which in turn would definitely lead to another conflict with India.
Also China will not support a dysfunctional Pakistan, the last think they need / want is the spread of an extremist ideology amongst their own Muslim minorities.
NATO has to succeed, there is simply too much at stake.
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/D...ur/80thAnniversaryOfRafsEvacuationOfKabul.htm
Any failure of NATO in A-STAN will have a dramatic impact upon Pakistan, the country will become a basket case, there's no way the ISI will be able to keep a reinvigorated Taliban in check. This in turn could lead to increased activity in Kashmir as more militants are trained and equipped by a Pakistan-Afghanistan extremist and dysfunctional regimes, which in turn would definitely lead to another conflict with India.
Also China will not support a dysfunctional Pakistan, the last think they need / want is the spread of an extremist ideology amongst their own Muslim minorities.
NATO has to succeed, there is simply too much at stake.
Or maybe the USA will inject large numbers of additional troops, as they become available from Iraq, and manages to take control of the borders, and then defeat the insurgency leading to a stabilization of the area and the emergence of a more or less modern secular Afghani state. This weakens taliban insurgents across the board, and with the tide turning Pakistan itself becomes far more stable, eventually leading to a period of general stability and peace in the entire region.
Or maybe we're both full of sh*t. Would you like to qualify your anti-American bashing with something more then just your opinion? Facts are welcome.
:nutkick
Anyways, Russia has agreed to American transit of non-military goods, and all the documents have been signed. At this point the goods will be transported upon request. This includes land based transit, not just air corridors.
http://newsru.com/russia/12feb2009/tranzit.html
This comes right after the closing of the Kyrgyzystan base. At the same time, we have more rhetoric about cooperation on the Afghan issue, possible transit of military goods. It seems we're determined to hold the key to Afghan in our hands.
A.Mookerjee
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Afghanistan, is not a nation, in the sense that The United States, or Great Britain is. For that matter, India is not similar to The United States, and Great Britian is not similar to India, nor to the United States, when she defines her nationhood. Democracy, as it is practiced in the United States, will not work in Afghanistan. When Afghanistan had a ruler, in the past, he was as distant, as any ruler is to his subjects. The Afghan's find belonging in their individual tribes, to which the Afghan gives allegiance. Ties of tribe, are stronger, than ties of nationhood. If the tribe in Afghanistan is content, then Afghanistan is peaceful. Unfortunately, the western powers did not do anything for Afghanistan, after the Soviets were forced to leave Afghanistan. There was widespread misery in Afghanistan. Now, things may be a bit better. Governance in Afghanistan has to improve. The government has to foster better understanding between the tribes, and also has to understand the tribes more sympathetically.
There is no contradiction here
Russia wants to reduce USA influence in Middle East. One of the tools here - is increase Middle East countries independence in the true sense of the word.But Russia ALSO want USA to remain in unstable region as long as possible. However, in any case NOT to win there.
Russia also wants to get friendly points between these countries by opposing so much hated (by these countries) USA. But - not too much opposing, no large scale weapon supply or something. Just to maintain status quo.
Look at the rhetoric of russian president - he always say "we dont want USA to leave Afganistan / Iraq right now". Look at last transit agreement...
Russia wants to control USA in Middle East, but Russia dont want USA to leave...