yasin_khan
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Its good news for Indian navy but India and Pakistan both have problem that after testing two or three times they induct it in their inventry.
Indian Nuclear & Missile Development, News & Discussions
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alphacentauri
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Hey guys here is a true revelation of the range of Dhanush missile, very less info is available about this missile but this nuclear capable variant of Prithvi has a range of 1500km or probably more if we can beleive the following news. So this means that the actual range of many Indian BMs is delibrately stated to a minimum level to not to get the international criticism and pressure at home. Anyhow i am happy that Indian Navy surface fleet have got nuclear capable missiles of that range.
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/stories/20090102252609400.htm
BUOYED by the successful first test of the surface-to-surface Shourya missile from the Integrated Test Range at Chandipur-on-sea near Balasore in Orissa on November 12, missile technologists of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) are engaged in preparing for the launch of an interceptor missile. The launch, scheduled to take place in the second half of December, will feature two missiles. While the target missile, with a range of 1,500 km, will be fired from a ship in the Bay of Bengal towards Wheeler Island, located off the Orissa coast, the interceptor missile, which will be fired from the island, will engage an incoming “enemy missile” in the terminal phase of its flight at an altitude of 80 km in the exo-atmosphere and pulverise it. The enemy missile will be a modified version of Dhanush.
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/stories/20090102252609400.htm
BUOYED by the successful first test of the surface-to-surface Shourya missile from the Integrated Test Range at Chandipur-on-sea near Balasore in Orissa on November 12, missile technologists of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) are engaged in preparing for the launch of an interceptor missile. The launch, scheduled to take place in the second half of December, will feature two missiles. While the target missile, with a range of 1,500 km, will be fired from a ship in the Bay of Bengal towards Wheeler Island, located off the Orissa coast, the interceptor missile, which will be fired from the island, will engage an incoming “enemy missile” in the terminal phase of its flight at an altitude of 80 km in the exo-atmosphere and pulverise it. The enemy missile will be a modified version of Dhanush.
yasin_khan
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Dear range of prithvi is not 1500 km.There are three variants of prithvi that is Prithvi-1 150 km,Prithvi-2 250 km and Prithvi-3 350 km.Dhanush is customized Prithvi missile to certify it for sea worthiness.
Prithvi is now been considered for a pure conventional role.It had a nuclear role when it was initially deployed.No any more.IA is concentrating on increasing tactical fire power Smerch,Prithvi,Brahmos etc..
The nuke role is to be handled by Agni series.
alphacentauri
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Please read my post carefully and nowhere in above post i have said that range of Prithvi is 1500 km, i said that Dhanush a nuclear capable variant of Prithvi is declared by officials as having a range of 1500km. Because very less is known about this missile and it operational status. And if the range of Dhanush can be 1500km then it is possible that Prithvi's range can also be variable from 150km to 1500km. Well i believe that the exact range and capabilities of a missiles are very closely guarded secrets and are never disclosed to the general public by any nation.
Even i think there has been an error in reporting.
the standard range of prithvi-3 is 350 km as yasin has mention, however the range can be increased to 500 km if a smaller warhead is fitted.
1500 km sounds too farfatched.
maybe they mis-reported the name ,maybe it is one of the agni series of missiles being fired ( sea variant).
alphacentauri
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How can agni be fired from a ship, i mean no news that a launcher and stablisation platform is developed for agni series of missiles. Dhanush is a liquid fuelled missile and is not related to prithvi-3 which is a solid fuelled missile, pls have a look:
Moreover DRDO is going to intercept a 1500km missile so it will be Dhanush invariably and logically as reported.
yes yes , i have seen the pictures before.
but there is a typing mistake . the Dhanush , Prithvi and even the sagarika or even the latest shourya do not have a rage of 1500 km.
if its 1500 km its gotta be the agni series ( u do know there was a navalised version o agni 3 being developed right? )...............or they have made a mistake in mentioning the range
yasin_khan
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I think this report is made by Parnab Mukherji Foreign minister of India and i think he made a mistake Prithivi is ICBM with range more than 10k miles to target USA.
i doubt if you can increase the range of the original prithvi missiles without extensively modifying them(like with the addition of more propulsion stages using more fuel efficient engines) which will literally make it a new missile.
however the most exciting development is the shourya missile which is hypersonic (capable of cruise speed of mach ) has a mixed trajectory (cruise and ballistic) and a range of 600 kms.
this missile can be fired from underwater launchers as well as land based silos ,iam sure land based mobile and a warship launched variant of this missile will also be developed.
there was a time when india was actively interested in the israeli lora and the russian iskandar missile systems as a replacement of the prithvi missiles ,they were more impressed with the lora missile for which the israelis offeredjoint developement(russia did not offer the joint development of the iskander missile).
shourya has some features of the lora missile ,mainly the mixed (cruise/ballistic) trajectory ,ease of operation and multi platform launch capability,i wonder how much has the shourya been influenced by the lora?
though one thing is for sure shourya is being developed as replacement for the prithvi missiles.the arrival of shourya(valour) will relegate the prithvi missile to reserves status.
shourya has some features of the lora missile ,mainly the mixed (cruise/ballistic) trajectory ,ease of operation and multi platform launch capability,i wonder how much has the shourya been influenced by the lora?
though one thing is for sure shourya is being developed as replacement for the prithvi missiles.the arrival of shourya(valour) will relegate the prithvi missile to reserves status.
Deadmanwalking
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The missile will mimic the flight path of a 1500 km missile. A ballistic missile has a certain flight path which it has to follow.
For the Dhanush(Navalized-Prithvi) to actually reach a distance of 1500 Km.s it will have to actually fly higher, which will mean that the RV will have to be redesigned to withstand reentry into the atmosphere. Also it is very difficult for a liquid motor alone (modified-vikas) to actually provide the sp.thrust to enter the hi-exo atmospheric regime required by a 1500 Km missile. Though what it can do is mimic the flight path of a 1500 km missile (as in this case the RV does not need to actually carry a warhead).
US in talks with India for providing missile defence: Report
I've mentioned a number of times, that from what I'm aware of, India is more and more interested in getting access into Western systems, this has included aircraft, electronics, sensor systems and now it appears, missile defence systems..
Note this is linked into a request for Observer status on systems, it's not a request to purchase. The fact that it's Observer status is still significant
I've mentioned a number of times, that from what I'm aware of, India is more and more interested in getting access into Western systems, this has included aircraft, electronics, sensor systems and now it appears, missile defence systems..
Note this is linked into a request for Observer status on systems, it's not a request to purchase. The fact that it's Observer status is still significant
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/U...ow/3953112.cms said:
hey guys,great news here,indian airforce has placed its first order for the akash missile systems,they plan to induct 2 squadrons initially worth 1200 crores,the system will be further upgraded in block stages.
i expect indian air force to acquire atleast 10 squadrons of these missiles,though iam not that sure that the indian army will acquire these missiles.
here is the link and the article:
http://www.hindu.com/2009/01/12/stories/2009011260031200.htm
Akash system comes with radars, mobile launchers and control centres
It will counter attacks from unmanned combat aerial vehicles, aircraft and missiles
BANGALORE: In a boost to the country’s missile development effort, the Indian Air Force has finally placed an order with Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) for two squadrons of medium range, surface-to-air missile Akash.
The Rs. 1,200-crore order comes 14 months after field trials at Pokhran in Rajasthan.
Earlier, the IAF had reservations about placing the order as the missile, in its present version, does not meet a few of its operating requirements. The IAF wanted a smaller, lighter missile that had a longer range and was more manoeuvrable. The missile also does not have a seeker. However, batch-by-batch improvements in Akash are expected.
i expect indian air force to acquire atleast 10 squadrons of these missiles,though iam not that sure that the indian army will acquire these missiles.
here is the link and the article:
http://www.hindu.com/2009/01/12/stories/2009011260031200.htm
Akash system comes with radars, mobile launchers and control centres
It will counter attacks from unmanned combat aerial vehicles, aircraft and missiles
BANGALORE: In a boost to the country’s missile development effort, the Indian Air Force has finally placed an order with Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) for two squadrons of medium range, surface-to-air missile Akash.
The Rs. 1,200-crore order comes 14 months after field trials at Pokhran in Rajasthan.
Earlier, the IAF had reservations about placing the order as the missile, in its present version, does not meet a few of its operating requirements. The IAF wanted a smaller, lighter missile that had a longer range and was more manoeuvrable. The missile also does not have a seeker. However, batch-by-batch improvements in Akash are expected.
Y would India be interested in US ABM system when they already have the technology themselves? It doesn't makes sense to spend billions of rupees and get a good result, and finally buy it of the shelf from another country, assuming that is where this is heading to.
yasin_khan
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I was checking the ranges of missiles with India deployed and currently developing.
Please check the list.
http://www.missilethreat.com/missilesoftheworld/
Please check the list.
http://www.missilethreat.com/missilesoftheworld/
dragonfire
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Aditya if you know please update me - wasn't Akash the misile platform which was deemed to be of less utility (operationaly speaking) and therefore designated as a technology demonstrator
trishul missile system is the technology demonstrator and not the akash missile.
trishul missile failed to meet some of its objectives and was rejected by both the indian navy(which acquired the barak missile system from israel) and by the indian air force, however some of the positives derived from this programme are to be used in the indofrench maitri(friendship) missile programme to be jointly developed by mbda and bdl .
dragonfire
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Cruise Missile Program for India
India needs a substantial program for development and acquisition of longer range cruise missiles. With the Indian Ballistic Missile Program almost coming to an end it is imperative that we now look forward to arm ourselves with Cruise missiles with longer ranges than the brahmos (which is the only one available to us now). We have neighbours who have deployed longer range cruise missiles and therefore it is imperative that we too design as well as immediately acquire such missiles to offset, esp since the immediate future looks strong for anti-ballistic missile shield systems
India needs a substantial program for development and acquisition of longer range cruise missiles. With the Indian Ballistic Missile Program almost coming to an end it is imperative that we now look forward to arm ourselves with Cruise missiles with longer ranges than the brahmos (which is the only one available to us now). We have neighbours who have deployed longer range cruise missiles and therefore it is imperative that we too design as well as immediately acquire such missiles to offset, esp since the immediate future looks strong for anti-ballistic missile shield systems
alphacentauri
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India plans to use laser weapons in Ballistic Missile Defence
Guys here's a another surprise regarding Indian ABM measures, atleast work is on progress to develop Laser based anti missiles capabilities, comments invited :-
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1222517
India plans to use laser weapons in Ballistic Missile Defence
PTISunday, January 18, 2009 16:39 IST Email
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New Delhi: India is planning to develop a laser based weapon system as part of its Ballistic Missile Defence to intercept and destroy missiles soon after they are launched towards the country.
"If you have a laser based system on an airborne or seaborne platform, it can travel at the speed of light and in a few seconds, we can kill a ballistic missile coming towards us," DRDO's Air Defence Programme director VK Saraswat said here.
He said the laser based interceptor will give "more time" to the BMD system to kill ballistic missile launched from a distance of 2000 kms.
"Suppose if the missile is being launched at Indian target from 2000 km. If I have to kill it there, I will have to travel that distance, which will require many minutes to be there. If you have a laser system travelling at a speed of light, it can kill that missile in its boost phase (just after launch) even before it has travelled a few 100 kilometers," Saraswat, who is chief controller R&D, said.
A ballistic missile take-off has three segments. When launched, it is called boost phase, and followed by the mid course when it reaches the highest point of its trajectory and lastly the terminal phase when it is coming close to the target on ground.
Saraswat said its ideal to destroy a ballistic missile carrying nuclear or conventional warhead in its boost phase.
"It's easier to kill a missile in boost phase as it has not gained much speed and is easier to target. It cannot deploy any countermeasures and it is vulnerable at that time," Saraswat said.
The distinguished scientist stated that DRDO laboratories like The Laser and Science Technology Centre (LASTEC) was also developing such technologies.
"In LASTEC, we are developing many of these technologies.We have to package these technologies on aircraft like the Americans have done on their systems," he added.
Saraswat added that it will take another 10-15 years for the premier defence research institute to make it usable on ground.
"It is an involved process and not just about producing lasers. We have to put in many systems like the surveillance and tracking systems together for such a system to work. It will take another 10-15 years before we talk of integrating all these elements," he said.
Guys here's a another surprise regarding Indian ABM measures, atleast work is on progress to develop Laser based anti missiles capabilities, comments invited :-
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1222517
India plans to use laser weapons in Ballistic Missile Defence
PTISunday, January 18, 2009 16:39 IST Email
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New Delhi: India is planning to develop a laser based weapon system as part of its Ballistic Missile Defence to intercept and destroy missiles soon after they are launched towards the country.
"If you have a laser based system on an airborne or seaborne platform, it can travel at the speed of light and in a few seconds, we can kill a ballistic missile coming towards us," DRDO's Air Defence Programme director VK Saraswat said here.
He said the laser based interceptor will give "more time" to the BMD system to kill ballistic missile launched from a distance of 2000 kms.
"Suppose if the missile is being launched at Indian target from 2000 km. If I have to kill it there, I will have to travel that distance, which will require many minutes to be there. If you have a laser system travelling at a speed of light, it can kill that missile in its boost phase (just after launch) even before it has travelled a few 100 kilometers," Saraswat, who is chief controller R&D, said.
A ballistic missile take-off has three segments. When launched, it is called boost phase, and followed by the mid course when it reaches the highest point of its trajectory and lastly the terminal phase when it is coming close to the target on ground.
Saraswat said its ideal to destroy a ballistic missile carrying nuclear or conventional warhead in its boost phase.
"It's easier to kill a missile in boost phase as it has not gained much speed and is easier to target. It cannot deploy any countermeasures and it is vulnerable at that time," Saraswat said.
The distinguished scientist stated that DRDO laboratories like The Laser and Science Technology Centre (LASTEC) was also developing such technologies.
"In LASTEC, we are developing many of these technologies.We have to package these technologies on aircraft like the Americans have done on their systems," he added.
Saraswat added that it will take another 10-15 years for the premier defence research institute to make it usable on ground.
"It is an involved process and not just about producing lasers. We have to put in many systems like the surveillance and tracking systems together for such a system to work. It will take another 10-15 years before we talk of integrating all these elements," he said.