Indian Nuclear & Missile Development, News & Discussions

[Rish]

Interesting news guys, Russia and india are to develop a hypersonic cruise missile together. seems like theyre a little behind the competition though. We'll seee what happens

http://www.india- defence.com/reports-4030

Russia, India to develop new BrahMos cruise missile

Russia and India will jointly develop a new BrahMos-2 hypersonic cruise missile, the head of the BrahMos company said on Monday.

"Today, at a meeting of the Russian-Indian intergovernmental commission on military-technical cooperation, we decided to set up a working group on the development of the BrahMos-2 missile," the company's CEO, Sivathanu Pillai said. "The new hypersonic missile will have a top speed of over Mach 5, which would make it impossible to intercept," he added.

Established in 1998, BrahMos Aerospace, a joint Indian-Russian venture, produces and markets BrahMos supersonic missiles, whose sea-based and land-based versions have been successfully tested and put into service with the Indian army and navy.

Pillai said that the company had finished the development of the airborne version of the BrahMos missile and the Indian air force had chosen the SU-30 MKI Flanker-H multirole fighter as a trial platform for the missile.

The BrahMos missile has a range of 290 km (180 miles) and can carry a conventional warhead of up to 300 kg (660 pounds). It can hit ground targets flying at an altitude as low as 10 meters (30 feet) and has a top speed of Mach 2.8, which is about three times faster than the U.S.-made subsonic Tomahawk cruise missile.

The head of BrahMos Aerospace earlier said that the recent acquisition of an assembly plant in the state of Kerala from Kerala Hightech Industries Ltd, in addition to the main plant in Hyderabad, would allow the company to increase production to 50 BrahMos missiles a year and fulfill orders from the army on schedule.

Analysts estimate that India could purchase up to 1,000 BrahMos missiles for its armed forces in the next decade, and export 2,000 to other countries during the same period.

 

[nevidimka]

Both the Shaurya missile and Prithvi has similar range. What is the difference?

http://in.news.yahoo.com/20/20081112/1416/tnl-india-successfully-test-fires-shaury_1.html

 

[suryaaa]

No thats not right prithvi is in the range of 150-350km, where as shaurya has got 600km range.

Another thing about Shaurya is that it can be launched from underground bases,that is this missile is ment for second strike capability.

Many belive this is a version of sub launched sagarika missile.

 

[kay_man]

shourya test fired successfuly

PERFECT OPERATION: Surface-to-surface missile ‘Shourya’ roars into the sky from the Integrated Test Range at Balasore, Orissa, on Wednesday.

CHENNAI: India on Wednesday successfully test-fired a new surface-to-surface missile called “Shourya” from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Balasore in Orissa.

The two-stage missile took off from a silo at 11.25 a.m. and reached its targeted site 600 km away in the Bay of Bengal. Shourya can carry both nuclear and conventional warheads.

It is the land version of the underwater-launched missile called K-15 (Sagarika), which was fired in February 2008 from an underwater pontoon.

Shourya is a product of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and its Programme Director is A.K. Chakrabarti. M. Natarajan, Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister, was at Balasore to watch the launch.


‘Significant milestone’


W. Selvamurthy, Chief Controller (R and D), DRDO, said, “Today’s flight-test of Shourya is a significant milestone in building capability for the nation in the field of missiles both for strategic and tactical applications.” Just as the K-15 (Sagarika) missile could rise from the water and knife into the air, Shourya could lift off from a silo on the ground and pierce the sky. “Since the missile is fired from underground, it cannot be detected by conventional satellite imaging,” Dr. Selvamurthy said.

‘Totally new missile’


As Shourya was canisterised it was easy to transport, maintain and operate. Both its stages were powered by solid propellants. The Chief Controller called Shourya “a totally new missile.”

While the K-15 missile has an underwater booster and an air booster, Shourya has a booster underground and an air booster.

Shourya could get through the air defence of an adversary country because it was highly manoeuvrable, Dr. Selvamurthy said.

Defence Minister A.K. Antony has congratulated the DRDO on the successful test-firing of the Shourya.

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

^^^

It would be better if you discuss the article expressing your thoughts, technical details and its implications instead of merely posting the news article.

If I want to read news, I can go to BBC or Indian masala news sites.

 

[suryaaa]

This missile is certainly going to boost India's second strike capability,since we opted for no first strike policy.

One thing is for sure that even after a nuclear attack ,the enemy state cant rest in peace since they no that this missile will survive the nuke attack ,and will strike back with immediate effect.

Guys is it true that this is a version of sagarika,even though the oficials deny it.

And this missile test happend out of no where.That realy amazes me .

Well is it end for prithvi missiles?

 

[kay_man]

This missile is certainly going to boost India's second strike capability,since we opted for no first strike policy.

One thing is for sure that even after a nuclear attack ,the enemy state cant rest in peace since they no that this missile will survive the nuke attack ,and will strike back with immediate effect.

Guys is it true that this is a version of sagarika,even though the oficials deny it.

And this missile test happend out of no where.That realy amazes me .

Well is it end for prithvi missiles?

Well yes. it is a derivative of the Sagarika / K-15. But it not much in common with it.

Also No. It is not the end of Prithvi missile. The best and most important thing about the Prithvi is its mobility. This this is carried on the back of a Tatra 8x8. Id say that adds to the lethality of Prithvi.

 

[nevidimka]

IIRC the Prithvi had 500 km max for the Air force version? If not then there is an Agni missile with the shorter 500-600km category is it not? But this missile certainly is much better than those 2 being silo based and solid fueled, its more advanced.

I saw the picture of the missile in the Hindu today and the missile certainly didnt have a aerodynamic nose cone. Its nosecone end is a semi sphere like shape. Whats with that?


And I personally do not like liquid fueled short ranged Surface to surface missile. They take time to be fueled and launched.

And Aliph Ahmed, that is a good 1...nfloorl:
Good to see being a pakistani, you like to visit the Indian masala site..

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

IIRC the Prithvi had 500 km max for the Air force version? If not then there is an Agni missile with the shorter 500-600km category is it not? But this missile certainly is much better than those 2 being silo based and solid fueled, its more advanced.

I saw the picture of the missile in the Hindu today and the missile certainly didnt have a aerodynamic nose cone. Its nosecone end is a semi sphere like shape. Whats with that?


And I personally do not like liquid fueled short ranged Surface to surface missile. They take time to be fueled and launched.

And Aliph Ahmed, that is a good 1...nfloorl:
Good to see being a pakistani, you like to visit the Indian masala site..

I always considered Prithvi a useless missile but I like the Shourya. With Isreal helping India with so much and in almost in everything, I wont be surprised if this Shourya has also benefited from the help extended to it by the Israelis.

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[nevidimka]

I always considered Prithvi a useless missile but I like the Shourya. With Isreal helping India with so much and in almost in everything, I wont be surprised if this Shourya has also benefited from the help extended to it by the Israelis.


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Prithvi a useless missile? And yet Ghauri is also a liquid fueled isnt it? Similar missiles, and similar range, and honestly i never knew of this Shaurya, until it appeared out of the blue on the front pages of the Hindu.

But I doubt the israelis has anything to do with helping the Indians with missile tech.

And on the last quote....what a shame....

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

Prithvi a useless missile? And yet Ghauri is also a liquid fueled isnt it? Similar missiles, and similar range, and honestly i never knew of this Shaurya, until it appeared out of the blue on the front pages of the Hindu.

But I doubt the israelis has anything to do with helping the Indians with missile tech.

And on the last quote....what a shame....

I dont like short range liquid fueled missiles. Too much extra luggage.

Prithvi is a short range missile and is not nuclear capable. Also note that Prithvi missile has to be brought near the border and most likely be picked up by neighbouring intel way before it gets filled which mind you take couple of hours as two different liquids are filled and then mixed. After which the missile has a 2 day shelf life. You fly it or you discard it.

I am not surprised at all about Shourya because both Pakistan and India are working on quite a few missile systems. I can say for sure about Pakistan. More then 6 different types are going to be unveiled next year.

As for Shourya. It is too early to conclude about it's effectiveness or the level of assistance Israel has offered to India but from what I have read, I consider it as a good missile.

What is your take on the nose?

 

[nevidimka]

I dont like short range liquid fueled missiles. Too much extra luggage.

Prithvi is a short range missile and is not nuclear capable. Also note that Prithvi missile has to be brought near the border and most likely be picked up by neighbouring intel way before it gets filled which mind you take couple of hours as two different liquids are filled and then mixed. After which the missile has a 2 day shelf life. You fly it or you discard it.

I am not surprised at all about Shourya because both Pakistan and India are working on quite a few missile systems. I can say for sure about Pakistan. More then 6 different types are going to be unveiled next year.

As for Shourya. It is too early to conclude about it's effectiveness or the level of assistance Israel has offered to India but from what I have read, I consider it as a good missile.

What is your take on the nose?

I have no idea what that nose is about. Its not a typical missile nose. perhaps some1 can shed light on it?

 

[gf0012-aust]

But I doubt the israelis has anything to do with helping the Indians with missile tech.

The Israelis have been involved with cruise missile development for sub launched cruise missiles. One of the ex Defence Professionals on this forum was a contractor involved with the program. They ran trials off the Israeli Dolphin in the Indian Navy test area

 

[gf0012-aust]

Prithvi is a short range missile and is not nuclear capable. Also note that Prithvi missile has to be brought near the border

Privthi is nuclear capable - the issue is miniaturisation of the warhead and Privthi is certainly within the scope of being used to carry even pre-generation miniaturised warheads.

Privthi is a tactical battlefield missile - the same role as the russian Tochka - and we all know how successful the Tochkas are. The russians ID'd, re-targeted and killed a target with 15-20 minutes id-target-launch from 80km away in the early 90's

 

[nevidimka]

Regarding the cap on Shourya, it will be jettisoned once the missile is launched. It is used to stabilise the missile and point the missile in the right direction b4 it is jettisoned off.

 

[nevidimka]

India is developing its own LGB.

Manoj K DasFirst Published : 16 Nov 2008 12:40:00 AM ISTLast Updated : 16 Nov 2008 01:22:55 AM ISTKOCHI: After registering significant success with conventional missile systems, India is all set to test its first laser-guided missile at the Interim Test Range, Balasore, Orissa.


The missile is the latest weapon system developed indigenously to occupy the niche of a precision delivery mechanism. It can neutralise any target in a 8000-10,000m range with a zero margin of error.

Developed by the Aeronautical Development Establishment, Bangalore, CLGMis a versatile missile that can be used by the army, navy and air force. It suits the requirements of the artillery for a long-distance strike weapon. The navy can also fire it from an onboard launcher.

“The first version will use a ground-based launcher. However, subsequent ones could be fired from a flying fighter or drone. This will enhance the range,” a source told to this website's newspaper.


CLGM will use a laser of a specific frequency bandwidth to locate the target. The laser creates a heat signature on the target. The missile recognises the signature and homes in on it even if the target is moving, sources said. “The target can be spotlighted using laser beamed from a ship or air. The onboard systems can light it up and the missile follows the reflected light to reach targets that need pinpoint accuracy,” said the source.

However, unlike the practice of giving continuous laser guidance to a missile using an aircraft or a handheld designator, CLGM instrumentation enables it to chase a target once the navigation systems lock in on it. I assume that it Refers to lock on after launch

The ADE is equipping the missile with global positioning system technology. Like all modern missiles, it will have a three-dimensional locking mechanism using latitude, longitude and elevation. This line is more applicable to Sudarshan unless CLGM will also be fired in parabolic mode, see Nimrod series of Israeli missiles

The preliminary trials, the sources said, were satisfactory. A dummy target was lit up using a laser fired from a battle tank. The missile’s navigation system picked up the light and eliminated the target. CLGM final trials are expected to take place within three months.

 

[suryaaa]

Bro a slight correction there its 800 - 1000 km

 

[nevidimka]

Bro a slight correction there its 800 - 1000 km

NO, the report is right. There is no LGB that can travel 800-1000 km without its own power. The report said 8000-10000m which is 8-10 km. A range you'd expect of gliding bombs.

 

[yasin_khan]

Facts about Indian Missiles.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z58cKQQTY2Y"]YouTube - CNN/IBN report on India's missile development[/ame]

 

[yasin_khan]

India test-fires supersonic cruise missile


The Indian Navy successfully launched a BrahMos supersonic cruise missile on Thursday from a mobile platform in the Bay of Bengal.
It was test-fired from a vertical launcher. All previous missile launches were carried out from inclined launchers.
"The BrahMos missile was successfully test-fired in vertical-launch configuration from an Indian Navy ship in the Bay of Bengal," the Defense Ministry said.
The missile was developed by a joint venture between India's Defense Research and Development Organization and Russia's NPO Mashinostroyenia.
The BrahMos missile has a range of 290 km (180 miles) and can carry a conventional warhead of up to 300 kg (660 pounds). It can effectively engage ground targets from an altitude as low as 10 meters (30 feet) and has a top speed of Mach 2.8, which is about three times faster than the U.S.-made subsonic Tomahawk cruise missile.
Analysts estimate that India could purchase up to 1,000 BrahMos missiles for its armed forces in the next decade, and export 2,000 to other countries during the same period.
During a recent visit by Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov to India, the two sides agreed to develop a hypersonic version of the missile to be known as BrahMos-2.




http://en.rian.ru/world/20081218/118928746.html