Russia to get SU-35 by 2011

eaf-f16

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No, i did not mean those things that you have circled, rather look at the 1st pic you provided. Right behind the things u circled there appears to be a boxy deformation of the tail things. Its that. Those were never present in any flanker series b4 this.

Also what is that 'L' shaped black thing hanging below the tail sting? I notiece them too on the cockpit canopy.
I think I know what you mean now.
 

Haavarla

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MAW = Missile Approach Warner
Most MAWs are based on passive IR or UV sensors which are optimised to detect the plumes characteristic for missiles. If suc a plume is detected the system can track it and alert the pilot about an incoming missile. There're for sure algorithms which are used to identify if a missile is closing onto the aircraft or flying somewhere else meaning that it's not a threat to the aircraft. Some MAWS use mm-wave radars which are optimised to detect and track small fast flying objects meaning missiles...

EWE = Early Warning Equipment?
I suppose you mean RWR (radar warning receiver). These and ESM (Electronic Support Measures) are passive systems which detect electromagnetical emissions over a certain frequency band. The RWR detects the emissions can give bearing information to the source. Most advanced RWRs use databases and compare the detected emissions to examples stored in the database to identify specific radar types and even modes. Radars use specific illumination modes for guiding SAHR missiles, that's usually an indications that such a missile is launched at the aircraft. ARH guided missiles have their own seeker whose radiation can be detected and identified. ESM additionally provided ranging capabilities etc.


Thx for the input Scorpion82.
 

AegisFC

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Do not post pointless one liners that contribute nothing to the discussion, an aircraft's "coolness" has no factor what so ever on its capabilities.
 
Do not post pointless one liners that contribute nothing to the discussion, an aircraft's "coolness" has no factor what so ever on its capabilities.
It is the coolest because it has three Dimensional multi axis thrust vectoring nozzles and does not need canards as the Su-37 or Su-30MKI, that is cool it looks better as its better than the Su-30MKI.

It looks like the original Su-27B and its better than all those aircraft with canards like the Su-33, Su-30MKI or Su-37.

I like the new Su-35BM more than the earlier Su-35 that flew in 1988
 

Haavarla

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It is the coolest because it has three Dimensional multi axis thrust vectoring nozzles and does not need canards as the Su-37 or Su-30MKI, that is cool it looks better as its better than the Su-30MKI.

It looks like the original Su-27B and its better than all those aircraft with canards like the Su-33, Su-30MKI or Su-37.

I like the new Su-35BM more than the earlier Su-35 that flew in 1988


Does anyone know if there exist any video of the Su-35-01 where it actual use the TVC in flight??

Perhaps they still havent testet it yet, due to other systems test that take prior..
 

Salty Dog

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Russian combat jets are regarded as wonders of military technology, with Su-27 fighter recently being named one of the best combat aircraft in history. The Moscow News talks with Sergei Melnikov, a test pilot with the Sukhoi aircraft holding, about the past, present and future of military aviation.
An interesting interview with a Sukhoi test pilot. He also gives his views on the Russian Air Force.
 

Feanor

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Not much in terms of information there. However it's strange that he says pilots don't get to fly for several years in the air force. Average pilot flight hours are ~40 annual. Now true some high readyness units (like the MiG-31's in the far east) get far more, meaning someone must get far less. But from what I remember a pilot needs to have flown a certain number of hours before he can graduate from school.
 

Haavarla

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Haavarla

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Does any one know if those 2 patches i marked in red, is part of the IR-detection grid?
 
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nevidimka

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It is the same as the 1 that started appearing with the Su 30 MKM. I believe it was something to do with traffic management on land?
 

Haavarla

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It is the same as the 1 that started appearing with the Su 30 MKM. I believe it was something to do with traffic management on land?

Well.. i think the same patches is located at the mid-lower end of each tailfins and on each wing tip too?



Anyone?
 
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Salty Dog

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These strips are clearly seen on these photos of a Su-35 on the vert stabs and aft of the cockpit.

Looks to me like sensors for the RWR.
 

Haavarla

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It would be my guessing too.
It makes sense i think.

How about the OLS?
It has the big "eye" just outside the cockpit. Two smaller "eyes" under each of the engine fuselage.
And last, on top aft vert stab.??

If so, how good is the overall OLS coverage envelope?
 
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Haavarla

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It looks VERY cold in this picture, this was the "901" first flight in Feb 19 2008.

Rather hostile conditions for the first test flight.

This is outside Moscow at Zhukovsky airfield.
It's not uncomon with temp down below -20C` in mid-winter here..
 
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Haavarla

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I was skimmering a another forum, when i found this piece on the Su-35-01 SuperCruise progress:

Russia & CIS Observer / Archive / №3 (22) August 2008 / DEFENSE / Sukhoi Su-35 Achieves Supercruise Flight /

Vladimir Karnozov
Russia's new Sukhoi Su-35 fighter is already showing its high-performance capabilities. This new single-seat aircraft — which combines the proven Su-27 Flanker airframe, 16% more powerful engines and a totally new set of onboard systems — is said to have reached supercruise speed, a distinct feature of fifth-generation fighters.
According to Sukhoi's strategy, the introduction of its single-seat Su-35 multirole fighter as a "4++" generation of combat jets will help maintain sales of the Flanker aircraft series until an exportable fifth-generation fighter becomes available. The Su-35 also will serve as a platform for testing the onboard systems of is intended next-generation successor.
The importance of this new aircraft in the Russian defense doctrine is so high that on the day after its 55-minute maiden flight in February 2008, the Su-35 prototype was inspected by the country's President Vladimir Putin and his successor Dmitry Medvedev. Sukhoi test pilot Sergei Bogdan briefed the Kremlin guests on the fighter. He recalls that the first question Vladimir Putin asked was: "Will the fifth generation fighter differ in appearance to this one?" The answer was: "Yes, it will. The fifth generation fighter is to have a totally redesigned airframe, while keeping [the Su-35's] onboard systems."

Surplus power:

During the test flight at the highest thrust regime without the use of afterburner the Su-35 achieved Mach 1.1 speed and was still accelerating
By late June, the no. 1 flying prototype had completed 13 test missions. These were devoted to assessment of the airplane's stability and controllability, maneuvering characteristics and powerplant performance. In addition, the operation of onboard systems was closely monitored. Having received a generally positive assessment of the aircraft, Sukhoi sent it into the supersonic regime. On mission 12, the airplane accelerated to Mach 1.2 at medium altitudes (up to 6,000 meters). The next flight went as high as 11,000 meters and reached speeds of Mach 1.3.
Importantly, the airplane demonstrated its ability to maintain supersonic speed at military power (the highest thrust regime without the use of afterburner). Sergei Bogdan selected his words carefully, but did state: "At medium altitudes and with military power, the airplane was making a moderate supersonic speed and still accelerating. In one of the flights, I achieved Mach 1.1, and while the aircraft could accelerate further, I had to slow down because I was approaching the end of our supersonic flight zone."
Sukhoi continues assessments of the recorded parameters in order to determine whether the airplane had actually attained supercruise. Additionally, the company continues to define altitudes, weights, external and internal loads at which the Su-35 can reach its supercruise performance. A number of additional missions shall be devoted to these assessments.
"The power reserve is clearly seen when the Su-35 is accompanied by a Su-30," Bogdan says. "During the very first mission, I had the chance to assess how well the Su-35 responds to the throttle. When I was accelerating at combat power, the chase plane's pilot had to use afterburner from time to time. And still, he was going slower."
In afterburner, the Su-35 accelerates much faster than the original Flanker. This is due to the increase in engine power at full afterburner from 12,500 to 14,500 kgf. During takeoff, the ground run is shorter, as the pilot is given much more freedom in pulling back on the stick. The onboard computer takes responsibility for preventing tail strike and other unwanted consequences of over-rotation. With smart computer control over critical regimes, the Su-35 can become airborne much faster than legacy fighters, taking full advantage of excessive power and superagility.

Artificial intellect:

Generally speaking, an "artificial intellect" takes care of everything in the Su-35, easing the pilot's job. "In the air, the aircraft feels smooth and comfortable, obedient and highly responsive at the same time," one program designer said. "The computers also care for the airplane's 'crisp reaction' to a pilot's input. For example, the computer activates the rudder to automatically compensate for any yaw effects that can originate from pilot deflecting the stick sideways for banking with the ailerons. In 'classic' airplanes, it is the pilot's job to compensate for cross-channel influence, a skill he amasses as his flight experience grows."
Powerful onboard computers significantly improve the Su-35's responsiveness and reaction time compared to the original Su-27. Experienced pilots flying both the MiG-29 with its mechanical linkage and the "fly-by-wire" Su-27 routinely praise the MiG's better responsiveness. They also feel a short delay in the Flanker's response to control inputs. Even when pilots prefer the Su-27 over the MiG, they'd like to eliminate the Su-27's flight control delays — something that will be a reality on the Su-35. Bogdan claims Sukhoi achieved a real breakthrough in the field of controllability with the Su-30MKI — a follow-on version to the Su-27. Most of the new algorithms for the successor Su-35 were successfully evaluated on the Su-30MKI. The Su-35 builds on the Su-30MKI's experience, and goes even further in the area of computer-aided flight controls. In part, this improvement is due to the use of an all-new system for the measurement of airborne parameters, employing latest technology.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=85695

Have anyone seen this before and is this reliable?
 

nevidimka

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That is a very good article. Finally some mach numbers for its Supercruise. I think the article is reliable as it is logical.

Achieving mach 1.2 at 6000 meters where the air is more denser is quite good for that heavy plane.

But Is this the final engine type that was meant for the SU 35 BM or is this achieved with a developmental engine?
 
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