The Arjun Tank

[Waylander]

I am aware of the upgrades for the algerian T-90s.
Ok, maybe I used the wrong words. I was just concentrating onto the designation of export T-90s.

Every T-90 coming out of Russia is going to be a T-90S.
I expect every future customer to get a new designation with additional letters like the T-90SA for Algeria.
For example a T-90SG if Georgia would order some T-90s (Yeah, I know how unlikely it is...).

The T-90S for India are not named T-90SI because they were the first customer.

I hope my new post doesn't add additonal confusion. :shudder

 

[DavidDCM]

So the statement by the journalist that the new batch of Indian T-90 is going to be T-90M is bullshìt? He says (for those who didn't read the text ) that the 347 new tanks are more expensive per-unit than the 310 first tanks because they will be T-90M instead of T-90S, which according to him, is an "extensive upgrade".

 

[eckherl]

I am aware of the upgrades for the algerian T-90s.
Ok, maybe I used the wrong words. I was just concentrating onto the designation of export T-90s.

Every T-90 coming out of Russia is going to be a T-90S.
I expect every future customer to get a new designation with additional letters like the T-90SA for Algeria.
For example a T-90SG if Georgia would order some T-90s (Yeah, I know how unlikely it is...).

The T-90S for India are not named T-90SI because they were the first customer.

I hope my new post doesn't add additonal confusion. :shudder

I do not know if Russia will give each country a designation, I guess we will just have to waite and see who the next purchaser is and see how Russia handles that transaction. I was told that the main reason why Russia gave Algerian T-90s that designation was because of the additional upgrades over the Indian model.

 

[eckherl]

So the statement by the journalist that the new batch of Indian T-90 is going to be T-90M is bullshìt? He says (for those who didn't read the text ) that the 347 new tanks are more expensive per-unit than the 310 first tanks because they will be T-90M instead of T-90S, which according to him, is an "extensive upgrade".

India is not getting any T-90s with a M or A designation, these are pure Russian army designations, they will be T-90S models. as far as upgrades, they are supposed to be getting APUs and AC units, I do not believe that they have decided on a countermeasure package as of yet.

 

[Feanor]

Tamanskaya and Kantemirovsakaya will fully equiped with T-90A till the end of 2010 if I remember right. It's like 400 tanks. 2005-31 tank, 2006-31, 2007-31, 2008 - 62. It means 2009-2010 they must to produce 250 tanks. It's very possible for UVZ. As I calculated above, the financial plans suppose 150-250 tanks a year for Russian forces in near future.

So until the end of '10 they still have some UD's left in service.

 

[eckherl]

Tamanskaya and Kantemirovsakaya will fully equiped with T-90A till the end of 2010 if I remember right. It's like 400 tanks. 2005-31 tank, 2006-31, 2007-31, 2008 - 62. It means 2009-2010 they must to produce 250 tanks. It's very possible for UVZ. As I calculated above, the financial plans suppose 150-250 tanks a year for Russian forces in near future.

Are these some of your buddies.. I wish that my country would let civilians drive around and get the feel of a maingun busting some caps. All the glory dury a war comes in the form of armored warfare, not being a fighter jock or a captain of a ship and as soon as civilians see this then we will get to walk around with chips on our shoulders.nfloorl:

 

[eckherl]

So until the end of '10 they still have some UD's left in service.

Is that a bad thing to keep T-80 UDs around.

 

[Feanor]

Is that a bad thing to keep T-80 UDs around.

No. I'm just trying to get the makeup of the armored units straight in my mind. I hope they start re-arming something other then the Moscow MD sometime soon. (Yes I am aware that the modernized Flankers are deployed to the Far East).

 

[eckherl]

No. I'm just trying to get the makeup of the armored units straight in my mind. I hope they start re-arming something other then the Moscow MD sometime soon. (Yes I am aware that the modernized Flankers are deployed to the Far East).

I believe that you will see T-80UDs around for quite awhile, is it true in order for these units to preserve their T-80UDs that they actually use T-80BVs for gunnery and field exercises. I was informed that the T-80BVs are in excellant condition and were part of stored war stocks.

 

[Feanor]

I believe that you will see T-80UDs around for quite awhile, is it true in order for these units to preserve their T-80UDs that they actually use T-80BVs for gunnery and field exercises. I was informed that the T-80BVs are in excellant condition and were part of stored war stocks.

I've heard some thing to this end. I don't have any definite info. I'll see if I can find anything on it for you.

 

[Waylander]

Would be a pretty good idea. I expect spare parts from the Ukraine might be a little bit expensive, especially when one has nearly new T-80BV in your warehouses.

@Eckherl
The US army has no open base days where some civilians can drive around with the tracks (I mean as a passenger at the loaders station)?
We also have some civil companies here in Germany where one can drive around (This time as a driver) with old T-55s, BMPs and some other stuff.
This sort of stuff gets more and more popular here.

 

[eckherl]

Would be a pretty good idea. I expect spare parts from the Ukraine might be a little bit expensive, especially when one has nearly new T-80BV in your warehouses.

@Eckherl
The US army has no open base days where some civilians can drive around with the tracks (I mean as a passenger at the loaders station)?
We also have some civil companies here in Germany where one can drive around (This time as a driver) with old T-55s, BMPs and some other stuff.
This sort of stuff gets more and more popular here.

We have never done this due to liability issues in the event someone gets hurt. I did have one exception though inregards to a child that had a terminal illness, he was part of the Make A Wish Foundation here in the U.S, his wish was to actually get on a tank and have a look around. I spent the whole entire day driving him around, giving him a tour of the motorpool and letting him practice shooting in the UCOFT, afterwords we gave him a battalion coin and a certificate making him a member of our unit, his mother and father told me that they had not seen brightness with the likes that where in his eyes that day, I was quite pleased with the U.S Army that they would do this.

I wish though that they would start doing this in my country, there are private collectors throughout the country that do conduct this with older equipment. I was told that in Ukraine you can actually go out and pay to shoot a tank or ride in a fighter, that would be neat for the average civilian.

 

[Waylander]

Shooting with a tank? Wow, I mean this is something totally different to just drive around in them. Just to get all the necessary permissions (Ok it's Ukraine, a big chunk of € should help...). And it should be expensive as hell.

Maybe the Indian DRDO should start a marketing tour with the first Arjuns coming out of the factory.
Let some children take a ride, let some adults play with the turret and simulators, crunsh a car and dome some pritty fireworks like in a dog and pony show.

Maybe opinion switches towards the Arjun.

 

[niteshkjain]

Ajay sahab is becoming a boxer or what?

check this guys:
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2008/07/its-war-and-you-can-win-it-for-arjun.html

 

[eckherl]

Shooting with a tank? Wow, I mean this is something totally different to just drive around in them. Just to get all the necessary permissions (Ok it's Ukraine, a big chunk of € should help...). And it should be expensive as hell.

Maybe the Indian DRDO should start a marketing tour with the first Arjuns coming out of the factory.
Let some children take a ride, let some adults play with the turret and simulators, crunsh a car and dome some pritty fireworks like in a dog and pony show.

Maybe opinion switches towards the Arjun.

I would be more than happy to pick up a Arjun and tank crew and give it a 30 day trial. Then they could hand over a T-90S and let me evaluate that to, I promise that I would be very fair on my findings.

 

[eckherl]

Ajay sahab is becoming a boxer or what?

check this guys:
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2008/07/its-war-and-you-can-win-it-for-arjun.html

Excellant site, thanks for sharing.

 

[Feanor]

I would be more than happy to pick up a Arjun and tank crew and give it a 30 day trial. Then they could hand over a T-90S and let me evaluate that to, I promise that I would very fair on my findings.

You'll post all the results for us to see, right?

Oh and I didn't find anything on T-80UD trainings. It would make sense that they use teh BV's instead, but then again with most of the UD's being retired over the next few years, it's probably a non-issue.

 

[DavidDCM]

Are there any differences between T-80UD and T-80BV regarding crew operation? I mean would a gunner have to do anything different in a T-80UD than he would have to in a T-80BV?

 

[Chrom]

Are there any differences between T-80UD and T-80BV regarding crew operation? I mean would a gunner have to do anything different in a T-80UD than he would have to in a T-80BV?

Yes, they have different FC system, different sights and different ATGM's. I dont know however in details how both system operate, so cant say if the difference is very large or not.

 

[eckherl]

Are there any differences between T-80UD and T-80BV regarding crew operation? I mean would a gunner have to do anything different in a T-80UD than he would have to in a T-80BV?

The biggest issue would be the gunners sighting system for adverse or night time conditions, you will notice that BV still uses a IR searchlight.