The Arjun Tank
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Not sure, DRDO developed a micro-cooling system for Arjun (FCS and Crew).
BTW the FI is issued for APU and AC. I assumed that it will be from Russia as vendor is required to furnish authorization from OEM or should be OEM. I can't imagine Russians authorising any one else!
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It will be interesting to see where they mount the APU at, If I am not mistaken the Russians seem to place them at the left rear part of the hull on the T- 80 series.
To elaborate a little on the micro cooling system (cooling blankets ) if I am not mistaken DRDO drew this technology on what Israel has tried on the Merkava series tanks.
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niteshkjain
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When this arjun saga will end 
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal...-of-indigenous-main-battle-tank_10073681.html
July 20th, 2008 - 2:03 pm ICT by IANS - Email This Post Email This Post
By Ritu Sharma
New Delhi, July 20 (IANS)
In a desperate bid to save the main battle tank (MBT) Arjun it has developed, the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) had suggested a joint assessment of the vehicle with the Indian Army to keep the project alive but this has been summarily rejected by the army. The army is also ambiguous on a suggestion by the DRDO that the tank be assessed head-to-head with the T-90 MBTs the army currently operates.
“Following the army’s adverse report on the tanks after winter trials last year, the DRDO had suggested a joint assessment be conducted but the army refused this outright,” a defence ministry official told IANS.
On its part, the Indian Army has made it clear that it will buy no more than the 124 Arjuns it has contracted for because it is unhappy with the tank on various counts. This apart, the army says the Arjun can at best remain in service for 5 to 10 years while it is looking 20 years ahead and needs a futuristic MBT.
The army had told a key parliamentary panel earlier this year that the Arjun, which has been in development for the last 36 years, failed to deliver at the winter trials conducted in the Rajasthan desert last year. The army said that many improvements would have to be carried out before it was satisfied with the tank.
Fourteen Arjun tanks were handed over to the Indian Army for user trials last year but were returned to the manufacturer - the Combat Vehicles Development Establishment - with a list of defects.
These included a deficient engine and fire control system, inaccuracy of its guns, low speeds in tactical areas - principally the desert - and the tank’s inability to operate in temperatures above 50 degrees Celsius.
Allegations of “sabotage” had surfaced after the winter trials.
“Following these reports, the DRDO sought a joint trial of Arjun and the T-90, but the army has not taken a clear stand on this,” the official said.
Drawing a comparison between the two tanks, DRDO says Arjun has a greater power-to-weight ratio, a hydro-pneumatic suspension for a more comfortable ride, a stable platform to fire on the move, and a superior fire control system.
“The Arjun costs Rs.168 million while the T-90 costs around Rs.120 million. But then, the Arjun compares favourably with contemporary western MBTs of its class that cost in the range of Rs.170 to 240 million,” a DRDO official said.
Minister of State for Defence Production Rao Inderjit Singh has also hinted at a conspiracy to “sabotage” the Arjun tank.
“The possibility of sabotage needs to be examined. The German engines fitted in the tanks were performing well for the past 15 years. I wonder what has happened to them overnight,” Singh had said in April, while commenting on the army’s assessment after the tank’s winter trials.
On its part, the army has rejected any suggestions of sabotage.
Arjun was meant to supplement and eventually replace the Soviet-era T-72 MBTs that were first inducted in the early 1980s.
However, delays in the Arjun project and Pakistan’s decision to purchase the T-80 from Ukraine prompted India to order 310 T-90s, an upgraded version of the T-72, in 2001.
Of these, 186 were assembled from kits at the Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi, near Chennai. An agreement was also signed for the licensed production of another 1,000 T-90s.
With the development of the Arjun delayed further, India last year signed a fresh contract with Russia to buy 330 more T-90s.
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal...-of-indigenous-main-battle-tank_10073681.html
July 20th, 2008 - 2:03 pm ICT by IANS - Email This Post Email This Post
By Ritu Sharma
New Delhi, July 20 (IANS)
In a desperate bid to save the main battle tank (MBT) Arjun it has developed, the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) had suggested a joint assessment of the vehicle with the Indian Army to keep the project alive but this has been summarily rejected by the army. The army is also ambiguous on a suggestion by the DRDO that the tank be assessed head-to-head with the T-90 MBTs the army currently operates.
“Following the army’s adverse report on the tanks after winter trials last year, the DRDO had suggested a joint assessment be conducted but the army refused this outright,” a defence ministry official told IANS.
On its part, the Indian Army has made it clear that it will buy no more than the 124 Arjuns it has contracted for because it is unhappy with the tank on various counts. This apart, the army says the Arjun can at best remain in service for 5 to 10 years while it is looking 20 years ahead and needs a futuristic MBT.
The army had told a key parliamentary panel earlier this year that the Arjun, which has been in development for the last 36 years, failed to deliver at the winter trials conducted in the Rajasthan desert last year. The army said that many improvements would have to be carried out before it was satisfied with the tank.
Fourteen Arjun tanks were handed over to the Indian Army for user trials last year but were returned to the manufacturer - the Combat Vehicles Development Establishment - with a list of defects.
These included a deficient engine and fire control system, inaccuracy of its guns, low speeds in tactical areas - principally the desert - and the tank’s inability to operate in temperatures above 50 degrees Celsius.
Allegations of “sabotage” had surfaced after the winter trials.
“Following these reports, the DRDO sought a joint trial of Arjun and the T-90, but the army has not taken a clear stand on this,” the official said.
Drawing a comparison between the two tanks, DRDO says Arjun has a greater power-to-weight ratio, a hydro-pneumatic suspension for a more comfortable ride, a stable platform to fire on the move, and a superior fire control system.
“The Arjun costs Rs.168 million while the T-90 costs around Rs.120 million. But then, the Arjun compares favourably with contemporary western MBTs of its class that cost in the range of Rs.170 to 240 million,” a DRDO official said.
Minister of State for Defence Production Rao Inderjit Singh has also hinted at a conspiracy to “sabotage” the Arjun tank.
“The possibility of sabotage needs to be examined. The German engines fitted in the tanks were performing well for the past 15 years. I wonder what has happened to them overnight,” Singh had said in April, while commenting on the army’s assessment after the tank’s winter trials.
On its part, the army has rejected any suggestions of sabotage.
Arjun was meant to supplement and eventually replace the Soviet-era T-72 MBTs that were first inducted in the early 1980s.
However, delays in the Arjun project and Pakistan’s decision to purchase the T-80 from Ukraine prompted India to order 310 T-90s, an upgraded version of the T-72, in 2001.
Of these, 186 were assembled from kits at the Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi, near Chennai. An agreement was also signed for the licensed production of another 1,000 T-90s.
With the development of the Arjun delayed further, India last year signed a fresh contract with Russia to buy 330 more T-90s.
" the tank’s inability to operate in temperatures above 50 degrees Celsius."
Didn't India just order an airconditioner to be fitter to T-90S because its firecontrol started to conk out at temps of 45 degree centigrade?!? Don't see these being rejected....
"a deficient engine "
The MTU 838 Ka 501 10 cyl. diesel is the same engine as in the Leopard 1 tank. You can buy one of these (used) for around $12000
Didn't India just order an airconditioner to be fitter to T-90S because its firecontrol started to conk out at temps of 45 degree centigrade?!? Don't see these being rejected....
"a deficient engine "
The MTU 838 Ka 501 10 cyl. diesel is the same engine as in the Leopard 1 tank. You can buy one of these (used) for around $12000
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hey guys,check out this interesting article,it seems that india is considering the joint development of its futuristic main battle tank with russia.
here is the link and the article:
http://www.hindu.com/2008/07/21/stories/2008072159191500.htm
Will consolidate edge over Pakistan’s T-80 MBT”
It will feature higher speed and better firepower
MOSCOW: Encouraged by the remarkable success of their pilot co-development defence project, the BrahMos missile, India and Russia are planning to design and build a futuristic main battle tank.
Defence industry experts will discuss the new project when a delegation of the Russian Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) tank-building factory visits India this week to participate in an international seminar on the Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT) organised by the Army along with the Confederation of Indian Industry.
The two sides have already had preliminary discussions on the issue, according to UVZ Director General Nikolai Malykh.
Similar proposal
“We put forward this idea [of a joint tank project] at the turn of the 21st century,” he told journalists in Moscow. “The Indian side has now come up with a similar proposal. We will take the first step when our experts go to India to attend a conference on the future tank and prospects for the tank-building industry.”
A leading Russian defence expert says it makes good sense for India and Russia to join hands in building a futuristic tank.
“The new tank will consolidate India’s edge over the Pakistani Army armed with Ukraine’s potent T-80 MBT and the Al-Khalid MBT built jointly with China and Ukraine,” Ruslan Pukhov, Director, Centre for Analysis and Technologies, said.
“Russia’s Uralvagonzavod would be the best partner for India in designing and building the new tank given a long history of its cooperation with the Heavy Vehicles Factory in Avadi in the production of T-72 and T-90S MBTs.”
India has purchased over 1,600 T-90S MBTs built by the UVZ of which 1,000 will be manufactured at the Avadi plant.
The Indo-Russian MBT is likely to incorporate the best features of prototype tanks developed at Russia’s leading tank-building plants — UVZ and Omsk Transport Machine-Building Plant — which are now being merged into a single corporation.
Armour protection
According to the Moscow Defence Brief magazine, the new tank will mark a great step forward in armour technology. It will feature higher speed, better firepower, sophisticated armour protection and a low silhouette. An armour-protected crew compartment will be sealed from the unmanned turret equipped with an automatic loader.
The crew will be provided with a virtual-reality command information system linked to reconnaissance aircraft and will enjoy a smoother ride thanks to a new hydro-pneumatic suspension.
The new tank is likely to have a new main gun of up to 152 mm calibre and a new hunter-killer fire control system with target acquisition in optical, thermal, infrared and radar spectrums that will be accessible both to the gunner and tank commander, the Moscow Defence Brief said.
here is the link and the article:
http://www.hindu.com/2008/07/21/stories/2008072159191500.htm
Will consolidate edge over Pakistan’s T-80 MBT”
It will feature higher speed and better firepower
MOSCOW: Encouraged by the remarkable success of their pilot co-development defence project, the BrahMos missile, India and Russia are planning to design and build a futuristic main battle tank.
Defence industry experts will discuss the new project when a delegation of the Russian Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) tank-building factory visits India this week to participate in an international seminar on the Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT) organised by the Army along with the Confederation of Indian Industry.
The two sides have already had preliminary discussions on the issue, according to UVZ Director General Nikolai Malykh.
Similar proposal
“We put forward this idea [of a joint tank project] at the turn of the 21st century,” he told journalists in Moscow. “The Indian side has now come up with a similar proposal. We will take the first step when our experts go to India to attend a conference on the future tank and prospects for the tank-building industry.”
A leading Russian defence expert says it makes good sense for India and Russia to join hands in building a futuristic tank.
“The new tank will consolidate India’s edge over the Pakistani Army armed with Ukraine’s potent T-80 MBT and the Al-Khalid MBT built jointly with China and Ukraine,” Ruslan Pukhov, Director, Centre for Analysis and Technologies, said.
“Russia’s Uralvagonzavod would be the best partner for India in designing and building the new tank given a long history of its cooperation with the Heavy Vehicles Factory in Avadi in the production of T-72 and T-90S MBTs.”
India has purchased over 1,600 T-90S MBTs built by the UVZ of which 1,000 will be manufactured at the Avadi plant.
The Indo-Russian MBT is likely to incorporate the best features of prototype tanks developed at Russia’s leading tank-building plants — UVZ and Omsk Transport Machine-Building Plant — which are now being merged into a single corporation.
Armour protection
According to the Moscow Defence Brief magazine, the new tank will mark a great step forward in armour technology. It will feature higher speed, better firepower, sophisticated armour protection and a low silhouette. An armour-protected crew compartment will be sealed from the unmanned turret equipped with an automatic loader.
The crew will be provided with a virtual-reality command information system linked to reconnaissance aircraft and will enjoy a smoother ride thanks to a new hydro-pneumatic suspension.
The new tank is likely to have a new main gun of up to 152 mm calibre and a new hunter-killer fire control system with target acquisition in optical, thermal, infrared and radar spectrums that will be accessible both to the gunner and tank commander, the Moscow Defence Brief said.
wow!!
seems to me like a FCS( future combat system ) and T-95 hybrid.
if this happens it will be great for the indian tank building industry,not to mention it will cut down the R&D time and cost.
WOW. now that would be awsome.
seems to me like a FCS( future combat system ) and T-95 hybrid.
if this happens it will be great for the indian tank building industry,not to mention it will cut down the R&D time and cost.
And it'll shoot lazers out of the helmets of the crew. Pew pew.
Seriously. The description smacks so much of the theoretical future tank designs that UVZ and Omsk Transmash have been talking about (but not producing sic!) that it sounds more like an ad then like a description of a real tank. Earlier last year UVZ said that the new tank would be shown publically in 2008. Until we see it and have at least some of the technical specs for it (the real ones, not the theoretical ones) all the descriptions of this sort are next to worthless.
hey guys,here is an inteersting link on the t-95 concept tank,i dont how genuine the source is however it shows some commonality in the article mentioned above.
heer is the link:
http://russianarmor.info/Tanks/MBT/t-95.html
heer is the link:
http://russianarmor.info/Tanks/MBT/t-95.html
Do you really mean T-84?
Because this MBT is build and has been developed in the Ukraine and I doubt that russia does the marketing for it.
Maybe India got an additional offer from Ukraine?
At least India could have been sure that that the T-84 is a step forward compared to the T-80 of Pakistan as both are built by the same company.
yes it is t-84 (atleast that's what i believe is known as the black eagle).Do you really mean T-84?
Because this MBT is build and has been developed in the Ukraine and I doubt that russia does the marketing for it.
Maybe India got an additional offer from Ukraine?
At least India could have been sure that that the T-84 is a step forward compared to the T-80 of Pakistan as both are built by the same company.
No, the black eagle is a different desing of a proposed next generation tank (objetc 640 IIRC) by a russian company.
The company, KBTM design bureau from Omsk, is now bancrupt and it looks like this design is never going to see the light of day.
The T-84 Oplot is an evolved version of the T-80 and build in the Ukraine by a company of which I always forget the name.
But it's the same company which build the T-80s for Pakistan.
The company, KBTM design bureau from Omsk, is now bancrupt and it looks like this design is never going to see the light of day.
The T-84 Oplot is an evolved version of the T-80 and build in the Ukraine by a company of which I always forget the name.
But it's the same company which build the T-80s for Pakistan.
niteshkjain
New Member
I think this page might be of interestNo, the black eagle is a different desing of a proposed next generation tank (objetc 640 IIRC) by a russian company.
The company, KBTM design bureau from Omsk, is now bancrupt and it looks like this design is never going to see the light of day.
The T-84 Oplot is an evolved version of the T-80 and build in the Ukraine by a company of which I always forget the name.
But it's the same company which build the T-80s for Pakistan.
http://russianarmor.info/Tanks/MBT/n_tagil.html
Are you sure that it doesn`t have the designation of object or item number 640.
Lets be realistic here, there is going to be a time when the Indian political structure is going to stop letting Army generals have their way with equipment procurements due to bribes and any other rubbish that goes along with it, the beloved T-90S procurement came along with some major reliability issues that did not need to be there. After the unjust treatment that DRDO recieved with Arjun I will not be surprised if the Indian army doesn`t get its wings clipped, and rightfully so, with your economy on a steady rise you can afford to fire a couple of army staff members to get the rest to fall in line. The chances that India will produce a future tank with Russia is slim.
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Typical propaganda or theories that has been formed on the internet, we will have to see it to believe it.
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You left out the UD designation.No, the black eagle is a different desing of a proposed next generation tank (objetc 640 IIRC) by a russian company.
The company, KBTM design bureau from Omsk, is now bancrupt and it looks like this design is never going to see the light of day.
The T-84 Oplot is an evolved version of the T-80 and build in the Ukraine by a company of which I always forget the name.
But it's the same company which build the T-80s for Pakistan.
Sorry, but what has this to do with it? A page about the small amount of speculative infos about the T-95.
This proposed new design has nohing to do with the black eagle. It is a totally different design.
It doesn't contradict with what I said. The T-84 is an evolved T-80 build and developed in Ukraine while the black eagle (object 640) is a dead project by a bankrupt russian company.
Exactly. A little peice of news, the manufacturing base of Omsk Transmash is being sold off. Their repair assets have been bought and will be turned into a maintenance center for current Russian T-80 units. The production plant is still up for grabs. We'll see what happens.