Yes, most of the time join exercise is appropriate, but without radar on.
However, If not mistaken, Indian shown their Ks not MKIs.
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However, If not mistaken, Indian shown their Ks not MKIs.
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Also the IAF sent a detatchment of SU-30MKI's to the UK to train with the RAF last year. They had a few mock dogfights with some Tornado F3's and Typhoons. The USAF sent a Rivet Joint to the area at the same time (triky ba$tards) to see what they could dig up. It seems the MKI's were not allowed to use their radars on that one (for good reason).
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Interesting! do you have a link of these exercise's report?
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Well have no idea about Cope India 2006, but AFAIK there were no solid evidence that MKIs did on there radar in Cope India 05. In fact, the U.S counterpart did not bring mid range active homing weapons, and most of the reports only discribe an assult scenario involving AWACS guiding the defence side.
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lol.. i find dangerous to comment on whether the model's 1st user had ever unviel their secret. However, the tape thing you mention i have some corrections. Must one know, a tape or intelligence from spy is one thing, thats mostly analyst aka guessing, while being shown an actually example, and feel it physically is another thing. Far from each other.
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The only reason I made a comment at all is your "prying eyes of US" comment you make it sound like only the US does things like that. For all we know that
Rivet Joint aircraft might have been on a simple training hop just taking in all the fun and sun. Everybody under the sun does the same or similar things daily is all I'm trying to say.
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I'm not sure what you mean by the 'model's user". It's not dangerous to comment on such matter where I live.
It's not analyst aka guessing at all it's common practice. Information can be gathered in many ways besides sending a Rivet Joint aircraft. Could be a very quite sub right off of India's coast picking up the useful information while Indian squadron are training any day of the week.
The only reason I made a comment at all is your "prying eyes of US" comment you make it sound like only the US does things like that. For all we know that
Rivet Joint aircraft might have been on a simple training hop just taking in all the fun and sun. Everybody under the sun does the same or similar things daily is all I'm trying to say.
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I think everything matters when you show what you got to the US when its not coming from them. They will certainly develop new ways to counter it in terms of weapons, tactics, information etc2, n those will gradually find its way to Malaysia's neigbours operating US aircrafts.
Do you catch my drift?
Do you catch my drift?
tactics, information
It's more then just the US gradually slipping information to Malaysia because they might be a little more friendly with them then another country, it's much bigger then that. All developing nations do it in some form. We live in a world of information and gathering is part of it. It goes way past collecting info on weapons, tactics, but into private business and industry as well. Collecting military info is important for sure don't get me wrong but we rather put up a chain of hotels in your country and have your companies/people invest in our markets then sell a squadron of F-16s, we make more. It's the most left out part of aircraft and other weapon deals are the off-set parts. That's why getting a straight price on fighters is always difficult. For example you may here about the US selling (24) F-16s to a country but you don't hear about US companies must invest so much in the buyers country? When Russia sold the Su-30 MKM Flanker to Malaysia didn't Russia buy into a project or offer to help in research of something? There's usually something the seller does in the buyer country I'm not saying its equal but its usually some sort of investment.
It's more then just the US gradually slipping information to Malaysia because they might be a little more friendly with them then another country, it's much bigger then that. All developing nations do it in some form. We live in a world of information and gathering is part of it. It goes way past collecting info on weapons, tactics, but into private business and industry as well. Collecting military info is important for sure don't get me wrong but we rather put up a chain of hotels in your country and have your companies/people invest in our markets then sell a squadron of F-16s, we make more. It's the most left out part of aircraft and other weapon deals are the off-set parts. That's why getting a straight price on fighters is always difficult. For example you may here about the US selling (24) F-16s to a country but you don't hear about US companies must invest so much in the buyers country? When Russia sold the Su-30 MKM Flanker to Malaysia didn't Russia buy into a project or offer to help in research of something? There's usually something the seller does in the buyer country I'm not saying its equal but its usually some sort of investment.
Hi Rock45, I think you dont get me. I'm not suggesting that Malaysia views US as an enemy. Fact is Malaysia n US have a friendly relations, but MAF have already bought the Russian planes, so theres no going back on that.
These planes are considered 1 of the best from the Russain block n present new level of sophsticated threat that will become more common as more countries buys into the latest gen flankers. Hence its logical to say that US will be developing methods,technology to overcome them as a future threat.
As I was saying some of the countries in Asia Pasific are much closer US allies n have a very strong defence coop with US, including taking part in RED Flag exercises. Whatever US learns, will certainly get to these allied countries by direct contact.
Which is why I'd prefer MAF to show restraint when exposing these non US/NATO tech for open display of its capablities. It is in the best interest of MAF.
These planes are considered 1 of the best from the Russain block n present new level of sophsticated threat that will become more common as more countries buys into the latest gen flankers. Hence its logical to say that US will be developing methods,technology to overcome them as a future threat.
As I was saying some of the countries in Asia Pasific are much closer US allies n have a very strong defence coop with US, including taking part in RED Flag exercises. Whatever US learns, will certainly get to these allied countries by direct contact.
Which is why I'd prefer MAF to show restraint when exposing these non US/NATO tech for open display of its capablities. It is in the best interest of MAF.
Russian planes
Hi nevidimka
I understand much better now and I think your right somewhere down the road some allied countries using American equipment will get "special instructions" on how to deal with other countries weapons platforms.
I also think the Su-30 MKM Flanker is a deadly capable platform with room to grow. One of the areas where I would like to see more of its capabilities shown is in the attack form, both land and sea. Even with India's MKI Flankers you don't hear about the air to ground capabilities much basically air to air. I think this is a good selling point that Russia doesn't push enough.
Hi nevidimka
I understand much better now and I think your right somewhere down the road some allied countries using American equipment will get "special instructions" on how to deal with other countries weapons platforms.
I also think the Su-30 MKM Flanker is a deadly capable platform with room to grow. One of the areas where I would like to see more of its capabilities shown is in the attack form, both land and sea. Even with India's MKI Flankers you don't hear about the air to ground capabilities much basically air to air. I think this is a good selling point that Russia doesn't push enough.
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