RMAF Future; need opinions

[qwerty223]

The strike capability of a rhino would be hard to match but in general terms i think your right. The US isnt going to sell Sh block 2. Malaysia would be much smarter from a capability and logistical standpoint buying annother squadron of MKM's. Backed up by a decent AEW&C it'll be a fearsome capability. the only thing you'll really miss is J series PGM's, the russians dont have anything in that leuge, however russian laser guided stuff is great and would still give MAF a serious presision strike capability. A single platform as capable as SU 30MKM makes sense for a number of reasons. Why the MAF insists on having russian and American platforms with two different sets of weapons, spares, procedures and maintinance requirements is beyonde me.

Since we were never a true friend of US and we dont want to scarify our independency on it, an alternative source have to be chosen, apparently, we chose Russian instead of Europeans.

 

[nevidimka]

PLus its not worthwhile for Malaysia to get second grade weaponry from US while they continue to sell advanced stuff to Singapore.

The su30 mkm platform is capable of integrating european weapons. It could also be updated to fire weapons currently being designed for the upcoming PAK-FA. So it makes sence to invest on the mkm alone.

I believe India is planning to integrate the MBDA's Meteor BVRAAM. That should also be applicable to the mkm.

 

[paskal]

i just bought the new series of the malaysian magazine TEMPUR.
I was lookin at the selection of the AEW that will be the most likely that the RMAF will buy.
What do you all think of the best suite for malaysian territory?

If you ask me ill choose the Sweden Saab 2000 eriye.
I was reading it closely.Its detection range is beyond singapore and indonesia.
It will suite perfectly for maritime petrol and air patrole.

the malaysian defence minister have already seen the Saab 2000 during LIMa and have expressed intrest in it,
I think with the Saab and the Su-30mkm the RMAF will be a force that shouldnt be reckon with!

Please give ur oppinion.

 

[swerve]

...If you ask me ill choose the Sweden Saab 2000 eriye.
I was reading it closely.Its detection range is beyond singapore and indonesia.
It will suite perfectly for maritime petrol and air patrole.

the malaysian defence minister have already seen the Saab 2000 during LIMa and have expressed intrest in it,...

The only problem I would see with the Saab 2000 is that the aircraft is no longer in production. I presume those that Pakistan is buying are refurbished secondhand airframes, unless Saab had some built but unsold aircraft stored.

But Erieye can be fitted to other aircraft. The Brazilians, Greeks & Mexicans use the EMB-145, & the original Swedish Erieyes are fitted on Saab 340s.

 

[aneep]

my choice would be 4x Wedgetail
yes, expensive i know, but Turkey have bought some with mods which would be useful to Malaysian req

-aneep-

 

[Ryttare]

The only problem I would see with the Saab 2000 is that the aircraft is no longer in production. I presume those that Pakistan is buying are refurbished secondhand airframes, unless Saab had some built but unsold aircraft stored.

But Erieye can be fitted to other aircraft. The Brazilians, Greeks & Mexicans use the EMB-145, & the original Swedish Erieyes are fitted on Saab 340s.

Saab has as what I know a number of 2000's that they lease to airlines. The ones sold to Pakistan are refurbished to practically as good as new and I believe SwAF will do the same to improve the capability of their Erieye.

But as you say ERJ-145 is also an option and has the advantage of higher dash speed. On the other hand Saab 2000 has probably lower fuel costs and better performance when operating from hot and high places.

 

[Skyman]

If you ask me ill choose the Sweden Saab 2000 eriye.
I was reading it closely.Its detection range is beyond singapore and indonesia.
It will suite perfectly for maritime petrol and air patrole.

the malaysian defence minister have already seen the Saab 2000 during LIMa and have expressed intrest in it,
I think with the Saab and the Su-30mkm the RMAF will be a force that shouldnt be reckon with!

Please forgive me if this question sound so dumb, but do the ERIEYE system can 'talk' with the MKM?

 

[Tebuan]

Please forgive me if this question sound so dumb, but do the ERIEYE system can 'talk' with the MKM?

I doubt so without any modifications to the data link system. The SU-30 is reported to have its own Russian data link system in which a lead aircraft can function as a "mini-AWACS" and pass of targetting information to other aircraft in the flight. I believe the Erieye system has its own data link architecture and may not be possible to readily integrate.

 

[qwerty223]

Introduce___Type__________Initial#__Crash/Fatal#__Present#

1974_______F5E/F_____________22______5c/11f_______6
1983_______AERMACCHI Trainer__12______6c/2f________4
1983_______MiG-29N___________18______2c__________16
1994_______Hawk 108/208______28______9c__________19
1997_______F/A-18D____________8_______-__________8
2007_______Su-30MKM__________18______-__________Delivering
1980_______PC-130H Carrier______3_______-__________1+2tanker
1982_______PC-7Trainer_________44_____10c/4f_______30
1994_______B-200T MPA_________4_______-___________4
1995_______C-130-30 carrier______5______-___________5
2000/2006__CN-235 carrier_______8_______-___________8
1967-1978__Nuri (S61A-4)________3______15c_________28

This is the latest order of battle announced by Deputy MoD to the House of Commons yesterday.
Link

BTW, is there any function in this forum that i can make a table?

 

[weasel1962]

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[qwerty223]

The Aermacchi figures are abysmal. 50% losses through crashes is quite telling.

Time passes really fast. The Migs are already 24 years old and with only a 11% crash rate is quite a good figure. Once it goes past 30, rates are likely to go up exponentially.

Actually i m seeking answer why he said 1983 introduce MiGs. My guess is, they writer mess up with 1993

 

[weasel1962]

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[qwerty223]

Could be translation error. RMAF actually received the first 2 Migs in 1992. Alternatively, it could be that the Migs were not newbuilds. The latter is unlikely.

I email them and they say indeed is an error. Suppose to be 1993.

 

[weasel1962]

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[aneep]

from my experiences, China Press is a lot more credible compared to other newspapers when it comes to defence

 

[paskal]

Thanks for the link. With only 6 flight capable, I think the F5s will be disbanded soon. It has after all provided more than 30 years of sterling service.

The Aermacchi figures are abysmal. 50% losses through crashes is quite telling.

Time passes really fast. The Migs are already 24 years old and with only a 11% crash rate is quite a good figure. Once it goes past 30, rates are likely to go up exponentially.

In another 5 years, I would expect to see another procurement of Su30s to replace the Migs. The alternative might be to obtain the squadron of F18E/Fs. I still think another Su30 squadron procurement is more likely compared to the F18 replacement. We all know what is the Islamic view of the US. Politics will be the determining factor though cost of the Su30 is a big factor as well.

i personally think that the RMAF shouldnt go for the F-18 super hornet if the US is not giving the weapons neede ny the malaysia goverment!
As what i see the russians are giving all the weapons that mlaysia needs....
The two major weapons that the RMAF wants is the R-77 and the Kh-59ME and as what malaysia wants the russian give them with an open hand.

there is another 18 more MRCA that havent been fullfilled yet so i think the su-30 mkm will come sonner as expected to.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Malaysian_Air_Force

I also think that in the RMK-10 malaysia should go for the Awacs and the Mig-35.I think the malaysian mig-29 pilots could surely fly the mig-35 easily.
I heard the main reason the mig-29 is not so good is beacuse of the capibility of doing ground attacks.

well thats only my oppinion though!

 

[Tebuan]

SUKHOI SU-30 MKM WEAPONS:


AIR TO AIR MISSLE.....

RVV-AV ACTIVE[R-77]
R-73
R 27R1


AIR TO GROUND MISSLE.......

KH-29T
KH29 TE
KH-29L
KH-31A
KH-31P
KH-59 ME
KAB 500 KR
KAB 1500 KR

STATEGIC BOMBIMNG BOMB......

OFAB 100-120
OFAB 250-270
FAB 500

AND A NORMAL GSH-1 WITH A CALIBER OF 30MM:nutkick

this weapons will also be equipped to all malaysians mig-29

Do anyone of you have any idea what kind of laser designator/targetting pods have been chosen for the MKMs to be used in conjunction with the PGMs. The Indian MKIs are reportedly using Litening II pods. As these are of Israeli origin I am sure Malaysia will not have purchased them for sure. Did they buy any Russian or French equivalent pods?

 

[nevidimka]

its a french targeting pod.

 

[paskal]

Do anyone of you have any idea what kind of laser designator/targetting pods have been chosen for the MKMs to be used in conjunction with the PGMs. The Indian MKIs are reportedly using Litening II pods. As these are of Israeli origin I am sure Malaysia will not have purchased them for sure. Did they buy any Russian or French equivalent pods?

Its from french that comes also with the THALES system that the Su-30 mkm is equipped with.The malaysians didnt used the israelis ones due to certain political reason.:

 

[nevidimka]

I was just reading about the capabilities of the phalcon compard to the Erieye. It seems like the erieye just dont cut it. It even needs to send whatever data it receives to the ground basd controller for processing as there isnt dedicated on board processing like the phalcon.
I think its a very bad decision if the MAF goes for the Erieye. Plus the Phalcon was more capabilities like SAR combined in 1 aircraft.