RMAF Future; need opinions

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qwerty223

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weasel1962 said:
The F18's serviceability is like 88-100% whilst Mig serviceability is like 50-75% with 9% attrition losses. Which one is more worthwhile?
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OK. I sum my view into 3 factor.
1. Our b12 Fulcrums are in soviet standard, it is not fair to compare reliability in long term, but MLU will fix most of the flaws.

2. These airframe worth nothing in market, and since we had dump so much money in it, retiring will result the biggest lost. While continue to operate give a good buffer to the 3th ~ 4+th gen transformation, and of course, to maximize profit.

3. It is not about one's reliability is better than another. The fact that 4+th gen is still in a dispute stage, RAAF's 24 S. Hornets controversy had shown a good example. Why rush for tunning the AF up-side-down? As there is no immediate threat, we should take our time to do more survey, and then we choose the best of it.
 
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qwerty223

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weasel1962 said:
lol. Some people just cannot take facts.
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what a rude reply.
1. Please, post some link? Your link dont even support what you are pointing out. The figure you stated was either your misreading OR you were trying to mislead readers. And for the most, the article is blaming HAL for low quality service, thats all.
“Despite executing appropriate agreements with the original equipment manufacturer (OEM), establishment of adequate repair and maintenance facilities lagged way behind,” The CAG, in its latest report observed.
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2. There were lost, and crash happened short after they took off, why? It is obvious that inspection was not done carefully before they took off the ground. Korean crashed their million worth Eagles, a 1/6= 16% lost, Eagles is still the best heavy class fighter.
3. Yes, Fulcrum is always criticize for its "short leg". But how well did Hornet or even Falcon perform? both were ferry at 3000~5000km, but combat radius were drop to 600km. In contrast of Fulcrum's 2000km & 700km, it shows Fulcrum had a better factor of decrease upon weight load. Even you come up with a sophisticate equation that surpass my knowledge, still the money you saved will not enough to build a new squadron.
4. Dont forget your are comparing a revised version of Hornet to a baseline Fulcrum. If the Fulcrums has a chance of MLU, still a decent machine in the air Link.. And please provide a link to show how downside a SMT in contrast to the Hornet C/Ds?

The fact that you are an anti Fulcrumist. You put your mind to get rid of them, but never take the reality into account.

Ok. Please tell me, what will you do after you retire all the Fulcrums?
hmm let me guess:
1. Get 2nd hand Hornet C/Ds, retire them in 10 years to make way for 4+th gen? If so, pls dont criticize our government, u are jz the same.
2. Get S. Hornets? Wonder will they offer the true "Super" ones with AESA.
3. Get more MKM? U are rich! Americans must learn your courage to fill themselves with Raptor.
4. Get Gripen? U must be a Gripen fan, aren't you?

and please tell me, are you gona risk to break your own backbone, let it be for 3~5years before you can replace it?

What a short sighter.
 
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Can some of you keep themselves in check and deal with your personal grievances via PM.



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paskal

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whicho one is better please tell me:)

russian r-77 or american amraams:confused:

Mod edit: Direct comparison of systems "this vs. that" type discussions are not permitted. This is due to the tendencies people have in claiming one system is better than another for nationalistic or other irrelevant reasons. The actual performance data on most systems is generally classified and therefore someone making a claim of superiority/inferiority likely does not have the real data. Having said that, some information is available which allows statements like an this "An F-15 armed with AMRAAM-C5 will defeat a Typhoon armed with ASRAAM when in BVR combat.
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renjer

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Ladies and Gentlemen,

Here are some YouTube videos of the Su-30MKMs:

Low-level aerobactics;

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFCCt_j8Pi4"]YouTube - Su-30MKM Low Lvl Aerobatics[/ame]

Buzzing Pulau Perhentian tourist resort off the coast of Peninsular Malaysia;

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r16wgNvG7n0"]YouTube - Mig RMAF at Pulau Perhentian 2[/ame]
 
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qwerty223

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There are visible green spots on the mkm, can be seen right before they took off. I just want to double check with you guys, are they IR sensors?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K17uKg5VqM"]YouTube -Mantan's Su-30MKM night take off[/ame]
 
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qwerty223

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renjer said:
No, more likely flight formation markers.
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thank renjer. I share some of my view see if you agreed with it.
I revised my gallery and found this perfect pic to support my guess.
In the video, 0:12~0:09, the green spots match the arrangement of those IR sensors. An invert "L" at the tail, a dash on the wing and near the cockpit.
 
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paskal

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weasel1962 said:
Also stating some trivia on the Mig-29s as well. According to one source, the Mig-29 version (not incl UB version) was bought by the MAF with the following features:

RLPK-29ME radar aiming system, N019ME radar, OEPrNK-29-1E opto-electronic system (which includes the Ts100.02.07 digital computer, SYeI-31-1E integrated display and SUO-29M4 armament control system), SAU-451-06 autopilot, STR6-5 fuel management system, R-800L1 radio with 243Hz emergency channel and a FKP-EU film camera looking through the HUD. The changes made by the RMAF included installing an ARN-139 Tacan in place of the ARN-118(V), US-supplied ILS, IFF and GPS.

Manufacture was from series 52 and 53 with contract price at US$560 million.

Interestingly, the source also cited that in October 1997, a US$34.44mil contract was signed to double the external load from 2k kg to 4k kg, fit a FR probe and add the R-77 missile (in terms of capability but may not include missile transfers).

Lastly, all 9-12 series Migs which includes the RMAF migs can be retrofitted with the RD-33 series 2 or RD-133 3-D thrust vectoring engines.
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now malaysia mig-29 has the r-77 missles including the sukhois that malaysia purchased:)
 
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wzhtg

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Move to replace Nuris starts

KUALA LUMPUR: The international tender for new aircraft to replace the ageing fleet of Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) Nuri helicopters will open soon, said Deputy RMAF Chief Lt-Jen Datuk Bashir Abu Bakar.
“The RMAF has outlined the technical specifications. Everything has been submitted to the Defence Ministry’s procurement division,” he told reporters after opening HeliAsia 2007 here yesterday.
He said the tender assessment process would take between two and three months. The result is expected to be announced early next year.
Lt-Jen Bashir was commenting on the latest development regarding plans to replace the US-made Nuris which entered service in 1968.
He said the first phase of the replacement exercise would involve 12 helicopters.
The new helicopters would be able to operate in any weather condition, he said, adding that the Government had lost RM86.9mil from 15 Nuri accidents since 1968, which left 89 people dead, including 70 RMAF personnel.
The latest tragedy occurred in Genting Sempah near Genting Highlands in Pahang on July 13 in which six RMAF officers were killed. – Bernama




Note the bold words, the 1st phrase would involve 12 helicoptors. So it means that malaysia has plans to acquire more right? What number do you guys think would be sufficient for Malaysia's needs? 12 doesn't seem enough, I reckon at least 18 to 24.
 
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nevidimka

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I believe the MIg29's should be sold while they are still airworthy and use the funds to get the AWACS asap. ALso they should add another squadron of the su30mkm. waiting for the Superhornet would be useless as the US wont be selling the advanced weaponary available. Rather we should concentrate on exploiting the striking capability of the mkm with upcoming new russian and western weaponry.
 
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Ozzy Blizzard

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nevidimka said:
I believe the MIg29's should be sold while they are still airworthy and use the funds to get the AWACS asap. ALso they should add another squadron of the su30mkm. waiting for the Superhornet would be useless as the US wont be selling the advanced weaponary available. Rather we should concentrate on exploiting the striking capability of the mkm with upcoming new russian and western weaponry.
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The strike capability of a rhino would be hard to match but in general terms i think your right. The US isnt going to sell Sh block 2. Malaysia would be much smarter from a capability and logistical standpoint buying annother squadron of MKM's. Backed up by a decent AEW&C it'll be a fearsome capability. the only thing you'll really miss is J series PGM's, the russians dont have anything in that leuge, however russian laser guided stuff is great and would still give MAF a serious presision strike capability. A single platform as capable as SU 30MKM makes sense for a number of reasons. Why the MAF insists on having russian and American platforms with two different sets of weapons, spares, procedures and maintinance requirements is beyonde me.
 
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