The Royal Navy Discussions and Updates

[overlander]

if finally they decided to approve the cvf,s , these together with astutes, a modern amphibious fleet, 6-8 type 45 and 13 type 23 the r.n would be again the first navy in europe with a powerful punch, i hopè that the present and future governments know how much needed these 2 new carriers are for the defence of Britain and Europe as a whole.

 

[jaffo4011]

"Great Britain" isn't a member of anything. The United Kingdom (i.e. including Northern Ireland) is. The secession of one part of any state does not affect its membership of anything, as long as there is a clearly identifiable succession from the previous state. cf. the USSR. Russia still has its security council seat. The United Kingdom of England, Wales & Northern Ireland would carry on regardless if Scotland left. Only Scotlands status would be uncertain. It would have to apply for membership of just about everything, though in many cases it would be a formality.

just being a little 'picky' there i think swerve!

its actually;the united kingdom af great britain and northern ireland.:

 

[swerve]

just being a little 'picky' there i think swerve!

its actually;the united kingdom af great britain and northern ireland.:

Yes, but it wouldn't be if Scotland seceded, & I was referring to a hypothetical post-secession UK. It was a little play with the name. Read it again, & you should see.

 

[adsH]

No it isn't. The USA is our second biggest trading partner, after Germany, with France third (imports & exports combined). 7 of the top 10 are EU members. We import about 7 times as much from other EU members as from the USA, & export about 4 times as much to them as to the USA. NB: The difference is due to the USA importing far more than it exports: most countries have the USA ranked higher as a destination for exports than a source of imports.

http://www.uktradeinfo.com/ (HM Revenue & Customs)

And what about FDI, you'l need to give me abit more then a link and a brief explanation! Unfortunately people only consider Trade as important, they miss the poor old FDI, which raises our Competitiveness and inurn allowing us to compete better and then trade!

To be honest I am skeptical, that its Europe’s competitiveness that encourages imports from their (EU). Subsidies and No trade barriers play a role. If this doesn't exists I believe we could see the cheapness and the value US imports really offer the UK!,

In addition we have military ties interests; UK Military development has a considerable input from the US! I would certainly put more weight on US-UK relationship rather then EU-UK.

 

[overlander]

in your opinion what is the limited date to order the 2 new carriers ?, do you think they will be ordered before the summer ?, i hope that finally they will be ordered , with the new premier Gordon Brown being not a fan of spend much money in the armed forces, i am little worried about it

 

[harryriedl]

in your opinion what is the limited date to order the 2 new carriers ?, do you think they will be ordered before the summer ?, i hope that finally they will be ordered , with the new premier Gordon Brown being not a fan of spend much money in the armed forces, i am little worried about it

the popular opionin is that they will be ordered in gordy 100 hours i [i feel he is more pro mil than anti mil].

 

[swerve]

And what about FDI, you'l need to give me abit more then a link and a brief explanation! Unfortunately people only consider Trade as important, they miss the poor old FDI, which raises our Competitiveness and inurn allowing us to compete better and then trade!

To be honest I am skeptical, that its Europe’s competitiveness that encourages imports from their (EU). Subsidies and No trade barriers play a role. If this doesn't exists I believe we could see the cheapness and the value US imports really offer the UK!,
In addition we have military ties interests; UK Military development has a considerable input from the US! I would certainly put more weight on US-UK relationship rather then EU-UK.

Where did all this come from? I corrected a mistake about the relative importance of the US & EU to the UK, provided some evidence, & suddenly I'm being challenged to produce more evidence when I'm the only person who's provided any! If you think that US direct investment is such a big deal for the UK, come up with some figures. I think you'll be both surprised & disappointed. The USA has been a massive net recipient of FDI in recent years. On second thoughts, I'll save you the bother. Have a look at this - http://www.unctad.org/Templates/Page.asp?intItemID=2441&lang=1

As you see, the flows of FDI between the USA & UK are dwarfed by those between the UK & other European countries.

BTW, the USA subsidises selected exporters like mad, so you can't blame that for our relative lack of trade with the US.

 

[overlander]

i have read in the web page of richard beedall that they don,t expect the order for the carriers at least until july, after gordon brown become premier, this is the never ending story, i hope they finally order the carriers because if not it would be like if they were joking with this question all time, it,s time for the approval now.

 

[contedicavour]

Even the latest "The Economist" weekly edition is talking about the Royal Navy's embattled future. Curiously enough the magazine is pushing for building corvettes within a renewed FSC (future surface combatant) programme. There's a letter by an admiral requesting 6 type 45 and 23 corvette-sized FSCs !

cheers

 

[overlander]

acccording to jane,s web page it seems to be that further delays will happen with the ordering of the 2 new british carriers, France is pressing because they need the pa2 operational by 2015 but even with these pressures the british government is not able to know when they will be ordered. if things follow this way when these carriers will be operational ?? in 2016 - 17 - 18, NEVER, we will see.

 

[contedicavour]

acccording to jane,s web page it seems to be that further delays will happen with the ordering of the 2 new british carriers, France is pressing because they need the pa2 operational by 2015 but even with these pressures the british government is not able to know when they will be ordered. if things follow this way when these carriers will be operational ?? in 2016 - 17 - 18, NEVER, we will see.

France is from now and for 18 months without an aircraft carrier since De Gaulle is undergoing maintenance. No wonder it now urgently wants to start building a second carrier !

cheers

 

[overlander]

as richard beedall writes www.beedall.com and i agree with him only the french involvement in the building of the carriers is saving the cvf project from cancellation as French they are totally convinced that they need a second carrier, by now i can see the british counterparts are not so convinced of the need of the cvf.

 

[contedicavour]

as richard beedall writes www.beedall.com and i agree with him only the french involvement in the building of the carriers is saving the cvf project from cancellation as French they are totally convinced that they need a second carrier, by now i can see the british counterparts are not so convinced of the need of the cvf.

Well, France will for the 1st time be a key contributor to UK military strength wow who would have believed that :

Seriously the French are ready to build the carrier on their own if needed (although this would mean cutting funding for several other programmes to make up for the extra cost)

cheers

 

[harryriedl]

Well, France will for the 1st time be a key contributor to UK military strength wow who would have believed that :

Seriously the French are ready to build the carrier on their own if needed (although this would mean cutting funding for several other programmes to make up for the extra cost)

cheers

not exactly true if count all the prize taking in the age of sail all those ships must of made quite a large contributer to the royal navy

 

[harryriedl]

from the royal navy website that makes 4 astute class
Royal Navy to Get New Attack Submarine


The MoD has placed a £200 million contract with British industry for the construction of a new nuclear powered attack submarine, to be named HMS Audacious.

The 7,800 tonne boat, which will be equipped with the latest cruise missiles, is the fourth of the Astute class, the largest and most powerful attack submarines ever built in Britain for the Royal Navy. Assembly of the submarine is expected to start later this year.

Lord Drayson, Minister for Defence Equipment and Support said:

“Audacious will join the three other submarines of the Astute class already under construction at the BAE Systems shipyard at Barrow-in-Furness in Cumbria.

“Today’s announcement demonstrates our commitment to the attack submarine programme, as set out in the Defence Industrial Strategy. It also demonstrates our commitment to the Royal Navy, which needs these submarines to fulfil its duties around the globe. It demonstrates the best of British technology and our determination to develop and transform the UK Submarine industry over the coming years.”

The First Sea Lord Admiral Sir Jonathon Band said:

“We need a versatile maritime force across the operational spectrum. Astute forms a key part of this future programme and is designed as a multi role platform. The first of these immensely powerful submarines, HMS Astute, is launched next month and I look forward to her entry into service with her sisters, Ambush and Artful – and now the fourth of the class, Audacious. These boats will help protect Britain’s interests overseas for decades to come.”

 

[Rich]

Dontya just love the bloody names the Brits give their ships?

Astute, Ambush,Artful,Audacious?

Bloody good show!

 

[Waylander]

That's defenitely right.

One has to admire the Brits for their ship names!

 

[AegisFC]

Dontya just love the bloody names the Brits give their ships?

Astute, Ambush,Artful,Audacious?

Bloody good show!

Much better than naming ships after politicians (Regan, G.W. Bush and Gerald Ford!)!

 

[alexsa]

Much better than naming ships after politicians (Regan, G.W. Bush and Gerald Ford!)!

Australia used to ahve some pretty good names wiht great history as well but we now name ships after towns.

A pity we lost Vendetta, Voyager, Vampire, Vengence (although we only had this one for a short time), Stalwart, Swordsman, Tatto etc etc etc (not to mention the attach class patrol boat names).

I know it is not going to happen but I would have loved to see the new AWD's named after the "V"s.

 

[AegisFC]

Australia used to ahve some pretty good names wiht great history as well but we now name ships after towns.

A pity we lost Vendetta, Voyager, Vampire, Vengence (although we only had this one for a short time), Stalwart, Swordsman, Tatto etc etc etc (not to mention the attach class patrol boat names).

I know it is not going to happen but I would have loved to see the new AWD's named after the "V"s.

I have no problem naming ships after towns, battles and good leaders, I just have a problem naming them after politicians, especially when you have many other great names to use.