I agree it may need verification, but that isn't likely here. However, the specific allegation is that Erdogan's son was involved. I(f true, it would probably constitute government involvement.)
Well, how can't you and few others see the simple fact that miles long oil tracks line, is not exactly a box of matches. When it disappears across Turkish border it cannot possibly be without, at the very list, knowledge of the border controlling authorities aka state's or government's entity. And because it is not a box of matches it cannot not possibly be only some group of corrupt body guards who look after this massive business operation.
This is an example of the sort of claim being made that strongly compelled me to speak up. Note precisely what Moshe Yaalon said. Did he ever directly mention governmental support from Turkey for ISIS? The title of the article seems to imply that the Turkish government is complicit in this, but take a look at the source i.e. everything that the Israeli DefMin said; I would draw my conclusions from what is quoted as being said by the minister, rather than from the title which probably has been edited for the purpose of grabbing the attention of readers.
I totally agree, let's note what precisely Moshe Yaalon said. That is not what was quoted by "trustworthy" news outlet, but what he had said:
On the one hand it's very likely that Turkey permits this to happen (their jailing of journalists who were investigating alleged Turkish weapon shipments to ISIS doesn't help their case either). On the other hand Israel has had bad relations with Turkey for a while, and even if Turkey doesn't support ISIS, their support of other Islamist groups is bad enough for Israel to take issue with it.
the Greeks also think Turkey is buying ISIS oil. See a pattern here? Countries that have a problem with Turkey accuse them of playing with ISIS. Whether the accusation is true or not, the motivation seems to be political.True but irrelevant. It does nothing to excuse Turkey. And given that Assad's government is a corrupt and teeter-tottering despotism on the brink of collapse (until very recently anyway) it's far easier to make the argument that it might be happening without official state intent.
Well Russian credibility isn't terribly relevant. Either they have the evidence or they don't. No matter how many times they lied in the past, if they have proof of his complicity and present it, that's that. On the other hand you're right, so far they've fallen short. The best we have is that oil goes north with the tacit permission of the Turkish government who sheepishly claims they can't close their own border (iirc in the response to a US request to do exactly that).
The only reputable source on this list is the Reuters one and that does not support your assertion that Turkey is supplying Daesh. All the other sources are not reputable because there is no verification of them or way of verifying them. The Global Research article is very biased and is not of a research or academic standard expected from someone who is an academic at a noted university.
That is a rather arrogant and ill-informed statement that presumes that those who frequent here are not capable of freedom of thought. A goodly section of the posters here are professionals who work or have worked in defence and / or defence related areas, many with graduate and post-graduate qualifications who do know what they are talking about and who read widely and are well informed. I would suggest that you do more than just repeat the Assad and / or Putin party line.
There you go again, mixing up taking advantage of the mess next door to make some money with state support of Daesh.
Agreed. I think Erdogan screwed up big time, and I think Turkey will end up paying for it in years to come.
The Israelis claim more then that, at least according to his source.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that this isn't too different from the relationship Saddam Hussein had with al-Qaeda pre-9/11. No?Israeli Defense Minister said:
A and B are enemies, pretty much.
Israel wants none of that mess, that's why they are turning a blind eye or essentially helping out Russia and their enemy Assad. Because the alternatives are much much worse. MUCH worse, emphasis on much. They sure don't want to occupy that area and neither does Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#In_the_Western_world
And this (the last sentence) is exactly what I have said.
I am completely in agreement on this point with Israeli D M. And nowhere in my little comment(s), did I go beyond his conclusions. Perhaps with exception of "at the very least" titbit that I added at some point of my comment.Intriguingly, Haaretz seems to be the only source that makes this bold assertion.
I've not seen any other news outlet attempt to connect the dots in this manner. Please tell me you aren't cherry-picking your sources.
I have noticed alot bang up T-72s but they still going seen a lot moving around during new offensiveSeems to me that things are going too well for Assad and Erdogan wants to "throw the ball out of the court". Like what he did with the su-24 shootdown, trying to derail the train because he doesn't like where it's going. He is dangerous, though, if one would choose a leader to be the cause of ww3, there is noone more suited than him.
Why aren't the iranian forces using heavier equipment like tanks and artillery?
Also, I have been watching many TOW videos for the last month, they are very effective. If the saudis hadn't provided them to rebels, the gains of the SAA would be more significant, they are a game changer. Sadly, in many of the videos where tanks are hit, it is hard to estimate the actual effect. I suspect many aren't really effective or just mobility kills and injuries. Those T-72s can take a beating ... and they do.
