War Against ISIS

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It'll be just like Red Alert 3. Armored bears, and people-cannons.

there's a pun in there somewhere.......

 

[ATA-Türk]

What difference make some outdated cruise missiles, which did not even hit their targets and crash landed in Iran?

Russian defence Industry is producing nothing which is not outdated. All the good stuff was imported from the West. Now they can´t import anything any longer. Now they must produce with their soviet technology.

And Russia will not send any ground troops into syria. Putin declared that on interview. Russians fear the Mujahedin like hell.

Russians are full of Angst. They are the Antagonists in WW3. Asad´s troops get smoked on a daily basis. Soon Mujahedin will receive more effective weapons against low flying russian coffins > Manpads.

You realy think todays russia would be stronger than Soviets back in the time? Soviets had turkic soldiers which they could waste in the thousands with little money back than. Turkic people were forced to work and fight for russian imperialism.

US republicans will give you all huge headaches and cause your disaproval in the future. Sen. John McCain already claiming that US Air force must use force against russian intruders.

 

[A.V. Berg]

Low altitude, high speed, means harder to hit for small arms and AAA. MANPADS are another story. As for Chechnya and Afghan, not only Hinds but even Su-25s made insanely low attack runs. In the case of Chechnya there is footage of Su-25s going between two rows of apartment buildings. That low.

Thanks, Feanor.

If I understand you correctly, flying like that helps against bullets but not necessarily against missiles?

Frankly, when the first photographs of Hinds emerged still parked near the runway, I thought that they would only be used to rescue downed pilots leaving combat operations to Mi 28.

Maybe as withe the choice of Su 24, familiarity and reliability proved paramount.

 

[Feanor]

Thanks, Feanor.

If I understand you correctly, flying like that helps against bullets but not necessarily against missiles?

Frankly, when the first photographs of Hinds emerged still parked near the runway, I thought that they would only be used to rescue downed pilots leaving combat operations to Mi 28.

Maybe as withe the choice of Su 24, familiarity and reliability proved paramount.

Well I think that the Hinds were deployed in far too great a quantity to be intended for only SAR. I'm not sure if reliability was the choice. It may really be the case that they wanted to use spares and munitions already in country, to simplify logistics. As is they're somewhat strained supporting the deployment. I have to wonder just how large of a deployment could Russia support at the most, if they really needed to.

 

[Ranger25]

Well I think that the Hinds were deployed in far too great a quantity to be intended for only SAR. I'm not sure if reliability was the choice. It may really be the case that they wanted to use spares and munitions already in country, to simplify logistics. As is they're somewhat strained supporting the deployment. I have to wonder just how large of a deployment could Russia support at the most, if they really needed to.

Agreed, sources are indicating it's a logistical strain to date V Crimea where everything could simply be convoyed in. Valuable experience being gained once again for VVP.

I wouldn't expect a surge of types. So far the CAS support blended with advisors etc is helping the Assad ground offensive so I see no real reason yet to ratchet up numbers

 

[Feanor]

Agreed, sources are indicating it's a logistical strain to date V Crimea where everything could simply be convoyed in. Valuable experience being gained once again for VVP.

Nothing could be convoyed in to Crimea. There is no land border between Crimea and the rest of Russia. Things could be trucked into Eastern Ukraine, but Crimea is a peninsula. That having been said, the Kerch strait is very narrow, and it's obviously a lot easier to ferry things across a narrow strait then to ship them all the way to Syria.

 

[A.V. Berg]

You realy think todays russia would be stronger than Soviets back in the time? Soviets had turkic soldiers which they could waste in the thousands with little money back than. Turkic people were forced to work and fight for russian imperialism.

US republicans will give you all huge headaches and cause your disaproval in the future. Sen. John McCain already claiming that US Air force must use force against russian intruders.

The Rand Corporation report of 1991 entitled 'The Ethnic Factor in the Soviet Armed Forces: The Muslim Dimension' would disagree with the above.

Page vi of the study states: "Muslim recruits are among the least technically skilled of the Soviet draftees because of educational and linguistic shortcomings." This was primarily in reference to Turkic soldiers. So, I doubt they could be considered the backbone of the Soviet army.

The Rand Corporation is the darling of Republicanism.

On a completely separate note, some photos of Russian tanks and bmp vehicles for Syrian Army on embarkation in Russia. I see some bmp 1 vehicles suggesting that cost-saving must be an issue.

http://twower.livejournal.com/1807775.html

 

[Ranger25]

Nothing could be convoyed in to Crimea. There is no land border between Crimea and the rest of Russia. Things could be trucked into Eastern Ukraine, but Crimea is a peninsula. That having been said, the Kerch strait is very narrow, and it's obviously a lot easier to ferry things across a narrow strait then to ship them all the way to Syria.

Correct, I was thinking of convoys into Eastern Ukraine

Still, point remains similar Syria poses a far larger challenge logistically

 

[ATA-Türk]

The Rand Corporation report of 1991 entitled 'The Ethnic Factor in the Soviet Armed Forces: The Muslim Dimension' would disagree with the above.

Page vi of the study states: "Muslim recruits are among the least technically skilled of the Soviet draftees because of educational and linguistic shortcomings." This was primarily in reference to Turkic soldiers. So, I doubt they could be considered the backbone of the Soviet army.

The Rand Corporation is the darling of Republicanism.

On a completely separate note, some photos of Russian tanks and bmp vehicles for Syrian Army on embarkation in Russia. I see some bmp 1 vehicles suggesting that cost-saving must be an issue.

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[A.V. Berg]

And you are wrong again. Soviet technology back in the day was extra made simple so the huge amount of untrained conscripts could enter the weapons without much learning issues.

Turkic people are hard working and fighting people. This is what i call a TURKIC BACKBONE of the soviet forces back in the 80´s and 90´s. Even the soviet conquer of berlin was achieved with Turkic caucasian hordes. Their russian instructors lied to them, that Nazis murdered turkic children and raped muslim women. Because of that they faught much harder against the exhausted and desperate NAZIS. Turkic soviet soldiers crushed the NAZIS literaly.

Turkic soldiers are the best soldiers in the world. Republicans now that and they fear Russian Turkic soldiers. That´s why they try to fool Turks into a Turan dream to fight Russians and Chinese.

I am glad i could put your perspective in the right place with my comment. No need for Thanks.

Regarding WWII: Over 80% of all Soviet soldiers conscripted were Russian and Ukrainian, the horde you speak of so disrespectfully, numbered no more than 10%. The figures are easily found. Just type in Soviet war losses by nationality into google.

 

[Ranger25]

Regarding WWII: Over 80% of all Soviet soldiers conscripted were Russian and Ukrainian, the horde you speak of so disrespectfully, numbered no more than 10%. The figures are easily found. Just type in Soviet war losses by nationality into google.

Let's all stay on track here. This is not a discussion of Soviet military history.

 

[ATA-Türk]

Regarding WWII: Over 80% of all Soviet soldiers conscripted were Russian and Ukrainian, the horde you speak of so disrespectfully, numbered no more than 10%. The figures are easily found. Just type in Soviet war losses by nationality into google.

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[wittmanace]

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It is very tiring to hear trolling and tirades. And, frankly, it is particularly sad to hear racist gibberish. I know we are supposed to calmly respond to even provocation here, but this is childish racist bait you are throwing out now.

Please stick to the topic, or at least leave those of us who want to have the discussion of this topic to do so. There are plenty of sites aimed at the conversations you want to have no doubt, though I am not recommending you go find them.

 

[GermanHerman]

Nothing could be convoyed in to Crimea. There is no land border between Crimea and the rest of Russia. Things could be trucked into Eastern Ukraine, but Crimea is a peninsula. That having been said, the Kerch strait is very narrow, and it's obviously a lot easier to ferry things across a narrow strait then to ship them all the way to Syria.

It does seem like they are about to change that though:

https://www.rt.com/business/317368-russia-crimea-kerch-bridge/

 

[ATA-Türk]

It is very tiring to hear trolling and tirades. And, frankly, it is particularly sad to hear racist gibberish. I know we are supposed to calmly respond to even provocation here, but this is childish racist bait you are throwing out now.

Please stick to the topic, or at least leave those of us who want to have the discussion of this topic to do so. There are plenty of sites aimed at the conversations you want to have no doubt, though I am not recommending you go find them.

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[wittmanace]

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You have assumed a great deal about me and my origins.

Anyway, I'm just not getting into this. It isn't near the topic. It isn't even an acquaintance of someone who is a distant relative of someone who knew the topic once.

Drop it. Get on topic or go away please.


Returning to the hinds, have the Russians delivered more hinds to the Syrians recently or do they only have the d models they had before?

 

[ATA-Türk]

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[wittmanace]

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I'm not American, not that it matters here. I'm not in America either. I'm not a part of the slave trade, oddly enough. And why are you bringing the slave trade into this?

You are adding nothing here, but rather trying very hard to take away form this thread. Your jingoisms and bait don't belong here.

 

[wittmanace]

Back to reality and the topic:

The aviationist put up the videos.

The note after the last video supports what Feanor stated was going on, in that they are clearing the areas near the bases at the moment, as it is observed that the target was a mortar position it seems.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/10/08/mi-24-against-rebels-in-syria-videos/

Looking in this book, it seems Syria has received an mi-24 variant as well as another mi-25 variant at some point.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...VxGsUCh3RTwL0#v=onepage&q=syria mi-24&f=false

Is this just a confused table showing export version of mi-24d, listed under different entries?

Regarding mi-24/25 local proficiency, I see they got simulators in 2008, so I assume they took the capability and proficiency of hind pilots to be of some import.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...VSTcUCh06jwSn#v=onepage&q=syria mi-24&f=false

I see the ship Alaed was to bring more hinds to Syria in 2012 but turned away. I guess they could have been delivered later. My interest is basically in whether we know the Syrians to only have d variants. Anyway here's the story:

http://www.wired.com/2012/06/russia/

 

[gf0012-aust]

I see that rockets have struck the russian embassy -