US Army buys Bushmasters from Australia

Simon9

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From the pics that I've seen, they've been mobility kills. Wheels and undercarriage were blown off (as designed).

Pics: see wikipedia's Bushmaster IMV article discussion, there's a link.
One was reported completely destroyed and burnt out after multiple RPG hits - perhaps amazingly nobody was injured, though the Bushmaster thus destroyed was carrying the body of a Dutch KIA at the time, which was transferred to a second Bushmaster.

(which I've just noticed is also present on Wiki ;) )
 

buglerbilly

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I think you'll find that the one with the so-called Multiple Hits still suffered a mobility kill and because of that was destroyed by its unit (or air power, I cannot remember which?)
 

gf0012-aust

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Hi gf0012

I did not know that they made a 6wd version of Bushmaster,ive only ever seen the 4wd version or are you referring to couger ?

Can anybody explain the level or extent of damage to the dutch Bushmasters and how it happened?

REGARDS
TOM
Just realised my original reply to you might have seemed a tad terse - that was unintended.

gf
 

Simon9

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I think you'll find that the one with the so-called Multiple Hits still suffered a mobility kill and because of that was destroyed by its unit (or air power, I cannot remember which?)
Air power according to Wiki... but the report I read seemed to imply it caught fire before that. I did actually read the Dutch MoD's report on it but it was through a combination of a fairly poor Babelfish translation and my knowledge of German, to which Dutch seems to be about halfway from English!

If it HAD been just a mobility kill I suspect they would have tried harder to recover it (though of course I say that with almost zero insight into the tactical situation at the time).
 

Eggy

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Air power according to Wiki... but the report I read seemed to imply it caught fire before that. I did actually read the Dutch MoD's report on it but it was through a combination of a fairly poor Babelfish translation and my knowledge of German, to which Dutch seems to be about halfway from English!

If it HAD been just a mobility kill I suspect they would have tried harder to recover it (though of course I say that with almost zero insight into the tactical situation at the time).
The official press release from the Dutch MOD only mentioned that a Bushmaster was hit by several rockets and could not be salvaged hence it was destroyed by an Apache with a hellfire missile. They probably don't want to release too many details.
 

t68

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Just realised my original reply to you might have seemed a tad terse - that was unintended.

gf
Hi GF

I am a bit lost on this i think you might be refering to ROSSIMAN .

But if it was no offence taken, a little bit of criticism can go along way if you take it the right way and learn from it.

Are they making a 6wd version of Bushmaster for the us (side doors etc )


REGARDS
TOM
 

riksavage

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U.K. To Seek 150 Vehicles Through Urgent Request

Britain is to order 150 medium-weight protected patrol vehicles as part of an urgent operational requirement to equip its forces fighting in Afghanistan.

The Rafael Golan, Force Protection Cheetah and Thales Bushmaster are under consideration.

In line with the British policy of naming some of their recent armored vehicle acquisitions and updates after dogs, this latest procurement will be known as the Ridgeback. The Cougar has been renamed the Mastiff and the British FV432 update is known as the Bulldog.

A very good chance the Bushmaster will prevail, tried, tested and popular in Afghanistan.
 

Eggy

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Welsh Guards were very impressed by the Bushmaster. They did some joint ops with Dutch forces and one of their vehicles had to be towed. No problem for the Bushmaster.

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winnyfield

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Seems to be another ad hoc procurement by the British MoD.

So far it's Vector (armoured Pinzgauer) and Mastiff (6x6 25t Cougar variant). Any medium 'PPV' is probably an indictment against the Vector purchase - there was a bit of stink when that was announced a few years ago. On the other hand, further Mastiff/Cougar purchases are complicated by the fact that they'll be competing with the US on the production line.

U.K. to Seek 150 Vehicles Through Urgent Request
By ANDREW CHUTER, LONDON
12/12/07

Britain is to order 150 medium-weight protected patrol vehicles as part of an urgent operational requirement to equip its forces fighting in Afghanistan.

The Defence Ministry said work is under way to identify the vehicle type with an intention to have the selected platform delivered starting next year.

A ministry spokeswoman declined to name potential contenders in negotiation with the ministry, citing commercial sensitivities.

Industry sources said the Rafael Golan, Force Protection Cheetah and Thales Bushmaster were among the vehicles that had been under consideration. The vehicles have all been contenders in the U.S. Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle program.

The British already operate a fleet of the larger Force Protection Cougar vehicles in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Defence Ministry signaled its intention in April to run a competition to acquire about 180 medium protected patrol vehicles. Delivery date was 2009. The program was unfunded, although cash was released to mount a 12-month capability concept demonstration.

The spokeswomen said the demonstrator program will continue until its conclusion next year.

The fate of the medium patrol vehicle program is unclear, but it appears to have been overtaken by the urgent operational requirement funded by the Treasury.

In line with the British policy of naming some of their recent armored vehicle acquisitions and updates after dogs, this latest procurement will be known as the Ridgeback. The Cougar has been renamed the Mastiff and the British FV432 update is known as the Bulldog.

For canine fanciers, the Ridgeback is better known as the Rhodesian Ridgeback. Southern Rhodesia was a British colony that eventually became Zimbabwe.
 

riksavage

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According to press reports the four-wheel-drive version of Force Protection’s Cougar has emerged as the leading candidate for latest British order covering 150 vehicles. Several industry sources said the Cougar had topped a competition with the Rafael Golan, Thales Bushmaster and others.

Shame, I had my fingers crossed for the Bushmaster. Makes sense though, common parts means a less complicated support infrastructure for the REME.
 

gf0012-aust

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Shame, I had my fingers crossed for the Bushmaster. Makes sense though, common parts means a less complicated support infrastructure for the REME.
Agra can probably confirm, but I was under the impression that Bushmaster missed out due to a side door requirement - so it was never really in....
 

buglerbilly

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Agra can probably confirm, but I was under the impression that Bushmaster missed out due to a side door requirement - so it was never really in....
Nah Rik is talking about MPPV or its now-diluted UOR version.......

What you were talking about was MRAP............Different programmes mate! :unknown

Regards,

BUG
 

riksavage

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It would appear the Bushmaster has sadly missed out again on the latest US contract. Summary of press release as follows:

"The Pentagon has placed its largest order to-date for Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles, ordering 3,126 MRAPs in a $2.6 billion deal from Force Protection, BAE, Armor Holdings and BAE, and Navistar International. The award was allocated as follows:

  • Force Protection — 358 vehicles ($377 million)
  • BAE — 600 vehicles ($645 million)
  • Navistar International — 1,500 ($1.1 billion)
  • Armor Holdings and BAE — 668 ($458 million)"

The Navistar is not known to me, does anyone have details of the model purchased?
 

buglerbilly

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The Navistar is not known to me, does anyone have details of the model purchased?
The model is the MAXXPRO see the Wikipedia entry here........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_MaxxPro

The company Navistar owns and runs International Trucks which is one reason why they have gotten the majority of MRAP's ordered to-date. They have the plant and expertise and workforce to produce the most MRAP's.............:cool:
 
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