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Update regarding my post concerning Ukraine's debt issue from a few weeks back. Some movement with Ukraine Fin Minister Jaresko stating that a debt moratorium on the $70bio, is viable option and soon..

Ukraine warns of debt moratorium - FT

Interesting point - IMF officials agree there has been a strong record of implementing structural reforms. So much so, that the next IMF tranche loan payment will be made, even while creditor negotiations continue.

Overall, Ukraine govt looking to save $15.3bio of debt servicing cost, over the next 4 years. Lowering debt to 71% to GDP & limiting future service costs to 10% of GDP.
 

stojo

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Update regarding my post concerning Ukraine's debt issue from a few weeks back. Some movement with Ukraine Fin Minister Jaresko stating that a debt moratorium on the $70bio, is viable option and soon..

Ukraine warns of debt moratorium - FT

Interesting point - IMF officials agree there has been a strong record of implementing structural reforms. So much so, that the next IMF tranche loan payment will be made, even while creditor negotiations continue.

Overall, Ukraine govt looking to save $15.3bio of debt servicing cost, over the next 4 years. Lowering debt to 71% to GDP & limiting future service costs to 10% of GDP.
In my view, there is not a slightest chance Ukrainian government will manage to meet these marks.

I think this is a political move made by IMF on behalf of Ukraine.
 

Feanor

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Thanks Feanor for the update.


But this slight a misquote. 666000 is the amount of all asylum applications from all countries to EU area. The EOSA May 2015 report (I don't think I can link yet?) states 1984 Ukrainian applications in April (up from essentially zero before crisis).

Meanwhile, any news on how the draft and training the draftees at the ukrainian side is going?
Whoops. My apologies. Sleep deprivation is getting to me. Thank you for catching that. The numbers does look a little high.

The draft is going badly. Besides the obvious bribery, in many cases local government and even private companies are helping people dodge it. In many areas, according to one of Poroshenko's advisers, people are renting buses, and leaving the country or the province, when the Military Commissar shows up to hand out draft notices. In another instance, in Kramatorsk, the locals chased him out of town, after an angry confrontation with the parents of the would-be draftees. Unsurprising given that the Ukrainian military only took Kramatorsk after some fighting, before the fall of Slavyansk.

Training is going better, between veterans from the front, and foreign instructors, the Ukrainian military is much more capable now then it was this time last year. The problem remains that Ukrainian units are still not operating effectively above the battalion level. Mismatched equipment and gear also don't help. Although at least individual units are now often better standardized then before. Overall a big step forward over the past year, for which Ukraine should primarily thank their western allies.

Any idea what units are involved in the fighting around Maryinka? Probably not that clear from the Russian/Seperatist side but from the UAF?

Casualites on the UAF side are 5 dead 39 wounded over the last 24 hours.

Strategically speaking this isn't that significant - although larger than the average over the last 2 months particularly the wounded. Has the feeling of artillery/mortars type casualites.

UAF says 100 seperatists/Russians killed, that number seems very high.

Feanor do you have any pics/vids or articles of Ukraine deploying Rapira AT guns I haven't seen them in action . Thanks!
I don't have reliable casualty figures but it's safe to assume that Ukraine will understate their own and overstate the enemy. Often quite badly.

As for the rapira, they're quite common from both sides.

lostarmour.info has plenty of photos of captured and destroyed vehicles and arty, among them the MT-12 Rapira AT gun. Be careful the letters are all cyrillic, so using Ctrl+F will only work if you have a Russian keyboard. But you can just look through the list and find them.

In my view, there is not a slightest chance Ukrainian government will manage to meet these marks.

I think this is a political move made by IMF on behalf of Ukraine.
As long as the war continues, and Poroshenko isn't eating babies on live TV, the west will continue to fund Ukraine. All Ukraine has to do is make occasional token gestures towards reforms. Hell they've got army units posing with Nazi flags, the government demonstrating corruption at the highest level, and western loan money is bleeding out of every crack and hole in the Ukrainian government, and yet the money keeps coming. So yes, the Ukrainian government will not meet these marks, nor does it matter whether it does. As it stands Ukraine can't pay off its loans. And I doubt they have any plans to try. They know full well that the west can't afford to let Russia "win", so as long as they have a war or "war", they're safe.
 

stojo

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They know full well that the west can't afford to let Russia "win", so as long as they have a war or "war", they're safe.
That's on the spot. It seems to me Russia would be quite happy with the truce kept, and status quo maintained. Hell, they would gain even more should the conflict sease, and should DNR and LNR as they are right now, remain a formal part of Ukraine.

Through those regions Russia would be able to assert it self, even over the internal Ukrainian policies, let alone international "integrations" etc.

I would not discard the idea that EU and Germany would object to this either, but for a profound distrust towards Russia at this moment. It is US and Ukrainian political elite who have everything to gain out of this conflict. As the war lingers on, corrupted Ukrainian government has its behind stuffed with money, and it seems that while EU is, at least, partially, suffering the effect of sanctions it imposed upon Russia, and vice-versa, Americans are conducting business as usual:

U.S. Exports To Russia Rise Despite Tensions, Minor Sanctions
 

Musashi_kenshin

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It is US and Ukrainian political elite who have everything to gain out of this conflict.
Perhaps Russia shouldn't have incited the conflict in the first place?

I actually think Russia has something to gain from the conflict continuing, because whilst it does it is the centre of attention.

However, assuming you're right and Russia would like the conflict to end now, that's all very convenient given the rebels hold a sizeable chunk of Ukraine. They didn't want the conflict to end when the rebels were on the back foot.

Everyone wants peace when they've made political/economic/territorial gains. It's not surprising Ukraine might like to carry on for a bit longer to see if it can win territory back, and I can see how the US might like to support it regarding that.

Similarly, the EU (save for a few countries like the UK) is so spineless I can imagine some of them would try to stop a NATO intervention in the Baltics if Russia went prodding around there. (Was Neville Chamberlain known to have had any affairs in Europe that might explain this?)
 

Feanor

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Perhaps Russia shouldn't have incited the conflict in the first place?
I think we're on the same page here.

I actually think Russia has something to gain from the conflict continuing, because whilst it does it is the centre of attention.
No. Russia is losing because it's the wrong kind of attention. Ukraine is getting the right kind of attention, namely lots of western money.

However, assuming you're right and Russia would like the conflict to end now, that's all very convenient given the rebels hold a sizeable chunk of Ukraine. They didn't want the conflict to end when the rebels were on the back foot.
I strongly suspect that if they had a way to sell the rebels down the river, without making it look like they were selling them down the river, they would be inclined to do it. They already tried to. Minsk-2 would have left the rebels out of office, once elections were held, and the rebel provinces would have been part of Ukraine.

Everyone wants peace when they've made political/economic/territorial gains. It's not surprising Ukraine might like to carry on for a bit longer to see if it can win territory back, and I can see how the US might like to support it regarding that.
They don't need to win the territory back, and their efforts show just that. A victory would be nice, because then the oligarchy can remain in power for a little longer as the "winners" of the war against Russia. But ultimately all they need is the war to continue. If the war were to end, they would have to either conduct the economic reforms the west is demanding, or refuse, and face financial meltdown, as well as losing their only backers against Russia. Of course the ultimate losers, as always, are the people. And while they had little choice of who to vote for at elections, more and more are voting with their feet.

Similarly, the EU (save for a few countries like the UK) is so spineless I can imagine some of them would try to stop a NATO intervention in the Baltics if Russia went prodding around there. (Was Neville Chamberlain known to have had any affairs in Europe that might explain this?)
It would depend on the nature of the prodding, I think.

^^^ This.

Don't complain when you start a war & find it hard to stop it at a convenient point.
It's rather two-faced of the west to demand that the fighting stop, then back the side that has the most to gain from the fighting continuing. Yourself, and few others, have often taken the view that the west holds some sort of moral high ground. A view that I personally find a little silly.

Russia has been outplayed, and rather badly, but let's not forget that in this situation everyone is up to their ears in it.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
But Russia not only chose to join the game, but started it, & stirred it up! Russia had many chances to pull out, but instead kept getting in deeper & deeper. It didn't have to go into Crimea. After Crimea, it could have stopped, & declined any further involvement. It could have refrained from sending in soldiers. But instead, it kept ramping up its involvement, until finally its involvement was obvious to everyone with eyes to see - & then it became obvious to Russia that its involvement hadn't been thought through, & it didn't have a viable exit strategy.

Russia wasn't outplayed. Putin outplayed himself. He set the trap, then walked into it. He never seems to have stopped & thought "what next?". At each stage, it looks as if every move was made with a view to the moment, to score a quick win without considering where it was leading. There never seems to have been a planned end state.
 

Feanor

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But Russia not only chose to join the game, but started it, & stirred it up! Russia had many chances to pull out, but instead kept getting in deeper & deeper. It didn't have to go into Crimea. After Crimea, it could have stopped, & declined any further involvement. It could have refrained from sending in soldiers. But instead, it kept ramping up its involvement, until finally its involvement was obvious to everyone with eyes to see - & then it became obvious to Russia that its involvement hadn't been thought through, & it didn't have a viable exit strategy.
One might argue that the EU started the game when they financed and supported the euromaydan protests. One might argue that the west stirred it up when they sat down at the table with heads of Svoboda and Right Sector, as if they were legitimate representatives of the Ukrainian people. One might argue that the EU pushed the game deeper and deeper when they pretended like an armed coup by armed extremists produced a legitimate government, and proceeded to sign high contentious treaties with a government whose mandate (IF ANY!) was to hold interim elections and do nothing else. One might even argue that the west is responsible for the continuing conflict by refusing to acknowledge or address Ukrainian cease-fire violations, instead placing the entire blame for the violations on Moscow (even though the Donetsk Airport was clearly to be left to the rebels as per Minsk-1).

As for the desired end-state, I think you're also wrong. I think there was a very clear goal and very clear desired endstate. The move into Crimea was intended to demonstrate to the new government in Kiev that no matter how much western backing they had, America was far away and Russia is close by. It was an attempt to force the new government to sit down to serious negotiations with Moscow, with an understanding of the fragile position of the Ukrainian economy, and indeed statehood. Russian political analysts likely expected the Ukrainian government to treat this conflict as a limited one, because it is limited. Russia is not pushing towards Kiev, or planning to eradicate Ukraine as an entity. But the Kiev elites treated it as a total war, because it was advantageous to do so.

War justifies what they did to freedom of the press, the economy, social benefits, healthcare, education, war forces the west to back them at the risk of losing to Russia, and war lets them distract people from the fact that nothing has changed. The euro-maydan has been an utter failure, and the same oligarchy that ran the country before runs it again. The faces may have shifted, but the system is the same. The losers, the true losers, are the Ukrainian people. Both the pro-western and pro-Russian ones.

Russia wasn't outplayed. Putin outplayed himself. He set the trap, then walked into it. He never seems to have stopped & thought "what next?". At each stage, it looks as if every move was made with a view to the moment, to score a quick win without considering where it was leading. There never seems to have been a planned end state.
Russia was trapped in a pattern of escalation because they 1) couldn't back down at the risk of losing their stake and 2) didn't think the Ukrainian government would last this long. Honestly the one accomplishment we can credit Poroshenko with is staying in power despite his disastrous conduct of the economy and the war.

Putin thought that once territorial integrity was on the line, the Kiev elites would have to negotiate. He expected them to have at least some respect for objective state interests. He was wrong. They're willing to let Ukraine go to hell, as long as they can keep what they have, and not have to answer to anyone. While the Ukrainian economy is losing GDP in the double digits (%), Poroshenko has multiplied his income. I dare say he is the winner here, at least so far. He has outplayed Putin. He and those who support him there.
 

swerve

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Sooo . . . what you're saying is that Putin thought he could play a game with mutually understood rules, starting by forcibly seizing territory from another state, then escalating it until they gave in.

If you don't mind me saying so, you've just agreed with me. What you've described is a standard mistake. Galtieri made the same mistake in 1982, & Saddam Hussein in 1990. It's a classic dictator's error. It assumes that the other side thinks like him. Those Moscow political analysts you describe sound to me like classic clever fools, people who don't understand the real world, but see only an academic view of it.

Don't you see that by starting a war, Putin guaranteed western support for Ukraine? No war = western pressure on Ukraine for democracy & economic reform. War = Ukrainian oligarchs off the hook until it's over. It's bloody obvious - & was from the start. Georgia was tolerated, because the bloody idiot in charge made the mistake of starting it (& stop calling the protests in Kiev 'starting it', & equating them with warfare). Putin started it in Ukraine when he grabbed Crimea. If he'd stopped there, he'd probably have got away with it, albeit expensively, but he didn't stop. He wasn't trapped in escalation then, except in his own mind.

What you're doing now is, I'm afraid to say (because you're usually reasonable & sensible) ridiculous. Once you cross the border with soldiers, all bets are off. You're no longer in the world of games with agreed rules. You've thrown that away by breaking the rules yourself. It's like punching your opponent in the face in a game of chess, & then expecting him to come back to the chess board. It's a bizarre form of brutal naivety.
 

Feanor

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Sooo . . . what you're saying is that Putin thought he could play a game with mutually understood rules, starting by forcibly seizing territory from another state, then escalating it until they gave in.
It's not about rules, it's about objective realities. If your nation's welfare is at Russia's mercy, it makes sense to maybe negotiate?

If you don't mind me saying so, you've just agreed with me. What you've described is a standard mistake. Galtieri made the same mistake in 1982, & Saddam Hussein in 1990. It's a classic dictator's error. It assumes that the other side thinks like him. Those Moscow political analysts you describe sound to me like classic clever fools, people who don't understand the real world, but see only an academic view of it.
I disagree. I think it wasn't an unrealistic expectation. I think they misjudged the nature of the regime that came to power after the takeover.

Don't you see that by starting a war, Putin guaranteed western support for Ukraine? No war = western pressure on Ukraine for democracy & economic reform. War = Ukrainian oligarchs off the hook until it's over. It's bloody obvious - & was from the start.
Sort of. Remember, each of the Minsk accords was preceded by a resounding rebel victory, due to Russian involvement. They believed, and maybe still do, that they can force Ukraine to the negotiating table to honor Minsk-2 or something like it, if they prove that they can do sufficient damage.

Georgia was tolerated, because the bloody idiot in charge made the mistake of starting it (& stop calling the protests in Kiev 'starting it', & equating them with warfare).
It was a sliding scale. The protesters in Kiev had guns, and molotov cocktails. They killed armed government paramilitaries (and vice versa). Hell there were firefights in downtown Kiev. But that's not "starting it". When the pro-Russian rebels take up arms (from government arsenals, and after the anti-Maydan protests were similarly dispersed and ignored) now it's "starting it"?

As for Crimea, what exactly is your objection? Do you genuinely think that a fair referendum there wouldn't have produced a similar result? Or do you object to territory changing hands in principle?

Putin started it in Ukraine when he grabbed Crimea. If he'd stopped there, he'd probably have got away with it, albeit expensively, but he didn't stop. He wasn't trapped in escalation then, except in his own mind.
It was always a grey-scale. There were protests in the east, just like the protests in Kiev. Except the west chose to conveniently ignore them, letting their new pet government in Kiev do everything Yanukovich did a mere month ago, and more. And when the protesters took up arms, it was from SBU arsenals where the weapons were stockpiled for a government crackdown.

What you're doing now is, I'm afraid to say (because you're usually reasonable & sensible) ridiculous. Once you cross the border with soldiers, all bets are off. You're no longer in the world of games with agreed rules. You've thrown that away by breaking the rules yourself. It's like punching your opponent in the face in a game of chess, & then expecting him to come back to the chess board. It's a bizarre form of brutal naivety.
It's worse then that I'm afraid. It's a case where the opponent refuses to play chess, so you smack him with a newspaper to force him back to the board. Crossing the border with soldiers in Crimea didn't start much of anything. It was a total anti-climax. Even the west sent clear signals that they were willing to accept the annexation of Crimea as the price to pay for their actions in Kiev.
 

KiwiRob

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Perhaps Russia shouldn't have incited the conflict in the first place?
I wouldn't say Russia started the conflict, they took advantage of the messy political situation in Ukraine for some quick gains, Crimea, which then turned into something much messier which they should have left well alone.
 

Feanor

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Updates.

Some photos. First link is Ukrainian Uragan artillery positions. The second is Right Sector volunteer fighters.

http://codename-it.livejournal.com/1560745.html
http://codename-it.livejournal.com/1551930.html

Saxon armored trucks, with newly mounted cage armor. The second batch of 55 vehicles has been delivered. Ukraine is also getting another 100 Humvees from the US.

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http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1349357.html
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The Ukrainian military is having problems with both production and repairs of military equipment. Kraz trucks are being delivered late, and are breaking down very early.

There are also problems with newly produced BTR-3 and 4, as well as repair work on the BTRs, BMPs, and T-64s. One figure is that out of 45 BTR-3/4 received in 2014/15 only 18 remained operational today. This is the MoD specifically, not MVD or other entities. It appears that the balance was out of service due to technical problems.

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Russia's project for a bridge across the Kerch straight. Construction is starting with planned completion in 2018, though that seems a tad optimistic to me.

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A new Russian R-300Zh EW station inside Ukraine.

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Ukraine has shut down electricity to Crimea, and Gazprom has shut down gas deliveries to Ukraine. Summer is the right time for Ukraine to fight this fight, but it's still not clear what the end goal here is. Although Naftogaz has asked Gazprom for a discount.

Also Putin has instructed Gazprom to negotiate for transit through Ukraine post 2019. Earlier there were statements to the effect that it would not be necessary.

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An interesting photo of a Russian humanitarian convoy delivering a truck. Details are lacking but it certainly doesn't look right.

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Meanwhile repair and overhaul of T-80B tanks is being resumed at the Kharkov plant.

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http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1346599.html

The brand new Russian Tu-214R flew a test flight along the Ukrainian border. It's a long-range ELINT plane. The first one has been in testing since 2009.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1349627.html
 

Feanor

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A short but pressing update. Fighting has broken out in Western Ukraine. A Right Sector paramilitary element is fighting against local police, and possibly a private security force used by one of the oligarchs. Two police cars were destroyed with RPGs, and 2 or 3 Right Sector fighters died. Apparently 3 police and 4 bystanders or "bystanders" were wounded. The whole thing appears to have started when Right Sector fighters showed up to some sort of negotiation with a Ukrainian Rada deputy, Mikhail Lanya. Possibly over property rights to the gym facilities of Antares.

The fighting took place initially at the Antares sports center, then near the highway to Kiev, where two police cars were blown up. There is a report of a DShK in Right Sector hands.

As of 1800 June 11th, local time, the fighting is continuing, Right Sector fighters have not been disarmed.

Meanwhile Right Sector has announced a mobilization, and intends to come to the walls of the presidential administration. An idle threat, in my opinion. A more realistic one would be an attempt to attack the police cordon from the outside, to create an opening.

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kato

The Bunker Group
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That should be July 11th.

Apparently the Kiev government dismissed all customs service staff in the same region yesterday following investigations into smuggling and corruption. According to Interfax the local Right Sector branch claims "the conflict involving a shooting and causalities in Mukacheve, Zakarpattia region, was caused by the rampant smuggling in the region, which has been protected by law enforcement officials".

Zakarpattia is the oblast on the border to Slovakia and Hungary that belonged to Czechoslovakia before WW2. Polish strategy think tanks have been watching the region as a possible powder keg for over a year, though mostly for the significant Hungarian minority and possible rightwing-extremist coveting from that side.

Given that that region quite seriously has nothing except for its transport links being the main transit point between Europe and Ukraine the fact that any strife would erupt over exactly those isn't exactly surprising.
 

Feanor

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Sorry, I've been busy, but the gist of what has happened since is this. Right Sector fighters broke out of the city, into the hills, and holed up in the village Bobovische. Government troops have them surrounded in the village. Meanwhile Right Sector units at the front in the east have been leaving. Where to is unknown. Also in Ivano-Frankovsk Right Sector fighters, with weapons, appeared in the center of the city blocking off a central street. Large number of civilians from Mukachevo are being evacuated.

Poroshenko has called a National Security and Safety Council meeting.

And from local sources, it appears that the dispute began in a restaurant, between Right Sector and representatives of Mikhail Lanyo, over cigarette contraband routes. It turned into a firefight, moved into the neighboring sports center, and then Right Sector fled, engaging police forces at the outskirts, where they blockaded the road to prevent them from leaving.

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Feanor

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Staff member
That should be July 11th.

Apparently the Kiev government dismissed all customs service staff in the same region yesterday following investigations into smuggling and corruption. According to Interfax the local Right Sector branch claims "the conflict involving a shooting and causalities in Mukacheve, Zakarpattia region, was caused by the rampant smuggling in the region, which has been protected by law enforcement officials".

Zakarpattia is the oblast on the border to Slovakia and Hungary that belonged to Czechoslovakia before WW2. Polish strategy think tanks have been watching the region as a possible powder keg for over a year, though mostly for the significant Hungarian minority and possible rightwing-extremist coveting from that side.

Given that that region quite seriously has nothing except for its transport links being the main transit point between Europe and Ukraine the fact that any strife would erupt over exactly those isn't exactly surprising.
Right Sector has turned racketeering on a massive level starting last year in Odessa, and other parts of the south-west. It's certainly no surprise that they want a piece of the smuggling pie. However, the fact remains that the current Ukrainian government put military-grade weapons into the hands of a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi group. This is what happens when you hand out weapons to the wrong people.

This is also why I'm glad that Cossack organizations in Russia don't have weapons. Well real ones anyway.
 

kato

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
It's certainly no surprise that they want a piece of the smuggling pie.
According to German news media they were controlling tobacco smuggling in the area* while some local politician with connections to the previous pro-Russian government has his fingers in the rest of it. A meeting between both mobster sides last week ended in a shooting, which supposedly was answered by the guy in charge by having police set up roadblocks. The right sector guys then attacked one of these roadblocks on saturday.

Slovakia has begun handing out heavier armament and increasing patrols for the 800 police officers guarding the border in their sector. Mukachevo is 50 km from the Slovak border. They're keeping it with police though, no army units deployed. See SME.sk | Polícia reaguje na stre¾bu v Mukaèeve. Posilnila hliadky na hranici

Hungary has also supposedly stepped up border patrols, although i can't find any official confirmation for that in any Hungarian media**. They're mostly busy justifying their anti-immigrant fence being built by the army in the south though. Some rightwing-extremists (no, not in the government) are agitating along the lines that the Ukrainian government apparently can't protect the (sizable) Hungarian minority in Zaparkattia.

* tobacco smuggling (into the EU) is a huge business in that area.
** which, well, doesn't say much given the censorship there.
 

Feanor

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Staff member
According to German news media they were controlling tobacco smuggling in the area* while some local politician with connections to the previous pro-Russian government has his fingers in the rest of it. A meeting between both mobster sides last week ended in a shooting, which supposedly was answered by the guy in charge by having police set up roadblocks. The right sector guys then attacked one of these roadblocks on saturday.

Slovakia has begun handing out heavier armament and increasing patrols for the 800 police officers guarding the border in their sector. Mukachevo is 50 km from the Slovak border. They're keeping it with police though, no army units deployed. See SME.sk | Polícia reaguje na stre¾bu v Mukaèeve. Posilnila hliadky na hranici

Hungary has also supposedly stepped up border patrols, although i can't find any official confirmation for that in any Hungarian media**. They're mostly busy justifying their anti-immigrant fence being built by the army in the south though. Some rightwing-extremists (no, not in the government) are agitating along the lines that the Ukrainian government apparently can't protect the (sizable) Hungarian minority in Zaparkattia.

* tobacco smuggling (into the EU) is a huge business in that area.
** which, well, doesn't say much given the censorship there.
Thank you for the details.

Meanwhile there's information that a 6-year old child was briefly taken as a hostage, and that army units are continuing to move towards Mukachevo.

Also Yatsenyuk has ordered the entire personnel of the Zakarpatye customs office fired. And two Right Sector fighters were arrested.

КрыÑа из нержавеющей Ñтали - ПравоÑеки, преÑледуемые СБУ в Закарпатье, взÑли в заложники 6-летнего мальчика
КрыÑа из нержавеющей Ñтали - «Правый Ñектор» уÑтроил блокпоÑÑ‚ на выезде из Киева, а к Мукачево подÑаетÑÑ Ð±Ñ€Ð¾Ð½ÐµÑ‚ÐµÑ…Ð½Ð¸ÐºÐ°
КрыÑа из нержавеющей Ñтали - Яценюк не Ñмог победить правоÑеков и вымеÑтил злобу на закарпатÑких таможенниках
 
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