It will be a 4 crew tank with no autoloader. While some people claim it will be a clone of K-2 i doubt this , but then again it is possible like in K-9/T-155 case. Otokar will get technical assistance in designing the tank from the Korean company but we don't know the amount of help they will get.
Turkey Tank Tender
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It sure looks like one capable tank.
it´s not like that thx K-2 is the onlyone with that ability, Leopard II can also travel underwater and T-72/80/90 can also do that, thank to their snorkel which they carry have behind the turret.
i´ve seen Leo II with a huge kind of tube mounted on the commanders cupola and crossing rivers,even turkish M60 with that tube, so it´s not that kind of unique feature
Greetings to all, I've been a troll on defencetalk.com for some time and joined up today.
Anyway, the Turkish MBT project is certainly an interesting one, which many people are awaiting the outcome of. Perhaps one of the main points that makes it interesting is that this project could be held as a measure of the dedication and capabilities of the local Turkish defence/tech. industry.
Having read an interview of Murad Bayar, I recall him commenting that the engine will be directly imported, he also commented that the least experience our (Turkish) industry has is in the tanks armour, which perhaps will be one of the fundamental make or break (hopefully not literally) points of the project.
Regarding this point just last week i read a new article of Tubitak producing a new bullet-proof composition applicable layer, making me think that the local development of a tank armour is well underway.
I sincerely believe that is the only main part of the project that we will need the most research in as other components of the tank project are ripe and proven.
Does any other forumers here have any update information regarding Turkish armour development?
Cheers.
Anyway, the Turkish MBT project is certainly an interesting one, which many people are awaiting the outcome of. Perhaps one of the main points that makes it interesting is that this project could be held as a measure of the dedication and capabilities of the local Turkish defence/tech. industry.
Having read an interview of Murad Bayar, I recall him commenting that the engine will be directly imported, he also commented that the least experience our (Turkish) industry has is in the tanks armour, which perhaps will be one of the fundamental make or break (hopefully not literally) points of the project.
Regarding this point just last week i read a new article of Tubitak producing a new bullet-proof composition applicable layer, making me think that the local development of a tank armour is well underway.
I sincerely believe that is the only main part of the project that we will need the most research in as other components of the tank project are ripe and proven.
Does any other forumers here have any update information regarding Turkish armour development?
Cheers.
Have you seen this Video ?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FHyJBNFCQQ"]YouTube - Made in TÃœRKÄ°YE[/ame]
Its an inch thick, remember that the LAW and RPG can penetrate up to 40cm of steel.
owe my cool so cool this aint a joke is it i hope this is the tank they are going to make i hope they do i hope this is a large scale of it not some toy i mean it this better be i hope this whont become a joke by you turkish military analists out there i mean it this better be it lol ?
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Thank you for sharing the video, although i had seen it before im sure it is an interesting viewing material for others who had not and are following on this Turkish tank project.
It certainly is an interesting new material that provides better penetration and fragility resistance performance when compared to the performance of 40cm thick steel.
I'm not very knowledgable about metalurgy and/or tank armour compositions, I wonder if this new composition layer researched by Tubitak will be used in critical sections layering of the new tank or if the whole armour will be of such a composition.
I would very much appreciate those with knowledge to share information about other tank armour technology and how the Tubitak composition armour layer stands against them, and also if this new Tubitak composition is to be used in the new tank will it be used in solid or as partial covering over critical parts above traditional honeycombe armour (or any other methods).
Whats the weight/size of this Tubitak armour and how does it withstand multiple hits, and how will it be used in the new tank?
I regurgitated the same questions perhaps a few times but i would really appreciate those with technical knowledge on tank armour and Tubitak composition to discuss this matter, as im sure i wouldnt be the only one to be satisfied with the gained knowledge.
Cheers.
Thank you for sharing the video, although i had seen it before im sure it is an interesting viewing material for others who had not and are following on this Turkish tank project.
It certainly is an interesting new material that provides better penetration and fragility resistance performance when compared to the performance of 40cm thick steel.
I'm not very knowledgable about metalurgy and/or tank armour compositions, I wonder if this new composition layer researched by Tubitak will be used in critical sections layering of the new tank or if the whole armour will be of such a composition.
I would very much appreciate those with knowledge to share information about other tank armour technology and how the Tubitak composition armour layer stands against them, and also if this new Tubitak composition is to be used in the new tank will it be used in solid or as partial covering over critical parts above traditional honeycombe armour (or any other methods).
Whats the weight/size of this Tubitak armour and how does it withstand multiple hits, and how will it be used in the new tank?
I regurgitated the same questions perhaps a few times but i would really appreciate those with technical knowledge on tank armour and Tubitak composition to discuss this matter, as im sure i wouldnt be the only one to be satisfied with the gained knowledge.
Cheers.
hello, what i like in you is that you have the will to do something, it's very good for Turkey to use it's defence industry to produce some MBT's or even fighter aircrafts but if we see it more realistic, is it economically good, not to mention how much time it will take, for Turkey to do something like that? You would need some billions of dollars to make the design, some more billions to buy the numbers you want and then what...? will there be any money left for the air force, the navy and all the other programs you have?
About my country i wish we had the same will to do something like you do.
I am sure that the outcome of this research will be the best for you, you will have exactly what you want about your equipment and not resign on foreigner industries.
About my country i wish we had the same will to do something like you do.
I am sure that the outcome of this research will be the best for you, you will have exactly what you want about your equipment and not resign on foreigner industries.
@eliaslar
I appreciate your commentary and good will, yes such indigenous attempts to wholly or partially produce a new platform (tank, plane etc) is costly at the beginning, sure billions of dolars will be spent until the fruition of a product but these projects are not attempted without a feasibility/gain/loss analysis.
Such projects only get the go ahead when a comprehensive analysis of the products benefits are done and this includes the economic costs and gains of it too.
Acknowledging that the international tank market is already saturated with mainly American, Russian and German products i do not find it hard to see the export potential of a new Turkish tank to be marginal, however this still does not mean that economic benefits of such a product will be nill, there will always be export potentials existing to other Turkish countries like, Azerbaijan, Kazakistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kirgizishtan. Not to mention markets like Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan. Pakistan military already been a co-client in the new Turkish frigate.
Besides the initial costs of such a project will be negligable when the secondary gains it will provide to the Turkish state and civil manufacturing sectors due to this and such projects, I'm sure the 800+ billion dollar GDP economy of Turkiye will benefit more with such projects in the long run, not to mention the gains in the Turkish militarys indigenous techonological capabilities. Its all for the better.
Cheers.
I appreciate your commentary and good will, yes such indigenous attempts to wholly or partially produce a new platform (tank, plane etc) is costly at the beginning, sure billions of dolars will be spent until the fruition of a product but these projects are not attempted without a feasibility/gain/loss analysis.
Such projects only get the go ahead when a comprehensive analysis of the products benefits are done and this includes the economic costs and gains of it too.
Acknowledging that the international tank market is already saturated with mainly American, Russian and German products i do not find it hard to see the export potential of a new Turkish tank to be marginal, however this still does not mean that economic benefits of such a product will be nill, there will always be export potentials existing to other Turkish countries like, Azerbaijan, Kazakistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kirgizishtan. Not to mention markets like Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan. Pakistan military already been a co-client in the new Turkish frigate.
Besides the initial costs of such a project will be negligable when the secondary gains it will provide to the Turkish state and civil manufacturing sectors due to this and such projects, I'm sure the 800+ billion dollar GDP economy of Turkiye will benefit more with such projects in the long run, not to mention the gains in the Turkish militarys indigenous techonological capabilities. Its all for the better.
Cheers.
I agree with you about the benefits, there is a lot to gain from that. But what about the time?
If you start now, your MBT will be ready in something more than 5 years and operational in 1-2 more am i right?
Except the Leo2A4's will there be an answer to the Leo2A6HEL till then? i think most agree that this is the best MBT in the region at this moment.
If you start now, your MBT will be ready in something more than 5 years and operational in 1-2 more am i right?
Except the Leo2A4's will there be an answer to the Leo2A6HEL till then? i think most agree that this is the best MBT in the region at this moment.
oh eliaslar, your concerns regarding economic aspects are very precise and true, but lets not forget that the Turkish economy now is much stronger than it was last year and this increase in strength is growing each following year, considering that the current annual export and GDP figure is equilavent to the total numbers of the the 80 years since the establishment of the Republic of Turkiye.
Theres a tremendous exponential economic growth in the Turkish economy, as one commentor mentioned its the worlds 15th largest economy and there are fiscal plans to take it into the top 10 economies of the world.
Who knows maybe this Turkish mbt will be followed some decades later by a 4th generation Turkish mbt and Greek military could be one of the buying customers to due to techonological/economical benefits it could provide, who knows, time will tell.
Cheers.
Theres a tremendous exponential economic growth in the Turkish economy, as one commentor mentioned its the worlds 15th largest economy and there are fiscal plans to take it into the top 10 economies of the world.
Who knows maybe this Turkish mbt will be followed some decades later by a 4th generation Turkish mbt and Greek military could be one of the buying customers to due to techonological/economical benefits it could provide, who knows, time will tell.
Cheers.
so true eliaslar, but lets not forget that the current operational mbt's throughout world militaries have their beginnings at earliest some 15 years ago, i think a 5-10 year wait on research and development on a new indigenous tank that will provide self sufficieny in technology, increase and supplement local Turkish technology and industry, military capability, prevention of loss of money to outside countries on top of also the potential to gain export dollars is well worth the wait.
Just like Rome (or Turkish or Hellenic Empires for that matter) werent built in a day, building a self reliant defence industry requires projects like the Turkish mbt calling for patience and effort.
Cheers.
dos not even have to be a diffrent tank it can always be same tank with modifications to it just like L2 tank history L2A4 -> L2A5 -> L2A6 then the L2A6EX the first one whont be the best but at least it can get the job don but in the future it will get better just like the Leopard 2 tanks history and i dont know what the name of the turkish tank will be any ways
If Turkey starts a new design now i think it will be based on a present design, like LEO2 or something similar, that means that in 10 years, when this project will give it's gains, Turkey will have some vast numbers of a tank that is in use for the last 15-20 years which will be an old design for the weapons of that time and that's...a major drawback.
which will be an old design for the weapons of that time and that's...a major drawback.