The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[KipPotapych]

If the western equipment cannot cross Dnipro, Ukraine will lose the left bank. Most of the equipment they are currently using is of western origin. Note that western equipment could not cross the Russian border either.

Chances that Russia would agree to something like this are about zero, in my opinion.

 

[Feanor]

If the western equipment cannot cross Dnipro, Ukraine will lose the left bank. Most of the equipment they are currently using is of western origin. Note that western equipment could not cross the Russian border either.

Chances that Russia would agree to something like this are about zero, in my opinion.

Western equipment not crossing the Dnepr likely means western equipment operated by western forces. I can't imagine anyone intends to ban Ukraine from operating Bradleys east of the Dnepr.

 

[KipPotapych]

^ Yeah, that is why I am not sure how a rational person can see something like that being a reasonable proposal worth discussing.

About the same as Russians asking for the NATO borders return to before 1997.

 

[KipPotapych]

Interesting that it is the Ukrainians who are reporting an F-16 being downed by the Russian air defences (via Google translate):

According to Air Force sources, Ivanov's plane was probably shot down by a Russian missile.
"In total, the Russians fired three missiles at the plane. It was either a guided anti-aircraft missile from the S-400 ground complex or an air-to-air missile of the R-37," the interlocutor in the authorities said.

The circumstances are still being investigated.
However, the source excludes "friendly fire" in this situation.

According to the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Ivanov died on Saturday, April 12. The location of the event and the circumstances are not officially reported. The only clarification of the Air Force was that it was a combat sortie.
"He died in battle, defending his native land from the occupiers... Today, F-16 pilots perform combat missions in various directions almost every day in incredibly difficult conditions, carrying out exterminating cover for aviation strike groups and striking enemy objects," the message says.

All the circumstances of the tragedy are established by an interdepartmental commission that has already begun its work.

Україна заявила про загибель пілота F-16 Павла Іванова - BBC News Україна

Детальні обставини трагедії досі невідомі, але це вже друга підтверджена втрата американського винищувача в Україні

www.bbc.com

Edit: Apparently checks out with the Russian and other missile/drone tracking reports from about 13 hours ago. Example:

 

[Fredled]

If the goal of Kellogg's map is to prevent direct potential contact with Russians, then it already failed. NATO troops are already in direct contact with the Russians on the eastern border of Finland, the three Baltic states and Poland, and around Kaliningrad. More over the border with Belarus also expose NATO troops to Russian troops.
Please someone teach him geography.

Second, the deployment of the Coalition forces is useless if they can't operate everywhere in Ukraine. As Ananda said, it's like telling Putin: You can invade there, we won't intervene. That's obviously not the goal of a peace deal.

Third: If the US is not participating, they should mind their own business.

I would be very surprised if Russia accepts this.

I would be very surprise if Russia accepts anything that can be possibly proposed to them. As Soloviov said on his show:

Let them give us back Berlin, then we can start negotiating.

Soloviov is only half ironical.

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Here is the official annoucement for the F16 pilot.