The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

KipPotapych

Well-Known Member
It doesn't seem easy to stop rail traffic. Ukraine needs more bombing capacity to strike the rail road frequently enough to prevent reconstruction work.
Simply hitting rail would be a waste of munitions. Why do you think Russians do not do it on the regular basis?

I agree that they can find a few abandoned vehicles but it would be surprising that the number of new discovered trophies is in the double digits two weeks later (though I don't exclude the possibility). Usually, everything is counted withing a couple of days. It's also possible that Russians present their own wreckage as Ukrainian ones...
Something tells me that Naalsio and the like have a much better understanding of what they are doing.

Last time I checked most of the vehicles were soviet types.
This is not the case.

Second, I didn't post the numbers reported by Ukrainians. I don't play that game.
You used to post daily Russian casualties citing Ukrinform, which quotes the Ukrainian GS, not that long ago.

No, you are not. You just post one more long post about it yesterday. And I expect more to come.
Again misunderstanding. I said I am done with explaining why it is what it, as far as Kursk is concerned.

Yesterday, I likely wrote lees than 50 words talking about the equipment losses in Kursk.

I will not explain it again. Not a for while, anyway

Had Ukrainians not invaded Kursk but attacked somewhere else, you would have criticised anyway. ;)
Kursk offensive for some from the very beginning and through out:



Kursk offensive for many (today’s movement of the stock market also describes it rather well):



Kursk offensive for others from the beginning and still:



Belgorod “Russian partisans” shenanigans are the same ^.

If they attacked anywhere in Russia, yes, my reaction would be the same. It’s dumb.



Why would it be weird that they are still counting Ukrainian losses in Kursk. Even if they were withdrawn completely (which they are not, there are still remnants near the border), the losses will be counted in this sector like they are done in all other sectors.


Nasio's loss counter especially since he includes the type of material lost is a significant piece of OSINT. We can see how much of Tier 1 APCs/IFVs that Ukriane has lost. A lot of which is very hard to replace like Bradleys, Strykers and BTR-4s.
I think Fred may actually be trolling.
 

rsemmes

Active Member
My take on https://static.rusi.org/winning-the-industrial-war-comparing-russia-europe-ukraine-2022-24.pdf

One interesting point is that they do exactly as a certain (and every, I guess -like the German Army in WW2) army does. The unit does the basic repairs, the Maintenance Unit does major repairs, sometimes with teams sent by the factory (they are also sent for deep maintenance) and then "reconstruction" is sent to factory. ("We" never had a catastrophic accident (nor combat damage) so we never had to do that.)

-Alongside the higher than usually acknowledged baseline of expenditure on defence in Russia, the significant expansion of the defence budget since 2022 and the favourable structures of loans to accelerate the availability of funds for defence enterprises, defence has drawn on budgets outside spending allocated to the Ministry of Defence.
So, Russia is spending more money, but not "actually" spending it.
-Russia based many of its industrial targets in 2022 on an assessment of anticipated production in NATO countries.
How have we been doing compared to its expectations? It is not that good when you do what the enemy expects you to do.
-Currently, Russian industry is trying to adapt UMPK kits for its stocks of FAB-5000 and FAB-9000.
If, railroads are going to be in deep trouble. Range, anyone?
-It is also possible to substitute the expensive Krasnopol laser-guided 152-mm projectile and return to the Dynamika module, which was a Russian analogue of the PGK M1156 for projectiles of 152-mm calibre and above, and costs less than $1,000.
More and cheaper, if not that good/posh.
-Primarily artillery shells and missiles, the production of which has increased in Russia since the beginning of 2022 from 14 to 22 times, depending on type.
A lot more.
-Armoured vehicle manufacture, including artillery production, has remained steady at around 2,000 tanks and 3,000 other armoured fighting vehicles per year, although only about 10-15% of these are new-build. However, Russian industry is rapidly acquiring barrel machines and working to expand production lines to increase the output of new-build armoured vehicles.
For general Cavoli.
-Maximizing the combat effectiveness of weapons, according to the Russian criteria for this, by giving preference to mass, cheap samples of weapons and military equipment, and to the restoration and modernization of existing systems.
How Russia wages war, not how we wage war or how we think it should wage war.

-It is evident that Western European states had just weeks of artillery ammunition in stockpile.
How have we been doing compare to its expectations? Not great.
-First, they were unsure how long the demand would last. Second, the core requirements for the Ukrainian military were not assessed to necessarily be the same as for a NATO military -raising the question of opportunity costs. In some cases, ramping up production was seen as coming at the expense of NATO modernization. Third, many countries worried about the competitiveness of an industry over the long term. For example, even if the UK ramped up munitions production, it was feared that it would produce fewer rounds -likely at an uncompetitive price- than Germany.
-Even Intellectual Property is an issue in order to increase production
Business first and making NATO great again... Useful Ukrainians, though.
-For countries on NATO’s eastern flank, the industrial paralysis that was afflicting Europe in 2022 was a cause of alarm. NATO members were depleting their stockpiles but failing to invest in industrial capacity to sustain Ukraine’s or NATO’s ability to fight. In this context, the Estonian government began to agitate for an EU commitment to supply Ukraine with 1 million rounds of 155-mm ammunition within a year.
(The result was that from an ambition to deliver 1 million rounds in 12 months, the EU managed to contract through its framework agreements 40,000 to be made in the first year, and a further 40,000 the following year.)
Pure selfishness...
I have a question here...
-by Russia’s coercion of Europe by constraining energy supplies.
Is that about the Nordstream? I do remember Russia asking to be paid in rubles but, rationing gas?
-defence was not a top priority other than in states along NATO’s eastern flank. Politicians, therefore, largely saw the diversion of major spending from other portfolios to defence as a vote-loser, whereas gifting stores or diverting existing defence expenditure to support Ukraine was a vote-winner.
Bussiness first... votes first...
-A major barrier to scaling the whole munitions enterprise was that key parts of it -especially nitrocellulose enrichment- had been off-shored to China.
A long way to make NATO great again.
-The UK, for example, still has not replaced the man-portable weapons that it gifted to Ukraine in 2022, although it has signed contracts to do so.
I feel a lot safer now... (Living in the UK.)
-This has, in the longer term, created a divergence of interests between money spent on Ukraine and money spent on force modernization.
Them (Ukraine) or us.
-The question that Europe must answer is how it can ensure that it does not find itself in this position (meet the basic defensive needs of one country under war conditions) again.
We cannot, it would be far too expensive.

-Ukraine did not implement formal industrial mobilization. In 2022, only $60 million was allocated for these purposes. This rose to $300 million in 2023 and $1.2 billion in 2024.
No money, no troops.
-In autumn 2022, the production of 152-mm artillery shells began in Ukraine for the first time. In September 2024, Ukraine disclosed that it was producing 155-mm projectiles used in NATO artillery systems in Ukraine... by the provision of relevant machines by another state.
How many millions a year?
-limited funds and restrictions on access to components have significantly limited Ukraine’s ability to scale the output of such (missiles) programs.
No money, not enough of those components around.
-The third tier consists of companies that can replicate simpler successful designs but are not able to design effective UAVs. This comprises the bulk of enterprises.
Not that advanced, not that many.
-In 2024, the Ukraine’s private company KZVV began to produce 15 Bogdan self-propelled artillery systems of 155-mm calibre each month. (According to Ukrainian Ministers, Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, and Armed Forces of Ukraine representatives.)
We just need to compare it (the figure provided by Ukraine) to +in storage -losses.
-In 2023, of the 4.9% increase in Ukrainian GDP, 1.5 percentage points came from the defence industry.
Is Ukraine overheating its economy... Like Russia?
-a lack of funds remains the main challenge for Ukraine’s defence industries. The Ministry of Strategic Industries continues to assess a significant level of slack capacity in Ukraine’s industries owing to a lack of finance.
Nervos belli, pecuniam infinitam. Always money...
 
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Fredled

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Why would it be weird that they are still counting Ukrainian losses in Kursk. Even if they were withdrawn completely (which they are not, there are still remnants near the border), the losses will be counted in this sector like they are done in all other sectors.

Nasio's loss counter especially since he includes the type of material lost is a significant piece of OSINT. We can see how much of Tier 1 APCs/IFVs that Ukriane has lost. A lot of which is very hard to replace like Bradleys, Strykers and BTR-4s.
Because there is almost no operation in the Kursk region now. So most of these losses are vehicles which were not seen and not counted before.
 

Fredled

Active Member
This is Rheinmetal's production forecast for 2027.
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We can see clearly that production is picking up. I imagine that production has already increase as of now.
This graph is alledgedly from Bloomberg, but I saw it on Heinrich Torsten's last report on the war in Ukraine.
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KipPotapych said:
Delivery of Belgian F-16s to Ukraine delayed until 2025
Yes, I have seen the same news on Ukrinform two days before.

It's not a delay because the delivery was always planned for 2025. However, the nuance is that these are F16s for spare parts. it's not the same as an upgraded combat ready fighter jet. The next F16 following in 2026 are supposed to be flyable.

It's interesting, politically because the new prime minister and the new defence minister of Belgium are both members of the so called "right wing" movement. In fact, their party, the nVA is more Flamish nationalist than purely right wing. Since they have won the election and gain power in Belgium, they set aside their separatist claims for the moment. Bart De Wever, the leader of the nVA and the new prime minister has even paid respect to the king.

It's interesting because they are classified "right wing" politicians who haven't expressed support for Vladimir Putin or criticized Zelensky as in other European countries and who are now openly supporting Ukraine. (I don't know if it's a change in position or if it has always been like this, thought. I don't follow Belgian politics as closely as I used to.)

The funny part is that Russian propagandists can argue that Bart de Wever's grand father was a Nazi collaborator in WW2... noting that there is no coincidence. :eek:

rsemmes said:
-by Russia’s coercion of Europe by constraining energy supplies.
Is that about the Nordstream? I do remember Russia asking to be paid in rubles but, rationing gas?
No, Russia never treathened to ration gas. They still wanted to sell. Europeans simply kept paying in Euros on an account that was frozen by the sanctions. Europeans paid for gas but Russians coulnd't access the money. To touch the money, Russians wanted to be paid in Rubles. Buyers would have to buy Rubles with US Dollars (or perhaps Euros, I don't remember). Europeans refused of course, except Hungary. (I don't know which arrangement Hungary had to keep paying the Russians but they did).
Then Russia naturally stopped most gas deliveries. Because gas deliveries almost stopped, some European medias and politicians said that Russia was "using energy supply as a weapon" or something of that effect.

When the Nord Stream exploded, gas deliveries through that pipeline had already stopped. Russian gas kept flowing through another pipeline through Poland, and from a third pipeline through Ukraine. Gas kept flowing through Ukraine until mid 2024 when the contract between Russia and Ukraine ended. In fact Europeans agreed to buy gas transiting through Ukraine because part of the money went to Ukraine. Ukraine didn't renew to contract with the Russians and invaded Sudzha instead, where the pipepline control station is located.

rsemmes said:
-defence was not a top priority other than in states along NATO’s eastern flank. Politicians, therefore, largely saw the diversion of major spending from other portfolios to defence as a vote-loser, whereas gifting stores or diverting existing defence expenditure to support Ukraine was a vote-winner.
Bussiness first... votes first...
As an European, I never noticed that more spending on military would result in vote losses as long as the increase was reasonable. In fact there had been no increase, but rather decreases. And this was not to gain more votes, but because defence was an easy target for cost cutting where no one in the population would complain as long as military personnel was not fired and dwindled as they naturally retired.

However military support for Ukraine has never been a vote-winner as far as I know. Instead the right wing parties were quick to point out how Zelensky was corrupt and how this was a waste of money. They kept this speech until mid 2023, then the pro-Russian position of the traditional right wing parties softened. Today it almost stopped. But as the right wing could earn more votes with this argument, it was rather a vote-loser.

rsemmes said:
-A major barrier to scaling the whole munitions enterprise was that key parts of it -especially nitrocellulose enrichment- had been off-shored to China.
A long way to make NATO great again.
Indeed. But it's not specific to Europe. It's yet-one-more area where China is world leader. This is irresponsible given China's position today. But China hasn't been seen always seen as an "enemy".
This issue is being addressed.

rsemmes said:
-This has, in the longer term, created a divergence of interests between money spent on Ukraine and money spent on force modernization.
Them (Ukraine) or us.
I don't agree with that at all. Ukrainians are testing many modern system in real life and their experience and the data collected greatly helps European manufacturers to improve their products.
Drones and anti-drone devices development has literally boomed thanks to the war in Ukraine, to talk about the most obvious area of expertise. Just about everything else improved as well.

Beside that, there is a convergeace of interest as the Ukrainian army became an important part in the defence aparatus of the eastern border of the EU. Modernizing the Ukrainian army is like modernizing our "border guards" so to speak.

I said:
Last time I checked most of the vehicles were soviet types.
KipPotapych said:
This is not the case.
It was not the case with IFVs, APCs etc. I agree.
But it was the case with tanks.

naalsio said:
2024 #Kursk Offensive confirmed equipment losses as of 10 March 2025

In summary:
632 (+122) Ukrainian losses vs. 712 (+51) Russian losses

Ukrainian confirmed losses added since last update:

8 destroyed T-64BV
1 abandoned T-64BV Zr. 2017
1 destroyed T-64BM 'Bulat'
1 destroyed T-64BVK
1 destroyed T-72B
1 abandoned M1A1SA Abrams
5 destroyed BMP-1(P)
1 abandoned BMP-1(P)
1 captured BMP-2(K)
1 destroyed BMP-2(K)
1 destroyed BTR-3E
2 destroyed BTR-4E 'Butsefal'
1 destroyed BTR-80
1 captured M113A3
1 captured M113A3 ambulance
1 destroyed M1117 Guardian
1 abandoned M1117 Guardian
1 captured M1126 Stryker infantry carrier vehicle
7 destroyed M1126 Stryker infantry carrier vehicle
1 abandoned M1126 Stryker infantry carrier vehicle
1 abandoned M1131 Stryker fire support vehicle
2 captured M2A2 Bradley ODS-SA
5 destroyed M2A2 Bradley ODS-SA
1 destroyed MT-LB
2 destroyed Pbv 302
1 abandoned Pbv 302
1 destroyed Sisu XA-185
1 abandoned Sisu XA-185
1 captured Strf 9040C
1 destroyed Strf 9040C
3 captured VAB
3 destroyed VAB
1 destroyed BATT UMG
1 captured BMC Kirpi II
1 destroyed BMC Kirpi II
1 destroyed BMC Kirpi
1 abandoned BMC Kirpi
1 captured Bushmaster
5 destroyed Bushmaster
1 abandoned Bushmaster
1 destroyed Cougar H
1 destroyed FFG APC/MRAP
1 captured HMMWV variant
2 destroyed HMMWV variant
1 destroyed M1114/1151 HMMWV
1 abandoned M1114/1151 HMMWV
3 destroyed M1152 HMMWV
4 destroyed International M1224 MaxxPro
1 abandoned International M1224 MaxxPro
....
link

KipPotapych said:
I think Fred may actually be trolling.
...Say the guy after posting three animated gif's to ridicule me. :D LOL

Seriously, I hope we can still have constructive conversations. I'm not here to confront those with different opinions.
 
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KipPotapych

Well-Known Member
It's not a delay because the delivery was always planned for 2025.
It’s literally a delay. They planned their first delivery at the end of 2024. There was even a confusion in the media in regard to the source of the first F-16 deliveries to Ukraine before the “official” reports for this reason.

The funny part is that Russian propagandists can argue that Bart de Wever's grand father was a Nazi collaborator in WW2... noting that there is no coincidence. :eek:
There is likely a whole bunch of politicians in Europe whose grandfathers (or fathers, though parents would probably be a more appropriate term since it doesn’t stop with men) were Nazis or collaborators. That just happens to be a historic reality, no one needs to argue about it. But I am not sure how it is relevant.

Russian gas kept flowing through another pipeline through Poland
The Polish part of the Yamal-Europe pipeline stopped operating in April or May 2022. For the same reasons.

Gas kept flowing through Ukraine until mid 2024 when the contract between Russia and Ukraine ended.
The gas kept flowing through Ukraine until January 1, 2025. That’s when the contract ended.

Ukraine didn't renew to contract with the Russians and invaded Sudzha instead, where the pipepline control station is located.
It’s just a metering station (hence, it’s proximity to the border), not a control station. The “control station” is very far away. I understand that that’s how Ukrinform probably reported it, as did many other UA outlets (even talking about “free gas” and whatnot at the time), but all it was is just nonsense, of course.

And this was not to gain more votes, but because defence was an easy target for cost cutting where no one in the population would complain as long as military personnel was not fired and dwindled as they naturally retired.
In that one sentence you are saying that it was not to gain the votes, but not to lose them; which can be argued to be the same thing, depending on the circumstances (and those were the circumstances). I have no beef in this, just an observation.

It was not the case with IFVs, APCs etc. I agree.
But it was the case with tanks.
That would be exactly what one would expect because they have way more T-insert numbers combined than they have western tanks. It would be extremely weird if that was not the case. It would also mean that things are quite over.

Side note: tanks are also vehicles, which was your reference; hence my previous post.

...Say the guy after posting three animated gif's to ridicule me. :D LOL
All in good fun.

Seriously, I hope we can still have constructive conversations. I'm not here to confront those with different opinions.
It is rather hard to have a constructive conversation when you contradict basic facts in every or every other post. I have zero issues with different opinions. After all, that is why we are all here, to discuss, learn, etc. But I am sure everyone here probably appreciates that, at the very least, the basic facts are not misrepresented.


This is a great discussion on the subject of Russian energy exports, relation to this war, etc. I certainly thought of things I haven’t thought of before while and after listening to this (it is from Carnegie):


This is another good listen from RUSI and partially explains why I said a few days ago that Ukrainian control in the Black Sea is not even remotely close to that of Russia:


Related to the subject (Ukrainian outlet in English):


This is another solid listen, where Niall Ferguson discusses Ukraine, China, US administration, geopolitics, etc. I actually disagree with him on a lot of things (including in this conversation in particular), especially as related to his rather strong support and promotion of Trump (which he somewhat changed his mind on now), but it is a great discussion nonetheless (my credentials are pretty laughable compared to his too, to be fair):


Note that none of this is “fresh off the press” (the last discussion is from three weeks ago, for example), but these are the things I had time to listen to today and would recommend to others.


Syrsky claims, in complete support of Zelensky’s earlier statement, that the Russian offensive in the northeastern Ukraine has began.


I would actually call it a logical progression of the counteroffensive that began after Ukraine invaded Kursk and is completely self-inflicted, which makes the following to be an idiotic take:

Ukrainian officials and experts have been warning that Russia may launch a new offensive against the two northeastern regions to strengthen its hand in potential negotiations.
 

Vivendi

Well-Known Member
Ukrainian manufacturing has really picked up; expecting to manufacture 5 million FPV drones in 2025 compared to 2 million in 2024. Also 30,000 long range drones and 3,000 cruise missiles. Link

In addition to the increase in manufacturing by Rheimetall, also other European manufacturers are picking up speed. Nammo is opening a new factory in Denmark but is also expanding in Norway, in addition Norway is doing what Denmark and many other countries are doing: investing in manufacturing in Ukraine. Ny fabrikk skal auke norsk ammunisjonsproduksjon - regjeringen.no
Norge gir en halv milliard kroner til ukrainsk forsvarsindustri - regjeringen.no

The really good news though is that Germany will soon get a new leadership who seems to understand what needs to be done. They have signaled increased spending on defense, and also support for Ukraine.

Rheinmetall is securing manufacturing of nitrocellulose. And European manufacturing of 155 ammo is expected reach 2 million this year.
Rheinmetall secures nitrocellulose supply amid European ammo scramble
 
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kato

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
Rheinmetall is securing manufacturing of nitrocellulose. And European manufacturing of 155 ammo is expected reach 2 million this year.
Rheinmetall secures nitrocellulose supply amid European ammo scramble
Small note: Rheinmetall already was manufacturing nitrocellulose beforehand at three factories. The Hagedorn-NC facilities will just be their first in Germany.
The takeover is still subject to approval by antitrust agencies. Considering there's three or four other nitrocellulose producers in Germany should be fine though.
 

rsemmes

Active Member
When the Nord Stream exploded
"Exploded"?
It "exploded", really?

BTW...
Oleksandr V Danylyuk closely cooperated for many years with the Ukrainian government structures in the defence, security and intelligence sectors. In 2014, he was the Chief Advisor to the Minister of Defence of Ukraine. He subsequently served as a Special Advisor to the Head of the Foreign Intelligence Service of Ukraine and Assistant to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and for many years was also a member of the Parliamentary Working Group on Countering Hybrid Threats. For the past few years, he has been the coordinator of the Ukraine–NATO platform for the early detection and countering of hybrid threats.
Whoever disagrees, disagrees with that guy at RUSI. (A Russian propagandist, maybe? Like NYT?)

On a personal note, I would say that @Fredled is here to provide an out-of-touch-with-reality opinion from one of those selfish "states along NATO’s eastern flank." "Exploded" being a case in point.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
... In addition to the increase in manufacturing by Rheimetall, also other European manufacturers are picking up speed. Nammo is opening a new factory in Denmark ...
Reopening of an old government factory*, sold off to a Spanish firm, Expal, which closed it down in 2020. The government bought it back & invited tenders by manufacturers to operate it as an ammunition factory again. Nammo bid & won.

*Founded in 1676, moved to new buildings in Copenhagen in the 19th century, & to the current site far from Copenhagen in 1968.
 

KipPotapych

Well-Known Member
Posted that ^ before meaning to do so. I’ll just post this separately, I guess.

While this is probably one of the better discussions I listened to in some time, it is mostly unrelated to this thread. However, I would recommend Larry’s answer to the question at 52:35 mark of this discussion (to about 58:50). The guy asked him what he thought of the viability of the economic warfare (in the multipolar world, he pointed out), specifically on the example of Russia and its war against Ukraine.


I would actually recommend listening to the entire thing, really. Even though this has little to do with this thread, it is an outstanding discussion on economics, tariffs, China, etc.
 

Fredled

Active Member
Military Aid:
I agree with Boris Pistorius that Putin shouldn't count on lower western aid to Ukraine. Europeans are taking the matter very seriously.
Ukraine will receive fresh military support worth 350 million pounds ($500 million) from UK.
Reuters said:
Britain will provide 350 million pounds of the amount from its 4.5-billion-pound military support package for Ukraine this year, with Norway contributing further funding, Britain's ministry of defence said.
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The funding will provide repairs and maintenance to vehicles and equipment as well as radar systems, anti-tank mines and hundreds of thousands of drones.
Germany's Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said:
Russia should be under no illusion: Ukraine is becoming stronger.
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Yet I firmly believe that this window will only open if we show Russia that Ukraine wants to and will be able to continue fighting if necessary -- with more and more advanced weapon systems, with sufficien.t missiles and ammunition, with well-trained forces.

After a ceasefire or a possible peace accord, Ukraine will still be able to deter and defend itself, adding that partner countries are making long-term commitments to arms supplies that stretch years into the future.

Germany, both under the current and future government, would continue to support Ukraine and has increased its defence assistance budget accordingly.
link

Kaja Kallas said:
On the European side, last year we supported Ukraine with EUR 20 billion [in military assistance]. This year, member states have already committed over EUR 23 billion.
However, on the European deployment in Ukraine, aka Coalition of the Willing, there is no agreement yet and, IMO, it won't be easy for European leaders to reach one.
I think that it will be possible to talk about it only when there will be a peace deal or a complete truce.
Ideally, they should decide about it before a truce is signed to be prepared for deployment immediately after, but psychologically, it's difficult to commit to something when the fighting is still raging.
Kaja Kallas said:
countries involved in the "Coalition of the Willing" have not yet reached an agreement on the composition and mandate of a potential "reassuring force" linked to a future peace agreement, as there are differing national perspectives on the role and structure of such a force.
link

Estonian Defence Minister Hanno Pevkur said:
Estonia will transfer 10,000 155mm artillery shells and 750,000 food rations to Ukraine either this week or next week.
link
It should be noted that relative to their population, it's one shell for every 30 Estonians.

US Diplomacy:

U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Bridget Brink intends to resign from her post early.
One senior U.S. official said:
her resignation stems from an unusual mix of personal and policy concerns
Steve Witkoff travelled to Russia and met President Vladimir Putin on Friday
Reuters said:
Less than 48 hours after dining with a negotiator sent by Russian President Vladimir Putin in Washington last week, Steve Witkoff, the U.S. special envoy leading talks with Moscow, sat down with President Donald Trump in the White House and delivered a clear message.

The fastest way to broker a ceasefire in Ukraine, said Witkoff, was to support a strategy that would give Russia ownership of four eastern Ukrainian regions it attempted to annex illegally in 2022, two U.S. officials and five people familiar with the situation told Reuters.
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It was a point Witkoff had made previously – and publicly in a podcast interview with conservative media personality Tucker Carlson last month
Witkoff first publicly floated the idea of handing over to Russia the four Ukrainian regions - Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson - in the March 21 interview with Carlson.

“They’re Russian-speaking,” he said of the eastern territories. “There have been referendums where the overwhelming majority of the people have indicated that they want to be under Russian rule.”

Witkoff’s comments shocked many U.S. national security officials - the special envoy’s rhetoric mirrored that of Russian officials.

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Two European officials, who have had recent contacts with the administration, said there was pressure for the negotiating team to quickly get results, which worried them that the U.S. might not only accept moves that could undermine Ukraine, but Europe’s own security architecture.
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Summary of the last Xavier Tytelman's podcast during his last vixit on the Ukrainian front line.

1/ Ukrainians reached numerical parity with Russians in the number of shells. Earlier, Ukrainians broke even with the Russians thanks to the higher accuracy of their artillery. They had twice less shells but they also needed twice less shells to hit a target. Today, they have the same number of shells as the Russians, and still higher accuracy.
It doesn't mean that Ukrainians have all the shells they need. They need more shells to counter Russians attacks. It only means that the Russians have lost their advantage.

2/ Ukrainians are using heavy copter drones for remote mining and last mile logistic.
For mining missions, they carry four anti-tank mines. It's especially effective when they drop mines after Russian had cleared mines before. Russians think that the area is safe and explode on the new mines.

For logistic, these drone can carry up to 40kg but to preserve the life of the drones, they carry only 20kg at a a time. They take off 2 or 3 km from the line of contact, and deliver food and other supplies to the soldiers in the trenches. This method is much more safer.

They fly the heavy drones only at night to avoid detection. They also make sure no Russian recon drone is flying in the area.

3/ When retreating from the Kursk region, Ukrainians blew up their vehicles before abandoning them. It's not clear whether they blew all their vehicles without exception or only a few ones whene they had the possibility. The point is not all the vehicles captured by the Russians where left intact, perhaps only a few were.

Ukrainians lost most of their vehicles due to lack of fuel. (At least that's what Ukrainians told him).
When retreating they didn't have the possibility to mine the land behind them to stop the Russian advance.
Not clear whether they were not allowed to by the high command or because they didn't have the mines or other material reasons.

4/ Snipers are shooting at Russians trying to cross from the other bank of the Dnipro, in the Kherson region. Sometimes as far as 1200 meters away.
Russians try many time to cross on small boats. They fight for the small islands of the delta.
There is a rumour that Russian commanders refused an order to launch an attack on the Right Bank because it was too dangerous.

5/ Fiber-optic drones are only 10 or 15% of all Russian FPV drones. But they make most of the damage. It's still very difficult for the Ukrainians to counter them.

6/ Overall, the situations on the front line is still extremely difficult for the Ukrainians but they are satisfied, for the moment, with a defensive tactic.
There is no counter offensive in preparation (and even if there were one, they wouldn't told him) and local counter-attacks are limited in size and quantities.

Ukrainians would like a cease fire now because they are still losing land and soldiers as long as the Russian keep attacking. They don't see any prospect for reversing the trend and retaking territory. To retake territory, they would need more tanks and heavy weapons.
They believe that if they received more equipment, they could recruit more volunteers. Some people still want to fight in Ukraine to defend their country. But they don't want to do it with just an old riffle in their hand.
 
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Ananda

The Bunker Group
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Times put this map as according to them this what Keith Kellogg "suggest" should happen as war partition. This is so far have no official confirmation from US Trump, but somehow I do sense it is in line of the present US administration thinking.

  • Basically no US boots on the ground, and no US direct involvement after the War to keep the peace. The responsibility in the ground should be handle by Euro Nato.
  • Euro NATO in the ground also should not have direct potential contact with Russian.
This map basically put Dniper as natural boundaries for any Euro ground involvement. The grayish blue area eventough still technically under Ukraine, but Military involvement of Euro (mostly UK and French) put those 2 UN permanent security members as the one that taking responsibility. Ukraine only have "free hand" in the east of Dniper that still in their control.

I'm still bit chuckling on some Euro pro Ukraine online 'influencers' that call this unacceptable and Euro can go on to support Ukraine without US. Euro can still help Ukraine to kick Russia out without US. Well will see if most Euro taxpayers agree on that.
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
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Times put this map as according to them this what Keith Kellogg "suggest" should happen as war partition. This is so far have no official confirmation from US Trump, but somehow I do sense it is in line of the present US administration thinking.

  • Basically no US boots on the ground, and no US direct involvement after the War to keep the peace. The responsibility in the ground should be handle by Euro Nato.
  • Euro NATO in the ground also should not have direct potential contact with Russian.
This map basically put Dniper as natural boundaries for any Euro ground involvement. The grayish blue area eventough still technically under Ukraine, but Military involvement of Euro (mostly UK and French) put those 2 UN permanent security members as the one that taking responsibility. Ukraine only have "free hand" in the east of Dniper that still in their control.

I'm still bit chuckling on some Euro pro Ukraine online 'influencers' that call this unacceptable and Euro can go on to support Ukraine without US. Euro can still help Ukraine to kick Russia out without US. Well will see if most Euro taxpayers agree on that.
That's a very optimistic map. Are they really hoping Ukraine will cede the territory in red? Or are they assuming Russia will agree to a frozen conflict? Nevermind that the line of contact keeps moving.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
Are they really hoping Ukraine will cede the territory in red? Or are they assuming Russia will agree to a frozen conflict? Nevermind that the line of contact keeps moving.
The way I see it, Trump US will tell Ukraine and Russia, the Dniper is boundaries of no go on the conflict. Whether Ukraine and Russia still want to continue the conflict, then do it in East side of Dniper. By Putting UK and French as the responsibility partner in that area, it is also tell Russia West side of Dniper is the red line. East side, well Russia and Ukraine can sort it out by themselves if need be.

Whether Russian and Ukraine accept this, thar will be the interesting question.
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
The way I see it, Trump US will tell Ukraine and Russia, the Dniper is boundaries of no go on the conflict. Whether Ukraine and Russia still want to continue the conflict, then do it in East side of Dniper. By Putting UK and French as the responsibility partner in that area, it is also tell Russia West side of Dniper is the red line. East side, well Russia and Ukraine can sort it out by themselves if need be.

Whether Russian and Ukraine accept this, thar will be the interesting question.
I would be very surprised if Russia accepts this. Ukrainian logistics and manufacturing are west of the Dnepr on a large scale. It would amount to a safe zone for Ukraine to train troops, produce equipment, and run a functioning economy. I don't see why Ukraine wouldn't accept a safe zone west of the Dnepr, but this map also shows a demilitarized zone. How will that be enforced? Minsk 1 and 2 had demilitarized zones. This looks much like a Minsk 3 deal but with western military involvement in western Ukraine. From a Russian standpoint accepting this makes no sense. From a Ukrainian standpoint accepting this would likely be just a way of continuing the war. Meaning this would distinctly not be a peace deal. I suspect Russia will demand something along the lines of an enforcement mechanism that would meaningfully prevent Ukraine from continuing the war. The alternative would be a disarmed Ukraine, something Ukraine and it's western backers don't want to accept. But an armed Ukraine with western military presence as an ultimate red line west of the Dnepr would have little reason not to try to retake lost lands.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
But an armed Ukraine with western military presence as an ultimate red line west of the Dnepr would have little reason not to try to retake lost lands.
It is also can be read by the Russian that they can take all East Side of Dniper if Ukraine still want to continue the war, as West will not interfere on East Side of Dniper. It can be seen as Ukrainie or Russia advantages with this partition, depends on the way the details work.

I agree with you though, the question will be details on hows going to work on the partition. What if the partition means also Western equipment can not cross Dniper? That will be advantage to Russia.
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
It is also can be read by the Russian that they can take all East Side of Dniper if Ukraine still want to continue the war, as West will not interfere on East Side of Dniper. It can be seen as Ukrainie or Russia advantages with this partition, depends on the way the details work.

I agree with you though, the question will be details on hows going to work on the partition. What if the partition means also Western equipment can not cross Dniper? That will be advantage to Russia.
They can in theory currently take the west side of the Dnepr. They were in Kherson before and they're currently claiming the entire region.
 
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