The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

^ Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see what it is and what happens.

edit: the RU media is reporting that they closed the Red Square and the M4 highway in Rostov region.
 
vikingatespam said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1672368863457996801

claims of actual combat on a road to Moscow by elements of Wagner.

W...T...F... is going on.
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According to multiple posts on Twitter and Telegram, Prigozhin very recently allegedly said he was about to enter Rostov. Kazach'i Lageri is north of Rostov and not on the main Rostov-Moscow Highway. Even if Prigozhin was telling a lie or magically passed through Rostov unnoticed, why would he take a detour through Kazach'i Lageri?
 
Something is happening, can this all be theatre ?

From TASS Russia:

Criminal case opened against Wagner head amid threat of escalating confrontation — FSB "Criminal case opened against Wagner head amid threat of escalating confrontation — FSB"

Putin has been briefed on situation with Prigozhin, measures are being taken — Kremlin "Putin has been briefed on situation with Prigozhin, measures are being taken — Kremlin"

Car traffic on M-4 highway in Rostov Region blocked, cars being turned back "Car traffic on M-4 highway in Rostov Region blocked, cars being turned back"
 
Capt. Ironpants said:
According to multiple posts on Twitter and Telegram, Prigozhin very recently allegedly said he was about to enter Rostov. Kazach'i Lageri is north of Rostov and not on the main Rostov-Moscow Highway. Even if Prigozhin was telling a lie or magically passed through Rostov unnoticed, why would he take a detour through Kazach'i Lageri?
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Granted that this is all supposition, but Wagner doesnt have to be in one monolithic group.

[I shrug] - cant tell how real this is, but Im opening a beer and watching the news channels for a bit
 
Whatever it is, I bet we will be hearing a lot less from the chef.

He should be coming out with some kind of statement any time now, no?
 
vikingatespam said:
Granted that this is all supposition, but Wagner doesnt have to be in one monolithic group.

[I shrug] - cant tell how real this is, but Im opening a beer and watching the news channels for a bit
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They literally weren't until this war. Prigozhin managed a series of linked units that all operated under him, and some reported to Utkin (it's not clear all did). This is why until this war I generally dissuaded people from talking about Wagner as a single entity. It wasn't. However this effort changed things a lot.

vikingatespam said:
Something is happening, can this all be theatre ?
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Rozhin thinks it's all theater.
 
KipPotapych said:
Whatever it is, I bet we will be hearing a lot less from the chef.

He should be coming out with some kind of statement any time now, no?
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Unlikely, at least not until morning I presume. Some say his Telegram messages were pre-written and scripted to be sent at a set time. This is somewhat believable. All statements were written or verbal only. No video footage as far as I'm aware.
 
Feanor said:
They literally weren't until this war. Prigozhin managed a series of linked units that all operated under him, and some reported to Utkin (it's not clear all did). This is why until this war I generally dissuaded people from talking about Wagner as a single entity. It wasn't. However this effort changed things a lot.



Rozhin thinks it's all theater.
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Im trying to figure out whats the point of this much drama theatre ?
 
Big_Zucchini said:
Unlikely, at least not until morning I presume. Some say his Telegram messages were pre-written and scripted to be sent at a set time. This is somewhat believable. All statements were written or verbal only. No video footage as far as I'm aware.
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I've seen that both on Telegram and Twitter. Could be. If true, Prigozhin could be already arrested -- or he went stark raving mad and, lacking a proper straight jacket, his guys are sitting on him until the little men in white coats can get there. Okay, I'm having a little fun here.

I've seen no video confirmation anywhere of "musicians" on the highway, etc.

Interesting video of Surovikin (too much vodka or too little sleep?):

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Репортёр Руденко V

⚡️ Обращение к бойцам ЧВК «Вагнер» генерал-лейтенанта Алексеева Владимира Степановича. @rtrdonetsk
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EDIT: The sanest channels on both Telegram and Twitter are carrying on about missile strikes inside Ukraine, not much on the Wagner situation anymore.

EDIT2: Okay, I was having fun earlier about the men in white coats, but it's getting curiouser and curiouser:

Кепка Пригожина

You can view and join @Prigozhin_hat right away.
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It's like Prigozhin has written some bizarre action movie script for himself. None of which appears to actually be happening. Still no vids of Wagers to be found, but more vids of Guards vehicles are showing up, but they seem calm enough.
 
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A lot of theatre perhaps but have Wagner forces had a crossing the Rubicon moment ,a long military convoy heading to Moscow is something even the air force could not miss ,is it correct the upper dams of the Dnieper in Ukraine control have stopped flows of water potentially drying out large sections of previous areas not able to be crossed because of undamaged dams ,these areas it is claimed may not support heavy vehicles it is claimed but lighter vehicles may be possible and those Russian forces pulled from Kherson recently to support in the southern region against direct attacks from Ukraine may be switched back?
 
Wouldn’t be the first time Russian troops mutinied. When it happened in WW1 it led to the bolsheviks seizing power.

From the viewpoint of the average Russian conscript they are poorly equipped, poorly paid, and being used as cannon fodder. Also they are more likely to be from poorer parts of Russia with ethnic minorities that do not necessarily have any great love of the Russian government.

I don’t imagine many of those troops have any desire to continue fighting what they would see as a pointless war.
 
seaspear said:
A lot of theatre perhaps but have Wagner forces had a crossing the Rubicon moment ,a long military convoy heading to Moscow is something even the air force could not miss ,is it correct the upper dams of the Dnieper in Ukraine control have stopped flows of water potentially drying out large sections of previous areas not able to be crossed because of undamaged dams ,these areas it is claimed may not support heavy vehicles it is claimed but lighter vehicles may be possible and those Russian forces pulled from Kherson recently to support in the southern region against direct attacks from Ukraine may be switched back?
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Who knows? As you can hear in link on my last edit in my last post, Prigozhin has been claiming that the air force was ordered to attack his Wagner columns from the air even though they are passing among civilian vehicles and says the pilots refused to fire on them. Later, he says they are being attacked by two planes and gives their numbers. Like I said, it's like he's written some crazy action movie script for himself. Still no credible sightings of any Wagner columns reported that I have seen.
 
Capt. Ironpants said:
Who knows? As you can hear in link on my last edit in my last post, Prigozhin has been claiming that the air force was ordered to attack his Wagner columns from the air even though they are passing among civilian vehicles and says the pilots refused to fire on them. Later, he says they are being attacked by two planes and gives their numbers. Like I said, it's like he's written some crazy action movie script for himself. Still no credible sightings of any Wagner columns reported that I have seen.
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Or someone else wrote it for him and he's actually already in custody. This feels like theater, which makes me question the reality of any of it.
 
Feanor said:
Maybe Prigozhin is already arrested and this is all fake justification for it with nothing really happening.
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That's an idea I've toyed with in my mind, but it seems pretty risky if elements loyal to Putin are orchestrating this crazy charade, especially considering the stuff on Prigozhin is saying (or supposedly saying if the posts on "his" Telegram posts are all fake). An elaborate plot to catch disloyal elements? Again, mighty risky. It's all very strange. But then I've always thought wars could be so strange.

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Feanor said:
Or someone else wrote it for him and he's actually already in custody. This feels like theater, which makes me question the reality of any of it.
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Looks like we were typing at the same time. I agree, it feels like theater. But it still seems like very risky theater to me.
 
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