The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

KipPotapych

Well-Known Member
I am reading, at the same time...
"Volodymyr Zelensky is prepared to cede the territory as part of a peace deal set in motion by the US president and Vladimir Putin’s meeting in Alaska this week, The Daily Telegraph has reported."
and
"Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky says his country “will not give land to the occupier.” CNN

Confusing? Yes, but no one is negotiating yet.
Could be “ceasefire without security guarantees is unacceptable” and once realization settles, no guarantees are going to be provided and Putin will not accept unconditional ceasefire, “we demand unconditional ceasefire” and “ball is Putin’s court”. In other words, “We will accept a land swap that Russia will find unacceptable.

This is also interesting:

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Confusing, lol. I find it extremely hard to believe. It makes zero sense. We shall see.
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
Could be “ceasefire without security guarantees is unacceptable” and once realization settles, no guarantees are going to be provided and Putin will not accept unconditional ceasefire, “we demand unconditional ceasefire” and “ball is Putin’s court”. In other words, “We will accept a land swap that Russia will find unacceptable.

This is also interesting:

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Confusing, lol. I find it extremely hard to believe. It makes zero sense. We shall see.
It appears this is someone's interpretation of some of Trump's statements. It may or may not be a correct interpretation. My read of his discussion of land swaps was that he would ask for Russia to return Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, and Sumy region areas. Another version of this interpretation is in the link below. To throw into the pile of "educated guesses", here's another version, this one mine; Russia gains all of Donetsk and Lugansk with official recognition, but the conflict is frozen is Kherson and Zaporozhye, with Ukraine "retaining sovereignty" and Russia having a "right to access Crimea", but on the ground the reality remains a frozen conflict along the line of contact.


On a side note, here are another couple of takes on the current situation with the Russian breakthrough north of Pokrovsk area from alternate map makers. I think the situation is still murky, and there are reports of Ukrainian reserves on the move, so it remains to be seen how things stabilize, when they do. Also the fog of war remains strong, so even though we have first reports of Russian infantry on the outskirts of Dobropol'ye, out of the line of towns Rodinskoe-Biletskoe-Dobropol'ye-Belozerskoe, none have fallen yet, with Russian troops inside Rodinskoe but the town still contested. I think Rodinskoe will fall soon, and the door will start to close on the Pokrovsk area, Biletskoe may or may not fall soon, depending on just how bad the situation is in that area.

 
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