On the “unconditional ceasefire”. Those who think that this is a reasonable and fully acceptable proposal, can you provide some historic examples where this has been done, accepted by both sides, stopped the hostilities, and, ideally, led to peace? This is a serious question as I would appreciate some historic perspective this can worked around. I can’t think of any relevant examples, but this may very well be my lack of knowledge. To me, the entire proposal seems to be completely absurd, as I discussed previously.
On the “nobody cares what Russians think, we will just put the troops on ground”. To me, this idea is just as much absurd. First of all, if this is a peacekeeping force we are talking about, both sides have to agree to it (unless imposed by the UN) and both sides are to be monitored and be discouraged from the hostile actions. Second, we are clearly talking about a force whose main premise is to deter the potential future Russian aggression, a tripwire force, not some peacekeeping mission. So what’s on the other side of the wire? How many countries do fully accept the reality of going to war with Russia without the American support (or even with)? The whole idea is built around the fact that something bad is going to happen to the side that decides to resume the hostilities. In this case, it is only one side’s hostilities the tripwire force is concerned with; at least from the presentation we have seen so far. In fact, the other side’s goals are supported and encouraged by this force - that is, restoration of the 2014 border, etc. So in this context, what are the consequences Russia is threatened with? What is going to happen when a member of this force gets killed due to the Russian activities? A dozen gets killed? A hundred? More? Is the European society ready to go to war with Russia over Ukriane? Is Europe prepared to do so? Because this is what the proposal really entails. There needs to be a honest discussion about this, beyond political statements intended for the speaker to look good. I understand the lemmings being completely ok with it, even encouraging it, but the European leaders fully supporting the idea should (and do, no question) fully realize what the idea entails and should be able to have an honest discussion about it. Ideally, see where their general population stands on the issue, perhaps.
I'm not sure how President Trump will react to this but certainly President Putin is here telling the audience that President Trump can wait by the phone and he is certainly in no hurry for this arranged call
But is it what actually happened?
Imagine a situation, where Trump is sitting by the phone waiting for Putin to connect or call back, as the guy in the video insists to be the case. Imagine, at the same time, Putin is sitting and laughing about it on video, making him wait for an hour.
Lately (few years now, about when covid began, I would say) I am really… not even sure what the word is. Amazed? No, that’s not it. More of the opposite… Anyway, the point is no matter how unreasonable the proposal may seem to be, otherwise very reasonable people take it at face value instead of for what it is. I guess “reasonable” is, perhaps, relative, but my point remains. It’s like the world had gone mad and dragged people along with it. Maybe we have had it “good” for too long or something. I really don’t know what it is and have given it some thought. Perhaps, it is always like this, but it really comes to the surface in the extreme circumstances?
