Capt. Ironpants
Active Member
Yes, I am aware Ukraine was a long way away from NATO membership (they were recently told they are at least ten years away). My putting words in Putin's mouth was just a guess at what I imagine *he* might be saying with this "referendum" not what *I* think. The Belarus referendum was scheduled weeks ago, at least. @Feanor mentioned it some while ago here. I do think it was unfortunate there was loose talk back in 2014 about Ukraine joining NATO and turning Sebastopol into a NATO port.NATO nukes in Ukraine is Russian disinformation, and should not be taken seriously. Ukraine was very far from becoming a NATO member in the first place, at least until Putin invaded.
Putin is becoming desperate, things are not going according to plan. He has fundamentally changed German defense policy in a few days, he has united NATO, he has united EU, and he has brought Sweden and Finland even closer to NATO than before.
EU, the UK, the US, Canada, and several other countries are going after the oligarchs in a way that was unthinkable just a few days ago. They are not used to feeling any kind of pain. They could fly their private jets to Miami, London, or Nice. Now that's not possible anymore, their fortunes abroad are being frozen, and start to realize that the "deal" they had with Putin is not looking so attractive anymore.
@Feanor Yes, I should think the Russians would demand the very things they declared as preconditions earlier. It's often done in "peace negotiations" to agree to "no preconditions" and then impose the same conditions for peace that were previously imposed for "talks". It's a waste of everyone's time and is just a bit of "see everybody, we want peace, but they would not agree" PR theater. This is something I do have professional experience with, unfortunately.