The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[ngatimozart]

This report claims US supplied HIMARS have been modified to prevent the use of ATACMS. It is unclear if the mods are software, hardware or both. Hopefully it is a software mod which can be quickly changed to restore ATACMS, something that will become necessary IMO given the huge on going infrastructure attacks on Ukraine. The time is approaching the point where some serious $hit needs to come Putin’s way.

Ukrainian HIMARS Can't Fire Long Range ATACMS Missiles: Report

HIMARS launchers sent to Ukraine are reportedly modified so they can't use ATACMS missiles over fears about potential escalation with Russia.

www.thedrive.com

Yep, posted that yesterday or the day before in an update.

It appears that the Russians have either run out of the Iranian Shaheed 136 UAV or the Iranian UAVs are allergic to Russian and Ukrainian winters. The Ukrainians report not having seen any for about 3 weeks.

Ukraine Situation Report: Russia Ran Out Of Iranian Shahed-136 Drones Says Kyiv

Iranian-made Shahed-136 drones were last seen over Ukraine about three weeks ago and its Air Force says Russia likely has none left.

www.thedrive.com

Also "somebody" attacked a Russian airfield in Kursk and has set the place ablaze.

Russian Airfield In Kursk Set Ablaze By Apparent Ukrainian Drone Strike

For the second day in a row, Ukraine has launched an apparent drone strike against an airbase in Russia.

www.thedrive.com

Latest map update with not much change.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600285761554812928

Video on Ukrainians using the Gepard SPAAG.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600108768838098944

Ukrainian MANPAD team engaging Russian aircraft.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600283454750527488

A very distressed Bukhanka.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600241360002392066

Destruction of a rare Russian KAMAZ-43269 "Vystrel" APC. Apparently the first documented case.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600215276494069762

Guide to Russian UAVs:

Too Little, Too Late - A Guide To Russia’s Armed Drones

www.oryxspioenkop.com

There's been another POW exchange.
https://twitter.com/InUAOfficial/status/1600151578538819584?s=20&t=qdA75ipTBZd755he0WaoqQ

 

[Feanor]

Yep, posted that yesterday or the day before in an update.

It appears that the Russians have either run out of the Iranian Shaheed 136 UAV or the Iranian UAVs are allergic to Russian and Ukrainian winters. The Ukrainians report not having seen any for about 3 weeks.

Ukraine Situation Report: Russia Ran Out Of Iranian Shahed-136 Drones Says Kyiv

Iranian-made Shahed-136 drones were last seen over Ukraine about three weeks ago and its Air Force says Russia likely has none left.

www.thedrive.com

A bunch more just hit Dnepropetrovsk. It doesn't look like it's the weather. It might be a combination of adjusting to new Ukrainian air defenses, and accumulating enough for another major wave of strikes.

 

[Feanor]

Update. Nov 20th-22nd

Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa.

Two destroyed Russian S-300s in Kherson region.

Moscow calling

Тот самый ЗРК С-300 в Херсонской области (47.02903,33.24020), уничтоженный, судя по всему, прилётом HIMARS, и "добитый" псевдоЛанцетом (разумеется, этот факт был представлен как перемога над ВСУ на всех Z-каналах). Обратите внимание на камуфляж ЗРК - остатков ВСУшного "пикселя" не наблюдается...

t.me

Ukrainian security forces going house to house detaining people in Kherson region. In some cases it's apparently cause for detention to be signed up for Russian social media accounts or having Russian currency (namely the individual in this video).

Moscow calling

"Фильтрация" населения в Херсоне - на видео украинские бойцы, вероятно, по "наводке" местных жителей, задерживают пророссийских граждан по обвинению в "коллаборационизме" и "работе наводчиками". В качестве "обвинения" - подписки на российские Телеграм-каналы "Кактусы Сибири", "Тихая гавань"...

t.me

⚡️Z Правда Шурави.

Вот так проходит «фильтрация» в Херсоне, ждуны сдают нацистам соседей, якобы «сторонников русского мира». Судьба этих людей неизвестна. Не напоминает ничего? Как в ВОВ сосед сдавал полицаям своего соседа, с которыми просто был в ссоре, что бы таким способом отомстить, или просто из чувства...

t.me

Zaporozhye-Dnepropetrovsk.

Russian 2S3s in Zaporozhye, it's likely more footage from the same unit as above.

Colonelcassad

Работа расчетов 152-мм самоходных гаубиц 2С3 «Акация» на Запорожском направлении.

t.me

In Zaporozhye region a family of 4 was murdered in Russian occupied areas. Russian occupation authorities have arrested two Russian service members for it. While this is a tragedy, Russian reaction is much healthier then previously. Crimes happen, they should be investigated and prosecuted.

Осторожно, новости

В Запорожской области совершено убийство семьи из четырех человек. По подозрению в совершении преступления задержаны двое военных. По данным “Осторожно, новости”, 18 ноября в поселке Камыш-Заря (под контролем РФ) были обнаружены тела четырех человек. Погибшими оказались члены одной семьи —...

t.me

Russian volunteer btln named after Pavel Sudoplatov in Zaporozhye received donated pickup trucks.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

VK.com | VK

vk.com

VK.com | VK

vk.com

VK.com | VK

vk.com

Oskol Front.

Ukrainian BTR-4 getting taken out near Svatovo. We've seen a few BTR-4s getting hit in this area, after they've been absent from footage for a while. This suggests a Ukrainian unit with BTR-4s recently arrived in the area.

Военный Осведомитель

Обстрел техники ВСУ в районе Сватово. В конце уничтоженный БТР-4 @ordinaryczarizm

t.me

Allegedly Russian Krasnopol' fires near Kupyansk.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

Battle damage in the Saltovka neighborhood of Kharkov. People still live in these ruined buildings.

Осташко! Важное

Харьковский район Салтовка Укрывая бронетехнику, склады БК и личный состав в жилых массивах города Харьков, ВСУ тем самым поставили мирное население под удар. Осташко! Важное — подпишись

t.me

Moscow calling

Харьков, Салтовка. Некогда - самый большой "спальный район" Союза, постоенный для работяг ХТЗ, ныне превращен в руины, среди которых, тем не менее, продолжают жить люди.

t.me

LDNR Front.

2 Ukrainian 2S1s using some sort of industrial structure as cover get hit near Seversk.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

Sparta btln using quadcopters to drop munitions, near Vodyanoe.

Colonelcassad

Операторы дронов "Спарты" кошмарят пехоту противника в районе Водяного. https://t.me/zhogaartem

t.me

VK.com | VK

vk.com

Combat on the road between Vodyanoe and Izmaylovka.

Ясиноватая, Донбасс на линии огня

#ВодяноеОсвобождение 11-й полк выбивает ВСУ с их позиций в секторе трассы М-30, между Водяным и Измайловкой. опубл 21.11.2022 https://t.me/wargonzo/9372

t.me

DNR artillery hitting a Ukrainian position in an urban area. Exact location unclear.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

Russian/rebel forces advancing near Nevel'skoe.

Ясиноватая, Донбасс на линии огня

Продвижение гвардейцев сотки к н.п Невельское. опубл 22.11.2022 https://t.me/nm_dnr/9444 Карта примерная ЛБС

t.me

A MaxxPro hits a landmine near Pavlovka. It might be one of the damaged/destroyed ones we've seen earlier.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

Russian Giatsint-B fires between Soledar and Artemovsk/Bakhmut.

WarDonbass

Работа 152-мм гаубиц Гиацинт-Б по трассам снабжения националистов ВСУ в районе Артемовска и Соледара. Видео: @DenZkul

t.me

Fuel storage in Makeevka (Donetsk) got hit.

Colonelcassad

Пожар после ночного прилета по одному из резервуаров в Макеевке.

t.me

Moscow calling

Последствия обстрела ВСУ нефтебазы в Макеевке (ДНР). Как видите, разведка у ВСУ на высоте...или спутниковые снимки, или сливает кто-то из местных.

t.me

Shelling of Donetsk continues.

Война Глазами Журналиста

18+ В Кировском районе Донецка в результате обстрела из 155 мм НАТОвских орудий погиб пожилой мужчина 1932 года рождения

t.me

The road from Artemovsk/Bakhmut to Opytnoe, currently contested by Wagner fighters. Note the severe battle damage. Artemovsk/Bakhmut is steadily being reduced into rubble.

Colonelcassad

Дорога из Артемовска в Опытное, которое сейчас штурмует ЧВК "Вагнер".

t.me

Russian sources are claiming Russian troops have entered the center of Mar'inka. After recent arrivals of fresh troops Russia has resumed a slow advance in the town. Additionally we've seen Su-25s dropping larger rockets in the area.

Colonelcassad

Битва за Марьинку обстановка по состоянию на 15.00 21 ноября 2022 года ▪️Мотострелковые подразделения ВС РФ вошли в центр города и установили контроль над ключевыми объектами вдоль проспекта Дружбы. Бои идут в районе удерживаемой ВС РФ школы №2. ▪️Район администрации, Дома культуры и Храма...

t.me

https://rybar.ru/piwigo/i.php?/upload/2022/11/21/20221121112224-f1aad8a5-xx.jpg

Russian Marine recon near Ugledar.

Воин DV

Кадры работы морпехов-разведчиков группировки V на Угледарском направлении #эксклюзив от @voin_dv

t.me

Russia.

Russian air defense firing near Sevastopol'.

Moscow calling

В Крыму - работа ПВО, местные сообщают о не менее 15 взрывах (от прилётов или зенитных ракет, пока сказать сложно). Сообщают, что Севастополь атакова украинскими БПЛА.

t.me

VK.com | VK

vk.com

The town of Maslova Pristan' got hit by Ukrainian strikes.

Moscow calling

ВСУ обстреляли п.г.т. Маслова Пристань Белгородской области из РСЗО. Судя по количеству кронштейнов под стабилизаторы, обстрел вёлся западными реактивным снарядами (РС) - у РС "Града" иная форма креплений раскладных стабилизаторов, у РС "Урагана" и "Смерча" большее количество стабилизаторов. К...

t.me

A HARM missile fell in, and another was downed, in Belgorod region, Maslova Pristan'. This suggests they were targeting some sort of Russian air defenses in the area. Though this doesn't explain the Grad missiles above.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

Moscow calling

"Реактивный снаряд", прилетевший в п.г.т. Маслова Пристань Белгородской области, окаpзался противорадиолокационной (ПРР) ракетой AGM-88 HARM, узнаваемой по креплениям стабилизаторов. Стояла ли в данном п.г.т. РЛС или ЗРК ВС РФ, либо ракета упала из-за технической неисправности - вопрос остается...

t.me

A less dark video of mobilized personnel in Mariy El dancing. Note, they're not singing in Russian.

Moscow calling

А у мобилизованных из республики Марий Эл своя, особая атмосфера. Как видите, всепропальством тут и не пахнет. Так держать!

t.me

And mobilized personnel in tents, in -20 C. The housing question remains both pressing and confusing.

Moscow calling

Мобилизованные якуты отдыхают после боевой подготовки. Мороз в минус 20 для них - не мороз, поэтому, чтобы создать для бойцов комфортные условия, палатка у них "с вентиляцией". Довершает идиллию патриотическая якутская песня.

t.me

Kadyrov inspects 10 Z-STS and 2 Borz armored cars/trucks. The Z-STS in particular appears to be a "mobilization" armored truck in the shortage of regular APCs/IFVs. Not the worst option in principle, we've got BMP-1s heading to the front in quantities.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

A look at the Kolpak helmet that Russian forces are receiving in some areas. It appears to be an upgraded and repackaged SSh-68 steel helmet. It's drastically inadequate compared to the normal 6B47 helmet Russia uses.

Moscow calling

Снова распаковка шлема пулезащитного "Колпак 20", который выдают российским бойцам вместо хорошего, годного композитного 6Б47 из микрофиламентных арамидных нитей. Как известно, наши деды взяли Берлин без этих ваших композитов, поэтому внутри "Колпака 20" - старый добрый СШ-68, с лёгкими следами...

t.me

Misc.

An MBT and two other military vehicles getting hit, allegedly Ukrainian. Reportedly Russia's 36th Army at work. Location and context unclear.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

Allegedly a Ukrainian MBT hits a land mine. Location, context, and outcome unclear.

Colonelcassad

Танк укропов видимо думал что он бессмертный когда наезжает на наши мины. Весь экипаж отлетает к бандере. Источник: Архангел Спецназа

t.me

A Ukrainian vehicle getting hit by an ATGM. Location and context unclear.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

Russian anti-UAV team apparently gets a Ukrainian Mavic 3 quadcopter. Not the most difficult of targets.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

Russian mobilized soldiers operating a mortar, somewhere in the Donbass.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

Russian Tornado-S operations, location and context unclear.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

A destroyed YPR-765, location and context unclear. This is Russia's closest equivalent to the HIMARS and it's been available since day 1 of the war. C4ISR is a bigger factor then the access to the strike assets for Russia by far.

Уголок Ситха

Уничтоженные украинские БТР YPR-765 (голландская модификация американского M113).

t.me

VK.com | VK

vk.com

A destroyed BMP-1, allegedly Ukrainian, location and context unclear.

.

You can view and join @Z_BOEV_LIST_Z right away.

t.me

A captured M113 in Russian hands. Location and context unclear. Allegedly a fresh acquisition.

Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны

‼️ В бою у Сватово "️тважные" захватили американский БТР После очередного провального наступления на Сватово бойцам группировки "О" достался американский бронетранспортер М113. t.me/RVvoenkor

t.me

Dingos have arrived in Ukraine. But the photo is also interesting because the "BMPs" are acutally PRP-3/4 artillery recon vehicles re-fitted with BMD-2 turrets. My best guess is that they got the turrets from destroyed Russian BMDs.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

Внебрачные дети десанта и артиллерии

На смотре свежесформированной 77-й аэромобильной бригады ВСУ помимо солянки из модных и современных бронеавтомобилей производства стран НАТО засветились уж совсем неожиданные кентавры - а именно подвижные разведывательные пункты артиллерии ПРП-3 (справа) и ПРП-4 (слева) с башнями от БМД-2.

shushpanzer-ru.livejournal.com

VK.com | VK

vk.com

A story of a Ukrainian service member who apparently was captured by accidentally wandering into Russian positions.

«Я спрашиваю: как я понял, вы не из Украины»: украинский военнослужащий рассказал об обстоятельствах попадания в плен

Иллюстративное фото В сети появились свидетельства украинского военнослужащего об обстоятельствах, при которых он оказался в плену. Военнослужащий ВСУ говорит о том, что его и ещё нескольких сослуживцев доставили на одну из позиций и заявили о «необходимости нести дежурство» в одном из окопов. По

topwar.ru

A look at a civilian quadcopter converted into a loitering munition by Ukrainian forces.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

NATO/EU.

French MI AC HPD F2 anti-tank mines have shown up in Ukraine.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

A WDSz command vehicle for a Krab battery in Ukraine. It's logical that these were supplied, but I think this is the first time we've seen it.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

Reportedly Lithuania has declined to supply NASAMS and PzH-2000s to Ukraine from their own stocks.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

The UK is shipping Brimstone 2s to Ukraine.

VK.com | VK

vk.com

 

[ngatimozart]

A bunch more just hit Dnepropetrovsk. It doesn't look like it's the weather. It might be a combination of adjusting to new Ukrainian air defenses, and accumulating enough for another major wave of strikes.

Definitely. The could've received another consignment from the Iranians, plus they could be starting to licence build their own. They'd be silly not too and it could be something that's contracted out to small / medium businesses to do.

 

[seaspear]

Its a possibility that by Ukraine attacking targets inside Russia that are undefended, may result in resources being diverted from Ukraine

 

[Feanor]

There are reports that a composite btln of Wagner fighters has broken through the Ukrainian front line south of Artemovsk/Bakhmut, and has taken a series of villages. Note this is dead north of Mayorsk that apparently recently fell to DNR forces, and dead south of Ivangrad, the last village/hamlet/suburb that Wagner forces took south of Artemovsk/Bakhmut. Reportedly Ukrainian reserves are being rushed from Chasoviy Yar to counter this.

I think it's unlikely that Wagner will be able to exploit this breakthrough, if it is in fact real. Presumably, if this is an attempt to threaten Artemovsk/Bakhmut with encirclement, a Russian regular mechanized/armored formation would have to be used to exploit. It remains to be seen if this is the intent. Up to this point Wagner has essentially been waging their own war around Artemovsk/Bakhmut and it's plausible that this advance is an opportunistic exploit of a weak spot to gain some ground rather then part of some greater plan.

Overall this is part of a pattern of Russian forces gaining ground across various sections of the Donbas, though all the advances are minor. The ground should be freezing soon, opening up opportunities for maneuver. Ukraine is reportedly moving units from Kherson to the Donbas, so we should be seeing a pretty major winter campaign.

It appears Wagner's creeping advance continues, as they have entered the village of Yakovlevka, north of Soledar. This confirms for us that their earlier gains were not part of a larger strategy. They're shifting efforts to whatever section of the front line they can make gains at rather then working towards an overall goal. It also means if they break through it's unlikely someone will be ready to exploit the breakthrough.

Colonelcassad

Бойцы ЧВК "Вагнер" передают привет из Яковлевки. Сегодня поселок перешел под контроль наших войск https://t.me/boris_rozhin/72199. Обстановка для ВСУ к северу от Соледара ухудшилась. Фото: https://t.me/yaremshooter

t.me

Colonelcassad

Отличные новости. Штурмовики ЧВК "Вагнер" после ожесточенных боев выбили противника из села Яковлевка к северу от Соледера. На данный момент в районе Яковлевки продолжаются бои. Закрепившись в Яковлевке, наши войска смогут усилить нажим на Соледарскую группировку ВСУ.

t.me

 

[ngatimozart]

Its a possibility that by Ukraine attacking targets inside Russia that are undefended, may result in resources being diverted from Ukraine

No because they aren't large enough. It's not like WW2 where the RAF Bomber Command and USAAC/F 8th Air Force bombing campaign against Nazi Germany forced the Nazi Luftwaffe to recall fights and Flak units back from the likes of the Eastern Front to protect the Reich. On the Eastern Front alone this allowed the Soviet Air Force to gain the upper hand quicker.

The Ukrainian strikes aren't tactical, but strategic. Whilst they didn't destroy any aircraft, they have cast a major strategic political blow against the Russians and Putin because they have shown that the Russians cannot protect their most highly important bomber base at Engels. That base is an important component of their nuclear triad. It shows that the Ukrainians can strike freely within Russia. So if the Russian military cannot protect Engels from a UAV attack that did little material damage what can they protect? To the average Ivan in the street it looks like the Russian military can't protect anything and that will reflect badly on Putin, whether he likes it or not. It also raises another nightmare for your average Ivan; if the Ukrainians can strike inside Russia freely with these UAVs, then what will happen when NATO decides to use its missiles and aerial might against them? After all didn't Vladimir Vladimirovich say that Russia was also fighting NATO. Your average Ivan can be forgiven if he decides that he's feeling a tad depressed about the Special Military Operation.

 

[tl1000r]

Very interesting reasoning about average Ivan. But it looks like you never been in Russia and never even know any average Ivan, but can think like him. Lets imagine. You are average Ivan, living 2000-7000km far away from Ukraine border, you know that your country can launch some of nukes at any moment in case of real dandger. Do you realy care about some petard strikes like those happended recently? Bomber base at Engels is one of the hundreds (i'm average Ivan and not familiar with such thematics) so its not a big deal right now for any Ivan or Maria. Average Ivan and Maria realy cares about their salary, stable work, price rise, security on the streets, implementation of social programs, thats all. All what you talking about is just professional deformation (i gues you are military man). Our military can be worried about, but Putin is their employer. Would you do somthing bad for you employer? Dont forget that most of militray are patriots. If Russia will get in touch with NATO and it will come to strikes in Moscow then nuclear strike can happen again. Thats only my average Ivan thoughts.

 

[Feanor]

No because they aren't large enough. It's not like WW2 where the RAF Bomber Command and USAAC/F 8th Air Force bombing campaign against Nazi Germany forced the Nazi Luftwaffe to recall fights and Flak units back from the likes of the Eastern Front to protect the Reich. On the Eastern Front alone this allowed the Soviet Air Force to gain the upper hand quicker.

The Ukrainian strikes aren't tactical, but strategic. Whilst they didn't destroy any aircraft, they have cast a major strategic political blow against the Russians and Putin because they have shown that the Russians cannot protect their most highly important bomber base at Engels. That base is an important component of their nuclear triad. It shows that the Ukrainians can strike freely within Russia. So if the Russian military cannot protect Engels from a UAV attack that did little material damage what can they protect? To the average Ivan in the street it looks like the Russian military can't protect anything and that will reflect badly on Putin, whether he likes it or not. It also raises another nightmare for your average Ivan; if the Ukrainians can strike inside Russia freely with these UAVs, then what will happen when NATO decides to use its missiles and aerial might against them? After all didn't Vladimir Vladimirovich say that Russia was also fighting NATO. Your average Ivan can be forgiven if he decides that he's feeling a tad depressed about the Special Military Operation.

I think the answer is actually yes. Russia has relatively limited supplies of Pantsyrs and Tors that can provide credible SHORAD. If some have to be dedicated to domestic air defense, less are available for front line air defense. The supply might be relatively large, but it's not infinite, not even for the purposes of this war. And there's a question whether Russia can continue their production under sanctions.

 

[seaspear]

Its not beyond the realms of possibility that Ukraine will attempt further drone attacks on airfields certainly one of Ukraine's manufacturers of such is believed to building such with a range of 600 miles, should this happen again with aircraft damaged and nothing had been done to prevent this something will also hit the fan
Ukraine used home-modified drones to strike Russian bases (msn.com)

 

[Vivendi]

Analysis by Mick Ryan of the latest speech by Putin, and other recent developments:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600615113886957568

Mick believes Putin is ruling out Nuclear first use to "enlarge the corner he has painted himself into" and reducing any potential NATO direct intervention in the war. I agree on the former -- on the latter: whether he is ruling out nuclear first use or not I think will not have an impact on NATOs intervention. NATO will not get involved until actual, physical use of nukes. Until then, it's all just words.

Mick did not comment on it, but Putin also highlighted that the threat of a nuclear war was rising and that Russia will use nukes as a response to a nuclear strike. Putin has done a number of false flags in the past. Could he become so desperate that he would consider a nuclear false flag? And would a "dirty bomb" count as a nuclear attack? They have been spreading false rumors about Ukrainian dirty bombs in the past.

Apart from that, Putin makes it clear that he now understands that the "special operation" (known as "war" to the rest of us) will be a lengthy affair, and he is clearly aiming for Western countries becoming tired of inflation and high energy prices and stop military support. He is clearly wrong on that last point. Some "weak" nations like Italy and perhaps Germany may buckle during 2023, but Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Romania, the Baltics, the Nordics, the UK, and the US are in this for the long haul. In the end it comes down to industrial capacity and Russia simply cannot outproduce and outspend all those countries. The sooner Russia realize this and end the invasion, the better.

 

[tl1000r]

Putin has done a number of false flags in the past. Could he become so desperate that he would consider a nuclear false flag? And would a "dirty bomb" count as a nuclear attack? They have been spreading false rumors about Ukrainian dirty bombs in the past.

Please remind which Putin's actions the West presented as false flags, it should be extreme clear when write such serious allegations. As for "false rumors" ubout dirty bombs, i'd be not so sure of in the claims, we all not there, and realy hard to check this information. If you can proove your words, please do that. (Please do not give the link to the IAEA report, its very flimsy).

Some "weak" nations like Italy and perhaps Germany may buckle during 2023, but Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Romania, the Baltics, the Nordics, the UK, and the US are in this for the long haul. In the end it comes down to industrial capacity and Russia simply cannot outproduce and outspend all those countries

Ok, you know everything about those nations(their government), let it remain on the conscience of those who think so. But did you asked the Ukraine? Do they ready fight to the last soldier? All this comedy will ends down in one day after puppet Ukrainian government get's signal.

 

[Ananda]

All this comedy will ends down in one day after puppet Ukrainian government get's signal.

Friendly advice, becarefull calling them puppet government. Personally I'm not symphetise with them, as my post shown. However calling them puppet government on International Forum like this one need to back it up by more solid prove.

I know you are Russian, but please don't bring too much your own emotional disdain on this forum. Stick to the factual. We are in here can have different opinion and bias on each sides on this war. However please stick to the facts and much less on emotional displeasure. The mods in here will not tolerate much on comments base mostly on emotional "taste".

 

[tl1000r]

Friendly advice, becarefull calling them puppet government. Personally I'm not symphetise with them, as my post shown. However calling them puppet government on International Forum like this one need to back it up by more solid prove.

I know you are Russian, but please don't bring too much your own emotional disdain on this forum. Stick to the factual. We are in here can have different opinion and bias on each sides on this war. However please stick to the facts and much less on emotional displeasure. The mods in here will not tolerate much on comments base mostly on emotional "taste".

Sorry, i dont like such synonym like puppet or so. But it was based on the opinion from other memebers about Belarus government Lukashenko, for example. I'm not alone who use this termin here, in what am I wrong? But ok, i do not use it here in the future. Thanks for advice.

 

[ngatimozart]

I think the answer is actually yes. Russia has relatively limited supplies of Pantsyrs and Tors that can provide credible SHORAD. If some have to be dedicated to domestic air defense, less are available for front line air defense. The supply might be relatively large, but it's not infinite, not even for the purposes of this war. And there's a question whether Russia can continue their production under sanctions.

Ok, I was think more along the lines of combat aircraft used to launch ALCM into Ukraine. But the strategic dimension still remains.

Very interesting reasoning about average Ivan. But it looks like you never been in Russia and never even know any average Ivan, but can think like him. Lets imagine. You are average Ivan, living 2000-7000km far away from Ukraine border, you know that your country can launch some of nukes at any moment in case of real dandger. Do you realy care about some petard strikes like those happended recently? Bomber base at Engels is one of the hundreds (i'm average Ivan and not familiar with such thematics) so its not a big deal right now for any Ivan or Maria. Average Ivan and Maria realy cares about their salary, stable work, price rise, security on the streets, implementation of social programs, thats all. All what you talking about is just professional deformation (i gues you are military man). Our military can be worried about, but Putin is their employer. Would you do somthing bad for you employer? Dont forget that most of militray are patriots. If Russia will get in touch with NATO and it will come to strikes in Moscow then nuclear strike can happen again. Thats only my average Ivan thoughts.

Yes I have never been to Russia but your average civilian the world over generally wants the same thing; shelter, warmth, food, peace and security. When a govt can't protect one of its own nuclear bases in war time from air attack, that doesn't provide much comfort for your average civilian does it?

I and many of my veteran compatriots are disgusted by the way that your military has been treating its troops. Officers deserting their posts and troops under fire, the way the Mobiks have been treated; it's something that encourages very poor discipline, desertion, killing of officers by their troops, mutiny etc. I have seen reports of incidences of Russian officers being murdered by their own troops using grenades, vehicles etc., in Ukraine. The Americans had a similar problem during the Vietnam War where officers were being killed whilst they were using thee latrine (field toilet). Some cranky soldier would wait until the officer who had upset him was using the latrine, and then toss in a fragmentation grenade. Bang and no more officer along with a pile of brown smelly stuff all over the place. The term used for that is "fragging". So I wonder just how many Russian officers are being fragged in Ukraine?

Who says that most of the military are patriots? Your Mobiks aren't happy at all and I don't blame them. It's a wonder the desertion rate isn't higher. I have served in the military and patriotism wasn't on our list. We had a job to do an just went and did it. There's a lot of rubbish written and said about patriotism but at the end of the day when the bullets are flying and the blood is flowing, people are shit scared, aren't fighting for ideals or flags, but for themselves and their comrades fighting and dying alongside them. Yes I know the Americans absolutely love patriotism, but we have to allow them their religion.

WRT to employers, some employers that I worked for, I would've been quite happy if they walked under a bus. Same when I was in uniform; there were good commanders and there were bad commanders; some of whom shouldn't be put in charge of a child's toy unicorn. Unlike the Russian military we are taught to, and expected to, think for ourselves and to use our initiative, whether we be privates, NCOs, or officers. In our military we don't give allegiance to a political head at all, but to a constitutional monarch, and generally we steer well away from politics. I have served governments that I absolutely despised but I still did my job, and I was allowed to tell them that I didn't like them either, as long as I did it in a private capacity.

 

[tl1000r]

does it

Sure! But it's all common words, real life is different here. Russia is very big and still not in war time. Or the West thinks differently? When i was yung, it was Chechen war, and most of us didnt even know about it. Now the most of us does not know many about Ukraine war, we just live usual life.

Who says that most of the military are patriots

Our military is. Just belive, it is not the West, its Russia. Salary of the military not so high for risk by self. Military is family tradition in many cases, other part of military likes to defence their Country. I understand your piont of view and experience, and respect it. Just one note, it should not mix Mobiks (not sure what does it mean), recruits, and regular army. I know nothing about "fragging" and not ready to discuss about it, its HUGE, its realy happens there on the regualr basis?

 

[swerve]

Fragging happened in Vietnam. To the best of my knowledge, it stopped when that war ended, almost 50 years ago. It certainly doesn't happen on a regular basis nowadays.

Nobody's ever said that such a thing was a regular occurrence during WW2, but I was once told by an old soldier (invalided out of the British armed forces with half a foot missing - a brave Italian who took on a British infantry platoon alone, with a pistol & one grenade) that he'd seen an attempt to kill an officer, & when he was in hospital with his injury got a letter which told him the officer had died - & which he said told him indirectly (letters were censored) that a second attempt to kill the officer had succeeded.

The letter was from the man he'd seen try to kill the officer during a German or Italian air raid on the RAF airfield his unit was defending. The officer was hated by all his men. They saw him as more dangerous to them than the Germans were. The officer had been killed during another air raid. And there was a hint (I can't remember what) that he understood.

Such things have always happened. They're usually very, very rare, like the case I was told of: a soldier gone mad, or a rogue officer who drives his men (or one man - I was told that officer treated that soldier even worse than the rest) to it. But sometimes the culture of a particular army, or a particular war, can make it more common.

 

[seaspear]

Please remind which Putin's actions the West presented as false flags, it should be extreme clear when write such serious allegations. As for "false rumors" ubout dirty bombs, i'd be not so sure of in the claims, we all not there, and realy hard to check this information. If you can proove your words, please do that. (Please do not give the link to the IAEA report, its very flimsy).

Certainly the deception of the "Little green men " in Crimea 2014 would count as a deception
Ukraine Wouldn't Be Russia's First False-Flag War (foreignpolicy.com)
False flag? Russia says Ukraine plans to detonate a ‘dirty bomb’ | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera
this article also provides further information on the use of false flags by Russia
Four Russian false flags that are comically easy to debunk (telegraph.co.uk)
These articles suggest that President Putin follows an established pattern
How Russia conducts false flag operations - U.S. Embassy in Georgia (usembassy.gov)
I am not suggesting that Rusia under President Putin is alone in this

 

[STURM]

Unlike the Russian military we are taught to, and expected to, think for ourselves and to use our initiative, whether we be privates, NCOs, or officers.

In the Soviet army officers and troops were expected to show initiative and think for themselves but it wasn't of course on the same level as in Western militaries; largely because the Soviets were pragmatic in that a lot of their manpower wasn't of the quality and education comparable to Western troops. In 'Armies Of Sand' Pollack goes to some length addressing the common misconception outsiders have about the lack of initiative and centralisation on the part of the Soviets. Pollack cites GCI as an example; contrary to popular misconception the Soviets also trained fighter pilots to operate without GCI in expectation of the fact that jamming would render GCI unavailable; Soviet fighter pilots weren't wholly dependent on GCI. think we also to exercise caution in assuming that the current Russian system in one in which there is no room for initiative or decentralisation.

I would like to challenge this popular notion many have on a Russian army which is totally devoid of trained troops willing to fight and able to exercise any initiative; if that were the case the Ukrainians would be in the streets of Moscow by now.

 

[Ananda]

Germany struggles to get China parts to replenish ammo stockpile

Supply of military aid to Ukraine is depleting Germany's inventory

asia.nikkei.com

This is result on Global Supply Chain that's being build for the last three decades. Question remain how this situation in Ukraine will dismantle that supply chain or just reorder that. In the end commercial companies work on cost efficiencies.