The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[Leftyhunter]

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/ys4j4h In a rare moment of truth a Russian propagandist admits that anything he says about Russias retreat and or depending on ones point of view " good will geasture from the West bank of the Khearson Oblast could end up with a prison sentence.
Leftyhunter

 

[IIO2]

Vladimir Solovyov, channeling his best, Joseph Goebbels impersonation, is ranting and raving, again, about Zelensky, Demons, the West, fish faces (I'm not kidding) religious war and good vs evil...

Don't worry Russia, the West has one of these insane folks folks too. We call him Alex Jones, and he's a lunatic.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1591239227508940800

Man, Russian propaganda is some of the most hilarious, over the top, nonsense that you'll ever hear. Someone with better knowledge of Russian society, please tell me that the average person is not dumb enough, nor lacking enough basic education to believe this nonsense!?

Vladimir, seek professional medical help. You are not well, sir!

 

[IIO2]

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/ys4j4h In a rare moment of truth a Russian propagandist admits that anything he says about Russias retreat and or depending on ones point of view " good will geasture from the West bank of the Khearson Oblast could end up with a prison sentence.
Leftyhunter

Welcome to Russia. At any moment, you can randomly fall down 9 flights of stairs, and, conveniently,fall out of the window at the landing, that breaks your fall.

Alternatively, you can get into a "smoking" accident at any point in time. The usual symptoms involve a gunshot wound to the back of your head, left by the cancer your smoking caused. Terrible tragedy!

 

[Leftyhunter]

Not sure this would be meaningful. The Ukrainian stockpile of WarPac standard artillery is fairly limited, and is steadily shrinking from combat losses and wear and tear. It makes more sense to simply phase it out as it is lost and replace with western systems.



No. Armored Repair Plans are different from production factories. You're thinking of the 103rd Armored Repair Plant in Chita. Russia has several of those.



3 tanks a month is a ridiculous figure that is easily overturned by looking at Russian export sales over the past decades. 3 tanks a week is more to the tune of real production, with a tank a day being likely the true limit. Again short of a bottleneck in some components, UVZ is capable of putting out ~350-400 tanks a year.



This isn't aid... it's a commercial sale. If the US or someone else is willing to foot the bill, I wouldn't be surprised if the RoK would supply weapons to Ukraine. But this isn't what you were talking about. The US can run around all over the world to purchase arms for Ukraine, and in fact probably is.

Ukraine and Czech Republic Announce Defense Industry Cooperation
The Ukranians are supposedly not producing their own 122mmm and 152mm ammo for their Soviet era artilery plus per Oryx the Ukranians have captured over 200 Russian artilery guns both towed and SPG. Sometime in the future the Czechs apparently will be able to produce 155mm ammo for the Ukranians. The Czechs have supplied quite a bit of military aid on a per capita basis to Ukraine.
Leftyhunter

 

[Feanor]

Update. Oct 27th-31st

Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa.

Allegedly a Ukrainian pickup truck getting hit by an ATGM on the Krivoy Rog axis.

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Ukrainian column in Kherson region, on the Krivoy Rog axis, getting hit. We have a destroyed armor car, two cars, and a van.

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A Kub loitering munition on the Krivoy Rog axis hits what look like Ukrainian vehicles.

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Ратник 2-го разряда "РЕZЕРВ"

Ещё на одно место скопления украинских боевиков на Николаево-Криворожском направлении удачно спикировал "КУБ". - 1 авто, - 15 человек личного состава

t.me

Russian forces apparently abandoning positions in a hurry in Kherson region, so much so that the vehicle gets into an accident. Note, while it's tempting to associate this with the current withdrawal, the post is over a week old, meaning the video is likely older still.

Moscow calling

Херсонсое направление, суета бойцов ВС РФ, и неожиданный финал.

t.me

Russia hit the Novodnestrovskaya power plant, Odessa region.

Colonelcassad

Новоднестровская ГЭС горит. Одесская область.

t.me

Russia has reportedly hit two tugboats being used for the grain deal in Ochakov. Note this comes after Russia temporarily exited the grain deal.

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Russia is delivering concrete firing positions to the Kinburn peninsula. This might suggest Russia intends to defend this position. On the other hand, Russia delivered a few to Kherson too.

Влад Андрица

На Кинбурнскую косу привезли бетонные доты для укрепления оборонительных линий.

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Zaporozhye-Dnepropetrovsk.

Allegedly a small Ukrainian boat getting hit on the Dnepr, near Energodar.

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Colonelcassad

Кадры поражения небольшого десанта ВСУ, который пытался под прикрытием обстрелов города высадиться у Энергодара. Для тех, кто жаловался, что не выкладывают видео с работой по десантным средствам противника на Днепре. Источник: https://t.me/RVvoenkor

t.me

Russia hit a substation near the Dneproges dam. Power outages in the area are being reported.

Colonelcassad

Горит подстанция на Днепрогэсе. На 10 часов было около 20-25 попаданий по различным объектам энергоструктуры. В ряде областей начались отключения света. Идут перебои с интернетом и сотовой связью.

t.me

МИГ России

Удар по подстанции в районе Днепрогэс (Запорожье) в хорошем разрешении. Найдено в местных группах вотсапп.

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Russian strikes in Zaporozhye.

Colonelcassad

Новые прилеты в Запорожье. Как минимум 4 взрыва.

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Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны

‼️Ракеты и "Шахиды" бьют по целям на Украине: ▪️взрывы в Запорожье ▪️жужжание "воздушных мопедов" и взрывы в Днепропетровске ▪️взрывы в Полтаве t.me/RVvoenkor

t.me

Russian 6-gun Giatsint-B battery on the streets of Melitopol'.

Moscow calling

152-мм гаубицы "Гиацинт" в южной части Мелитополя. К слову, "Урал" может буксировать 9,7 т "Гиацинты" только по хорошей дороге, в осеннем грунте они, скорее всего, завязнут...

t.me

Russian Grad unit in Zaporozhye.

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The North.

Another substation in Kiev got hit, alongside other targets.

Colonelcassad

Кадры утренних прилетов по одной из подстанций в Киеве. Собственно, уже сейчас можно заметить системные последствия этих ударов - еще 2-3 таких волны и решение вопросов балансировки энергосистемы станет весьма затруднительным. С учетом реальной "эффективности" украинской ПВО не способной...

t.me

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Shahed-131 fragments, Kiev.

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A substation of the Kanevskaya dam in Cherkasy region got hit.

Colonelcassad

Горит подстанция Каневской ГЭС. На фоне заявлений про "успешную работу ПВО" можно отметить, что ВС РФ добились массового поражения критических объектов инфраструктуры, причем количество успешных прилетов и структурные последствия этих прилетов явно превзойдут удары 10 октября.

t.me

Water lines in Kiev, likely due to infrastructure damage from Russian strikes.

Colonelcassad

Водная блокада Крыма 2015 - очереди за водой. А нет, это Киев 2022...

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Oskol Front.

Russian T-80BV getting destroyed, Yagodnoe, Kharkov region. It appears to be abandoned after taking a hit, then the ammo cooks off.

Moscow calling

Гибель российского танка Т-80БВ в селе Ягодное Харьковской области (49.659664, 37.926476). Надеюсь, экипаж успел выбраться... Власть огня - в багровых отблесках знаменья, Власть огня - живых и мертвых сочтет, Власть огня - здесь брода нет, Но есть последний - твой удар Все остальное - не в счет...

t.me

Allegedly a Ukrainian munition truck getting hit near Svatovo.

РаZвед_ДоZор

Праздничный салют в честь дня основания 92 омбр ВСУ Вчера на Сватовском направлении бойцами 1ТА Западной группировки обнаружена и уничтожена машина подвоза артиллерийских боеприпасов 92 бригады ВСУ. @razved_dozor

t.me

 

[Feanor]

LDNR Front.

Oct 31st Russian forces assaulted Pavlovka, clearing ~60% of the village, and pushing back Ukrainian forces, but promptly got bogged down and took casualties.

Colonelcassad

Обстановка на Угледарском направлении по состоянию на 12.00 31 октября 2022 года Части и соединения 29 общевойсковой армии, 68 армейского корпуса ВС РФ и Народной милиции ДНР продолжают наступление на Угледарском направлении. ▪️На данный момент зачищено примерно 60% села Павловка. Как...

t.me

Russian recon unit apparently took Ukrainian trenches near Mar'inka. Warning footage of corpses.

Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны

‼️ Разведка захватила укрепления ВСУ под Донецком Российские бойцы разведали позиции врага в районе Марьинки, навели и корректировали огонь танков, а затем ворвались в окопы. Разведчики благодарят наших читателей за отправленную в ходе наших сборов помощь. t.me/RVvoenkor

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Ukrainian forces near Spornoe getting hit.

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TOS-1 fires, DNR area.

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Wagner mortar fires near Artemovsk/Bakhmut.

Военкор Кулько

⚡️Миномётчики ЧВК «Вагнера» точно накрывают боевика, который пытался перебежать между траншеями. «Оркестр» @orchestra_w продолжает взламывать оборону украинских националистов под Бахмутом, продвигаясь к городу с востока и юга. Противник хорошо укрепился. Лабиринты окопов, блиндажей и бункеров...

t.me

Allegedly a Ukrainian BMP doing a resupply near Artemovsk/Bakhmut got hit by a Wagner team with an RPG that moved into the nearby treeline.

Военкор Кулько

⚡️ Экипаж украинской БМП пытался подвезти боекомплект на позиции под Бахмутом, не зная, что соседнюю лесопосадку уже занял отряд ЧВК «Вагнера» с противотанковым гранатометом.

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DNR forces hitting Ukrainian positions with UAV-directed AGS-17 fires.

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UAV-directed artillery strikes by DNR 11th Rgt against Ukrainian forces entrenchments.

Moscow calling

Работа артиллеристов 11-го гвардейского полка НМ ДНР - на пределе точностных возможностей, судя по всему, 122-мм орудий Д-30 или 2С1 "Гвоздика". Присутствует корректировка с БПЛА, есть подбитие укрытой техники ВСУ. Но как же мучительно не хватает управляемого снаряда...

t.me

DNR Kaskad btln firing on Ukrainian positions near Ugledar.

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Ukrainian ZU-23-2 guntruck getting hit near Opytnoe.

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Russia Su-24, low altitude over the front line near Avdeevka.

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Russian journalists visit overrun Ukrainian positions on the southern outskirts of Artemovsk/Bakhmut, and meet with Wagner fighters.

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Russian reinforcements arriving in Lugansk. The person talking joined the armed forces 3 weeks ago, and is a former VDV veteran that volunteered to join.

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Shellings of Donetsk continue.

Осташко! Важное

ВСУ хаотично обстреливают центр Донецка Около 6-7 прилетов по многоэтажным зданиям в самом центре столицы ДНР. Удары наносятся по мирному населению, чтобы вызвать панику и страх. Осташко! Важное - подпишись

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Battle damage in Artemovsk.

Colonelcassad

Артемовск и его окраины. Последствия боев и обстрелов.

t.me

Fuel storage burns in Shahtersk, unclear if part of the same strikes as earlier or follow-on strikes.

Moscow calling

Шахтёрск, специальная военная операция ВСУ по дебензинизации и десоляризации ВС РФ.

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Moscow calling

После того, как СМИ РФ показали целые цистерны после HIMARSировки состава в Шахтерске - по ним опять прилетело. Когда уже украинская государственная награда найдет героев - военкоров РФ?

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Moscow calling

То, что осталось от состава с топливом в Шахтерске после украинской HIMARSировки.

t.me

The Metallurg hotel in Alchevsk got hit, as part of a pattern of striking hotels. It's quite plausible that they're being used as troop staging areas.

Colonelcassad

Между тем ВСУ продолжают воевать с гостиницами. Последствия прилета ракеты РСЗО HIMARS по гостинице "Металлург" в Алчевске.

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Wagner fighters near Bakhmut. Note the BMP-2.

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Russia.

Russian air defenses firing over Belgorod.

Colonelcassad

ПВО работает в Белгороде.

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Russian cruise missiles firing from the Black Sea. This has become rarer in recent weeks.

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Russian mobilized personnel training in Northern Osetia and Kaliningrad.

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Russian mobilized personnel showing off "dead" AK-74s they received.

Moscow calling

От создателей "ржавые АК", встречайте новый блокбастер - "убитые АК"! В данном случае, речь идёт о "мобиках" из Адыгеи.

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Reportedly in Chita Russian mobilized personnel were chased out onto the cold during a governor's visit, to avoid them asking uncomfortable questions.

Moscow calling

Мобилизованных в Чите выгнали из части на мороз (днём минус 5⁰) во время визита губернатора Александра Осипова "с проверкой". Активисты сообщают, что это было сделано для того, чтобы солдаты не задавали "неудобных вопросов о снабжении". Также на территорию отказались пропускать машины, которые...

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Misc.

Apparently two Ukrainian BMPs getting hit by a Ka-52. It's interesting that the Ka-52 is still using ATGMs regularly, but we haven't seen Mi-28NM using them at all (unless they're doing the LMUR strikes, but that's still not the same). It's possible the longer range on the Vikhr makes it possible.

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Ukrainian Buk and M-777 getting hit by a loitering munition.

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Moscow calling

Уничтожение СОУ "Бук-М1" и повреждение 155-мм гаубицы М777 ВСУ ланцетоподобным БПЛА (как мы помним, в "Ланцете" два Х-образных крыла, здесь явно одно).

t.me

Russian T-90M, T-72B3, and two other tanks getting hit, presumably by an Excalibur shell.

Moscow calling

Уничтожение российского Т-90М (на видео названный Т-90АМ) украинским высокоточным снарядом.

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Moscow calling

155-мм управляемый снаряд "Эскалибур" против Т-72Б3. К сожалению, эта битва легендарной не будет... В современной войне долгое нахождение на одной позиции для танкистов равносильно смерти.

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Moscow calling

Поражение двух танков ВС РФ УАС M982 "Эскалибур" на Херсонском направлении. По своим ТТХ "Эскалибур" значительно превосходит созданный в 1980-е "Краснополь". К слову, американский аналог "Краснополя" - УАС "Коперхэд", был снят с производства в 1990-е.

t.me

Allegedly destroyed Russian vehicles, location and context unclear.

Moscow calling

Последствия удара ВСУ по ангару с техникой ВС РФ, с ехидными комментариями местных жителей.

t.me

A destroyed Ukrainian S-300PS TEL, somewhere in the Donbas. Possibly a continuation of Russia's SEAD efforts over the past month.

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A Ukrainian T-80BV captured, and Kipri MRAP destroyed. This is probably Kherson region. The person filming is deeply confused about what vehicles these are.

Повёрнутые на войне

Наши парни затрофеили Т-80БВ и уничтожили очередной Кипри.

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Allegedly a Ukrainian tank getting taken out. Location and context unclear.

Colonelcassad

Уничтожение еще одного танка ВСУ. Горел хорошо. Источник: https://t.me/xronikabpla/2492

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Moscow calling

Уничтоженная бронетехника ВСУ в результате неудачной контратаки на одном из направлений. @xronikabpla

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Russian helo ops, low altitude, Mi-28Ns and Mi-8MVT-5s. Location and context unclear.

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Russian 2S12 fires, from the back of a truck. Location and context unclear. This is a prime example of why militaries around the world are moving to SP 120mm mortars. Russia however never bothered procuring the relatively capable Vena.

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Ukrainian security forces detaining civilians. Location and context unclear. With the recently retaken areas, we are likely to see much more of this.

Moscow calling

Группа быстрого реагирования "винтит" типичного подписчика Z-каналов. А если серьёзно, то жёсткое задержание украинскими силовиками подростка в ходе зачистки, да ещё и съемка на видео, как неебаться спецоперацию - это пиздец.

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A captured Ukrainian 2S5, location and context unclear.

Уголок Ситха

Трофейная украинская САУ 2С5 «Гиацинт-С»

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A 50 for 50 POW exchange took place, 41 Russian and 9 LDNR soldiers were returned for 50 Ukrainians.

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General-colonel Lapin has been removed from his command of Center MD. He will reportedly be replaced by general Mordvichev, currently commander of the 8th Army, who oversaw the relatively successful assault of Mariupol'.

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Moscow calling

Напомню, что именно генерал Мордвичёв, как командующий штурмом Мариуполя, несёт персональную ответственность за то, что "кадыровцы" тусили во 2-3 эшелоне, когда в бой шли морпехи РФ и "мобики" ЛДНР. Многие участники боевых действий отмечали "куколдизм" командования ВС РФ, которое боялось потерь...

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Large Ukrainian M-113 column, location and context unclear.

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Russian mobilized soldier, driving a Msta-S in Ukraine. Note this tells us a couple of things. It's highly unlikely they got Msta-S from storage. I.e. he was probably sent as reinforcements to an existing unit on the front line.

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NATO/EU.

The T-55MS from Slovenia on a train, unclear where the footage was taken. Note they have 105mm guns, and will need a separate ammo type. This likely opens the door on supplying Ukraine M-60s or Leo-1s at least partially from a logistical standpoint.

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Ukraine has reportedly received a second batch of 20 Warmates from Poland. They were purchased by donation funds.

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Portugal is reportedly planning to hand over 6 Russian Ka-32 firefighting helos to Ukraine. Due to sanctions, Russia can't service the type. Russia is requesting Portugal refrain from this, since they theoretically need Russian permission to re-export.https://topwar.ru/203858-rossija-nalozhila-zapret-na-peredachu-ukraine-portugalskih-mnogocelevyh-vertoletov-ka-32a11vs.html

Россия наложила запрет на передачу Украине португальских многоцелевых вертолётов Ка-32А11ВС

Украина может не получить обещанные Португалией шесть многоцелевых вертолетов Ка-32А11ВС, Россия наложила запрет на передачу техники Киеву. Об этом сообщили в российском МИДе. Российское внешнеполитическое ведомство обратилось к Португалии с просьбой воздержаться от передачи Украине многоцелевых

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There are unconfirmed reports that Ukrainian Su-24Ms will be adapted for SCALP or Storm Shadow cruise missiles in Poland.

Colonelcassad

Украинские самолеты, крылатые ракеты дальностью 300 км и Польша В ближайшие дни с аэродрома 7 бригады тактической авиации ВВС Украины в Староконстантинове (Хмельницкая область) в Польшу переберётся бомбардировщик Су-24М. Западные специалисты намерены определить возможность интеграции крылатой...

t.me

@swerve Here's the Italian news. Apparently Ukraine is getting 2 M-270s, 6 PzH-2000s, 20-30 M-109s, and some quantity of M-113s. Also on the table is a SAMP/T SAM and some Spaga Aspide SAMs.

Планируемые крупные поставки Италией вооружения Украине

Как сообщила итальянская газета La Reppublica в материале Cannoni e mezzi hi tech, ecco le armi date dallItalia per loffensiva ucraina (Орудия и высокотехнологичная техника - вот какое оружие предоставила Италия для украинского наступления), перед…

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[Leftyhunter]

Vladimir Solovyov, channeling his best, Joseph Goebbels impersonation, is ranting and raving, again, about Zelensky, Demons, the West, fish faces (I'm not kidding) religious war and good vs evil...

Don't worry Russia, the West has one of these insane folks folks too. We call him Alex Jones, and he's a lunatic.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1591239227508940800

Man, Russian propaganda is some of the most hilarious, over the top, nonsense that you'll ever hear. Someone with better knowledge of Russian society, please tell me that the average person is not dumb enough, nor lacking enough basic education to believe this nonsense!?

Vladimir, seek professional medical help. You are not well, sir!

I called up my friend Solovyov this morning and told him to cut back on the caffeine but I guess he forgot. I also told him no more flaking out on going to his Meth Anonymous meetings not sure he got the message.
Leftyhunter

 

[Feanor]

I called up my friend Solovyov this morning and told him to cut back on the caffeine but I guess he forgot. I also told him no more flaking out on going to his Meth Anonymous meetings not sure he got the message.
Leftyhunter

This forum is for serious discussion and has expectations of post quality. While I understand what you're trying to communicate, please adjust your approach.

 

[STURM]

By the time of the 1975 final offensive all foreign forces had withdrawn from South Vietnam and Congress despite President Ford's pleas cut off financial aid to South Vietnam.

Yes but way before that it had already turned into a conventional war. By the end of Tet 1968 U.S. troops weren't facing guerillas in black pyjamas and sandles made out of tyres but NVA troops in divisions and regiments backed by heavy arty.

North Vietnam had the strongest AD system in the world at time as they had massive foreign assistance . .

It's like saying the Ukrainians would never have reached this far without all the external resistance they received. They fact that they had ''massive foreign assistance'' doesn't mean what the North Vietnamese achieved - against a superpower - is less impressive or commendable...

North Vietnam was far from a poor impoverished country in terms of military power during the Vietnam War.

I wasn't referring to military power. North Vietnam to all intents and purposes was an impoverished 3rd World country with an agrarian economy based economy and little in the way of exports; hardly comparable to the likes of the U.S.

It is relevant if the political leadership of a given country elect to have a war of choice but didn't thing things through.

And it remains that not only was the Russian political leadership under a gagaland illusion but the army wasn't prepared or equipped for a high intensity protracted operation of this magnitude. As such whether it was by choice or forced upon it is irrelevant.

 

[seaspear]

Vladimir Solovyov, channeling his best, Joseph Goebbels impersonation, is ranting and raving, again, about Zelensky, Demons, the West, fish faces (I'm not kidding) religious war and good vs evil...

Don't worry Russia, the West has one of these insane folks folks too. We call him Alex Jones, and he's a lunatic.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1591239227508940800

Man, Russian propaganda is some of the most hilarious, over the top, nonsense that you'll ever hear. Someone with better knowledge of Russian society, please tell me that the average person is not dumb enough, nor lacking enough basic education to believe this nonsense!?

Vladimir, seek professional medical help. You are not well, sir!

He could get a show with Fox he would fit right in

 

[ngatimozart]

What happens if ATACMS and Tomahawks are sent but the war still continues? What next?

They hit Russian targets at longer range.

Why would any country want Ukraine to have access to weapons such as ATACMS, Tomahawks, Storm Shadows...?
West interest is to weaken Russia as much as possible, not to help Ukraine becoming a military power.
Bureaus in Europe and USA are working to help their own country, not others. Thats the reason why weapons are given to AFU only when needed and why no strategic-capable weapons was given.

There is zero willing to arm an unstable country such as Ukraine at this specific moment, and there is zero willing to really achieve a victory over Russia.
A long, low-intensity war is the goal of NATO, so that both countries will drain resources in fighting the war.
I suggest to have a look at the very well made and precise websites of the European Union, that explains how Europe have no real intention to send the refugees back to Ukraine as they can alleviate Europe's birthrate and workforce problem.

Forced displacement from Ukraine: the role of the diaspora | Knowledge for policy

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knowledge4policy.ec.europa.eu

The impact of the influx of Ukrainian refugees on the euro area labour force

The European Central Bank (ECB) is the central bank of the European Union countries which have adopted the euro. Our main task is to maintain price stability in the euro area and so preserve the purchasing power of the single currency.

www.ecb.europa.eu

Refugees from Ukraine in the EU

Millions of people have fled the war in Ukraine to seek refuge in the EU. How many Ukrainian refugees are in the EU?

www.consilium.europa.eu

1. Ukraine haven't been supplied with ATATCMS, Tomahawks, or any other GLCM yet.
2. If at some stage they are then the geopolitical, geostrategic, and Ukrainian defence requirements will have been taken into account.
3. They are a deterrent to a certain degree and as such, Ukraine should have them in order to deal with Russian aggression.

Your claims are somewhat echoing Russian propaganda and I note that I am not the first Moderator to note this. You also claim military service in a NATO member nation. You will be contacted by another Moderator about that claim because we take such claims seriously and do check them out.

You mean to tell me that Russia's military is paying the price for deep levels of corruption and incompetence at the leadership level, all the way down?.. That's become painfully obvious for the world to see.

It's the job of the West now, through the hands of the Ukrainians, to tighten the screws and continue to make Russia pay, dearly, for their strategic mistep. That's why sending all this old, mostly stored equipment to Ukraine, makes a lot of sense. You'll never destroy the Russian army for a generation, at a cheaper price. The West has frozen roughly $300 Billion USD in Russian foreign assets. Profiting from said confiscation, in order to recuperate their investment in Ukraine, will give the West a nice little war chest to continue supplying Ukraine through 2023, as Russia's economy continues to retract and increasing pressure mounts on Western corporations who have not left Russia yet. Keep tightening the screws, slowly and skillfully.

I suspect you'll shortly see the United States announce another enormous, Congressional funding package for Ukraine aimed at supplying them through 2023, further complicating the war effort for the Russians, who are quickly chewing through their modern army equipment and sending lesser trained, lesser equipped conscripts into the fray as replacement fodder.

You are a somewhat blood thirsty person. Maybe instead of yapping about it you should go and join the Ukrainian Foreign Legion, putting your money where your mouth is. One thing my fellow veterans and I notice is civilians exhorting exhorting violent action, but quickly refrain from doing it themselves. if it is suggested to them that they should pick up a rifle and follow through with their mouthings. All of a sudden they find all thses reasons why they can't. That's one of the reasons why some veterans despise politicians.

Do you really think that the US Congress is going to fund an enormous package for Ukraine? Enormous is a descriptive word with a wide range of values. The Congress membership isn't yet determined and if the Republicans control the House then such funding may not be guaranteed at all. If the Republicans control the Senate as well, then Biden won't be able to scratch his arse without a Congressional enquiry being called. Whilst there has been bipartisan support for Ukraine so far, that may not continue as domestic economic conditions worsen and other domestic issues come to the fore.

ATACMS and Tomahawks keep increasing the pain on the RU. With those 2, the threat to the RU navy and Crimean land bridge increases and may put it permanently (for the duration of the war) out of commission. This then puts the RU logistical trail to Crimea and Kherson province on a single railroad line, which is within artillery range of the front lines now.

Keep the interdiction on the RU logistics and you have a better chance of clearing Kherson province.

If RU keeps escalating, then I guess further equipment goes in country. F-16 ? Patriots ?

I think F-16s may be further down the track. We'll see what happens in the next 6 - 9 months.

One think people have been talking about is the winter and how the Russians will be able to rest, recuperate, replenish, restrains and build up their logistics again. But that would be to the detriment of the Ukrainians because the Russians would be a different force then. Whilst during this war they haven't performed well at all, there's nothing to say that they won't spend time learning lessons from their mistakes. They did so during WW2 and even though it took them until Stalingrad to learn all that the Wehrmacht had to teach, they came back strong and very forceful. Ukraine can't afford to give them that space and I think that once the ground freezes hard enough, the Ukrainians will be on the offensive again. They already have a bridgehead across the Dnipro well upstream from Kherson City that they could expand and move around behind the Russian fortifications. At present the Ukrainians are halfway between the villages of Kamianske and Vasylivska on the E105 highway that runs down the southern side of the Dnipro.


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Plus the Russian generously issued the highly modern Model 1892 Mosin- Nagent rifle to their newly liberated brothers from the Donbass.
Leftyhunter

@Leftyhunter Provide a source for that claim please. You've made it more than once and if you don't provide a source stating that the Model 1892 Mosin- Nagent rifle has gone into general issue with the separatists the Moderators will consider sanctions against you.

Ngatimozart.

 

[Leftyhunter]

Vladimir Solovyov, channeling his best, Joseph Goebbels impersonation, is ranting and raving, again, about Zelensky, Demons, the West, fish faces (I'm not kidding) religious war and good vs evil...

Don't worry Russia, the West has one of these insane folks folks too. We call him Alex Jones, and he's a lunatic.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1591239227508940800

Man, Russian propaganda is some of the most hilarious, over the top, nonsense that you'll ever hear. Someone with better knowledge of Russian society, please tell me that the average person is not dumb enough, nor lacking enough basic education to believe this nonsense!?

Vladimir, seek professional medical help. You are not well, sir!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1591257352736747520

Hard to believe they once at least pretended to be friends.
Leftyhunter

 

[Leftyhunter]

@Leftyhunter Provide a source for that claim please. You've made it more than once and if you don't provide a source stating that the Model 1892 Mosin- Nagent rifle has gone into general issue with the separatists the Moderators will consider sanctions against you.

Ngatimozart.

Russian and Ukrainian Conscripts from Donbas Fighting in Ukraine with Rifles from the 1800s
It certainly appeared that Mosin Nagent s where general issue. No mention was made in the article of the Nagents being issued as a speciality sniper rifle. I can show other articles on the same theme.
Leftyhunter

 

[Leftyhunter]

@Leftyhunter Provide a source for that claim please. You've made it more than once and if you don't provide a source stating that the Model 1892 Mosin- Nagent rifle has gone into general issue with the separatists the Moderators will consider sanctions against you.

Ngatimozart.

Russia deploying soldiers ‘as old as 60 and giving conscripts 19th century rifles’
This article also has the same basic theme and was wildly published.Again no mention of the Nagent being only issued as a sniper rifle.
Leftyhunter

 

[Leftyhunter]

@Leftyhunter Provide a source for that claim please. You've made it more than once and if you don't provide a source stating that the Model 1892 Mosin- Nagent rifle has gone into general issue with the separatists the Moderators will consider sanctions against you.

Ngatimozart.

Fact Check — Are Russian Conscripts in Ukraine Using Rifles from WWI?
The author of this article doesn't argue that the Mosin- Nagent was just issued to Seperatists as soley a sniper rifle but more general issue.
Leftyhunter

 

[ngatimozart]

ISW Updates. Part 1/2
These are deliberately posted without comment in order for members to reach their own conclusions.

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment
November 11, 6pm ET

Full article: Institute for the Study of War

The pdf can be downloaded here.

Main Points.
Click here to see ISW’s interactive map of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This map is updated daily alongside the static maps present in this report.

Ukrainian forces are completing the liberation of the western (right) bank of Kherson Oblast after the Russians retreated from it. The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed that Russian forces completed the withdrawal to the eastern (left) bank of the Dnipro River at 5am local time on November 11.[1] While contingents of Russian soldiers likely remain on the west bank, they are likely scattered throughout the Oblast and attempting to retreat as Ukrainian forces push towards the Dnipro River, although some may have remained behind to attempt to conduct partisan activities in small groups. It is unclear how many Russian soldiers remain on the west bank at this time. Russian sources noted that the withdrawal lasted three days and claimed that 20,000 Russian personnel and 3,500 units of military equipment moved across the Dnipro River.[2]

Satellite imagery corroborates statements made by both Ukrainian and Russian sources that Russian troops destroyed the Antonivsky Bridge and Railway Bridge (near Kherson City) and the Nova Kakhovka dam bridge (east of Kherson City near Nova Kakhovka) over the Dnipro River and the Darivka Bridge (northeast of Kherson City) over the Inhulets River in a final attempt to block Ukrainian advances towards central Kherson Oblast (see images in-line with text).[3] Geolocated satellite imagery also indicates that Russian troops have prepared first and second lines of defense south of the Dnipro River and will likely continue efforts to consolidate positions on the left bank in the coming days.[4]



Overview of the damage to the Antonivsky Bridge on November 11. Source: Satellite image ©2022 Maxar Technologies



Overview of damage to the Antonivsky Railway Bridge on November 11. Source: Satellite image ©2022 Maxar Technologies



Overview of damage to the Darivka Bridge on November 11. Source: Satellite image ©2022 Maxar Technologies



Closer view of damage to the damaged section of the Nova Kakhovka dam on November 11. Source: Satellite image ©2022 Maxar Technologies

 

[ngatimozart]

ISW Updates. Part 2/2
These are deliberately posted without comment in order for members to reach their own conclusions.

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment
November 11, 6pm ET

Full article: Institute for the Study of War

The pdf can be downloaded here.

Ukrainian troops made major territorial gains throughout Kherson Oblast on November 11 and will continue consolidating control of the western bank in the coming days. Geolocated footage and imagery shows that Ukrainian forces have advanced into Kherson City likely along the T1501 highway from the west and M14 from the north and have taken control of Kherson City and several surrounding settlements along these roads.[5] The Ukrainian Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) notably confirmed that Ukrainian troops advanced into Kherson City, and geolocated social media footage shows civilians greeting Ukrainian troops in the center of Kherson City.[6] Ukrainian troops also notably took control of Kyselivka and Chornobaivka, two critical settlements along the M14 northwest of Kherson City.[7] Geolocated social media additionally shows that Ukrainian troops have advanced south along T1505 highway from positions in Snihurivka (northeast of the Kherson-Mykolaiv Oblast border) and liberated several settlements on this line, including Lymanets and Inhulets.[8] Ukrainian forces entered Beryslav (60km east of Kherson City), and social media footage provides evidence of Ukrainian troops in settlements along the P47 highway that runs westward from the Beryslav area towards Kherson City.[9] Footage posted to Telegram notably shows Ukrainian troops in Tiahynka, a settlement between Kherson City and Beryslav, directly on the western shore of the Dnipro River.[10] Ukrainian forces will continue to drive down major roads towards the Dnipro River and liberate additional settlements in the coming days.

ISW has recoded all western Kherson Oblast as liberated based on our high confidence assessment that the Russians have deprived themselves of the ability to hold terrain on the right bank of the Dnipro. Ukrainian forces will complete the liberation of any areas not yet under their control rapidly.

Russian milbloggers criticized the Russian MoD’s statements about the Russian withdrawal to the left bank but generally took a more muted attitude to Ukrainian gains on November 11. The Russian MoD claimed that Russian forces did not leave a single piece of equipment behind during the withdrawal period, which certain milbloggers directly refuted as blatantly untrue.[11] Many milbloggers, however, presented a relatively matter-of-fact overview of the situation in Kherson Oblast, largely confirmed Ukrainian gains, and emphasized that the retreat itself was a militarily-sound and necessary choice.[12] As ISW previously reported, Russian military leadership, namely Commander of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine, Army General Sergey Surovikin, have been developing informational cover to set conditions for the loss of the right bank.[13] The generally muted milblogger response to such a massive Russian defeat is consistent with ISW’s previous observations of informational mitigations carried out by Surovikin and suggests that milbloggers will continue to focus their discontent on the Russian MoD establishment while backing Surovikin — at least for now.

Key Takeaways

• Ukrainian forces are completing the liberation of the western (right) bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast.
• Ukrainian troops have made major territorial gains throughout Kherson Oblast on November 11 and will continue consolidating control of the western bank in the coming days.
• Russian milbloggers criticized the Russian MoD’s statements about the Russian withdrawal to the left bank but generally took a more muted attitude to Ukrainian gains.
• Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations towards Kreminna and Svatove, Luhansk Oblast, and Ukrainian forces targeted Russian logistics in rear Luhansk Oblast.
• Russian forces continued ground assaults around Bakhmut, Avdiivka, and Vuhledar.
• Ukrainian forces continued to target Russian force concentrations in Zaporizhia Oblast.
• Wagner Group financer Yevgeny Prigozhin continued to form parallel military structures in Belgorod and Kursk oblasts, even though there is no threat of a Ukrainian ground invasion into Russian territory.
• The Russian Ministry of Defense’s (MoD) subpar conduct of partial mobilization continues to generate social tension.
• Ukrainian partisans continued to target Russian occupation authorities.

 

[ngatimozart]

Russian and Ukrainian Conscripts from Donbas Fighting in Ukraine with Rifles from the 1800s
It certainly appeared that Mosin Nagent s where general issue. No mention was made in the article of the Nagents being issued as a speciality sniper rifle. I can show other articles on the same theme.
Leftyhunter

Russia deploying soldiers ‘as old as 60 and giving conscripts 19th century rifles’
This article also has the same basic theme and was wildly published.Again no mention of the Nagent being only issued as a sniper rifle.
Leftyhunter

Thank you well make sure that you provide sources from now on.

 

[ngatimozart]

An article on Ukraine's USVs that have been used against the VMF Black Sea Fleet. It's an interesting read. H I Sutton is quite interested in these boats.

Ukraine's Shadowy Kamikaze Drone Boats Officially Break Cover

Ukraine hopes to raise enough money to build 100 of these unmanned surface vessels to counter Russia's Black Sea Fleet.

www.thedrive.com

An article on the Ukrainian liberation of Kherson City, not to be confused with Kherson Oblast. It has both video and stills of the Antonivskyi bridge with a tad large hole in middle.

Ukraine Liberates Kherson, Antonivskyi Bridge Knocked Down In Russian Retreat (Updated)

Kherson, the first major city to fall into Russian hands, appears to have been retaken by Ukrainian forces.

www.thedrive.com

Jeez getting old in my old age. Forgot this.

What comes next after Kherson City? That is the question. I posted the following in my long post above and I believe that it's important enough to post again.

One thing people have been talking about is the winter and how the Russians will be able to rest, recuperate, replenish, restrains and build up their logistics again. But that would be to the detriment of the Ukrainians because the Russians would be a different force then. Whilst during this war they haven't performed well at all, there's nothing to say that they won't spend time learning lessons from their mistakes. They did so during WW2 and even though it took them until Stalingrad to learn all that the Wehrmacht had to teach, they came back strong and very forceful. Ukraine can't afford to give them that space and I think that once the ground freezes hard enough, the Ukrainians will be on the offensive again. They already have a bridgehead across the Dnipro well upstream from Kherson City that they could expand and move around behind the Russian fortifications. At present the Ukrainians are halfway between the villages of Kamianske and Vasylivska on the E105 highway that runs down the southern side of the Dnipro.​

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Will they or won't they? That is another question. The real questions that have to be asked:

• Are the Ukrainian forces physically up to what would be an energy sapping gruelling campaign?
• Do they have the equipment, personnel, ammunition, and all the other 1,001 things required in place for such a campaign?
• Will they be able to sustain such a campaign?
• If they do succeed and liberate the rest of Kherson Oblast, what next?
  • Would they have the ability to defend their gains against the inevitable Russian counter attacks?
  • Would they have the strength and capabilities to entertain a Crimean campaign?
  • Would they liberate the Luhansk and Donetsk Oblasts before they attack Ukraine?
    • Which is the bigger prize?
    • Or more importantly, which has the greater strategic objective?

Lot's of questions and much to think about.

Just to add more brain pain, what happens if / when Ukraine wins and evicts Russia from all its sovereign territory returning to the pre 2014 borders? Where does that leave Putin and the Russian Federation? There's a school of thought that suggests that the current war is an ongoing consequence of the collapse of the USSR, and there is much merit to that argument. The following video is by a historian and whilst it is suppistion it does give cause to think.

 

[Feanor]

Fact Check — Are Russian Conscripts in Ukraine Using Rifles from WWI?
The author of this article doesn't argue that the Mosin- Nagent was just issued to Seperatists as soley a sniper rifle but more general issue.
Leftyhunter

Stuff and nonsense. You've posted several links to western articles talking about the Mosin use in general terms. None have specifically addressed its use. This is just propaganda. Not lies exactly, just very misleading. If you look at photos, it's got optics every time. And if you look at photos of LDNR reservists from the Mariupol' assault or from early in the war where they didn't have body armor and were easily distinguishable by their SSh-68 helmets and side pouches, it's always the same 1-2 Mosins at most in a photo, each time with optics, surrounded by other troops with AKs and PKMs. There is one photo of 4 of them (though these 4 had flak jackets), but again all optics, and the photo was labeled as an LDNR sniper section. There is 0 evidence of the Mosin being issued as a primary infantry rifle. All of the evidence and all info from the rebel side points to them being used as sniper rifles. And while we're at it, there is at least one NATO member that at least recently used the Mosin as a sniper rifle.