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There's the weak spot right there in that graphic... no tractors!Thanks for explaining the details. Below is a graphic on a BTG’s vehicle fleet.
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There's the weak spot right there in that graphic... no tractors!Thanks for explaining the details. Below is a graphic on a BTG’s vehicle fleet.
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I think this is correct. Manpower casualties will be a bigger problem then equipment losses by far.Tanks need crews, and experienced ones. They can have thousands of tanks in reserve but they are useless without calling up the reservists. And I have considerable doubts about the ability of those reservists to use those tanks, much less within an ATGM rich environment like Ukraine.
It's a useful picture, but I would treat it as more of a sample then a defining image. There are armored BTGs which have a tank btln and a m-r coy. There are VDV BTGs, and "light" BTGs where the IFV/APC component is replaced by something lighter. 2 btlns howitzer and 1 MLRS is pretty standard but we've seen variations. The chart also excludes the recon element. A BTG usually has a recon coy attached with its own vehicles. There should also be an artillery-recon element. We can also expect a separate EW element, and often a sniper element.Thanks for explaining the details. Below is a graphic on a BTG’s vehicle fleet.
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Yep, the ARV component is horrifically weak. It's a traditional weakness of Soviet and Russian armed forces. There was an attempt made to remedy this in the Serdyukov area, but it was half-hearted at best.There's the weak spot right there in that graphic... no tractors!
I remember someone saying that this happened because the Nlaw was shot too near by, so the missile was not in its effective range, but I am no expert. Luckily this forum has several former infantry men as memebrs and hopefully they will explain it.In the battles for the Ukrainian city of Mariupol, one of the Russian T-72B tanks withstood a hit in the upper part of the tower of the Swedish-British portable NLAW ATGM, in the attack footage, one of the nationalists of the Azov battalion shoots at a Russian T-72B tank.
Warhead needs to be armed before it goes off. Not sure if NLAW's arming mechanism primes the warhead immediately after it leaves the tube or in this particular case, the warhead was not armed or defective.I remember someone saying that this happened because the Nlaw was shot too near by, so the missile was not in its effective range, but I am no expert. Luckily this forum has several former infantry men as memebrs and hopefully they will explain it.
Thank you or sharing.In the battles for the Ukrainian city of Mariupol, one of the Russian T-72B tanks withstood a hit in the upper part of the tower of the Swedish-British portable NLAW ATGM, in the attack footage, one of the nationalists of the Azov battalion shoots at a Russian T-72B tank.
The footage of the destroyed division of the S-300 air defense system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the settlement of Circuna, Kharkiv region, was published by the Russian Defense Ministry. The coordinates of the location of the S-300 air defense system of Ukraine were established with the help of electronic intelligence, after which the positions were struck by missile weapons. As a result of an accurate hit, the launchers of the S-300 air defense system and transport-loading vehicles with ammunition were destroyed.
Published footage of the calculations of the operational-tactical missile complex "Iskander-K" and the launch of the cruise missile R-500 in Ukraine. Iskander is a family of operational and tactical missile systems that has been in service with the Russian army for 15 years. Iskander is not a single missile system, but several modifications of various missiles. The basis of the Iskander-K complex is the 9K728 cruise missile, also known as the R-500, the launch of which is shown in the video. The missile has incredible accuracy, and is capable of hitting targets with an accuracy of up to two meters. Officially, the range of the R-500 missile is about 500 kilometers, but many sources believe that the actual range of the missile is 2000-2500
According to the Product Update Letter from Saab which was released in June 2015, the effective range of NLAW is 20-600 meters with a maximum firing range of 1000 meters.I remember someone saying that this happened because the Nlaw was shot too near by, so the missile was not in its effective range, but I am no expert. Luckily this forum has several former infantry men as memebrs and hopefully they will explain it.
The war is 100% Mr Putin responsibility.I’m not sure why you routinely accuse me of “rehashing Russian propaganda“ whenever I point out the CIA meddles with other Countries, which in many cases contributes to conflict. This is a defence forum. Surely we are allowed to discuss the causes of conflict? The issue is hardly limited to the Ukraine situation;
The CIA is even suspected of interfering with Australia’s political process;
Did the US interfere in Australia's 1975 election?
New data shows US government routinely intervenes in foreign elections. Did they play a part in Australia's tumultuous 1975 poll?thenewdaily.com.au
We are in the middle of a proxy war. If we want to avoid future Wars it is important to understand how they start. Both sides will invariably blame the other but the truth inevitably lies somewhere in the middle. The West is trying to pass this off as being 100% Russia’s fault but that view ignores reality.
Yes the discussion of conflict causation is important, however within that discourse we have to ensure that we have evidence to support our claims. Innuendo and conspiracy theories are not part of the discourse. If people want to discuss innuendo and conspiracy theories there are plenty of other venues on the internet to do so; this Forum is not such a venue. We prefer evidence based discourse.I’m not sure why you routinely accuse me of “rehashing Russian propaganda“ whenever I point out the CIA meddles with other Countries, which in many cases contributes to conflict. This is a defence forum. Surely we are allowed to discuss the causes of conflict? The issue is hardly limited to the Ukraine situation;
The CIA is even suspected of interfering with Australia’s political process;
Did the US interfere in Australia's 1975 election?
New data shows US government routinely intervenes in foreign elections. Did they play a part in Australia's tumultuous 1975 poll?thenewdaily.com.au
We are in the middle of a proxy war. If we want to avoid future Wars it is important to understand how they start. Both sides will invariably blame the other but the truth inevitably lies somewhere in the middle. The West is trying to pass this off as being 100% Russia’s fault but that view ignores reality.
I do too, but I don't think it will because NATO won't give Putin a reason to go nuclear and the sinking of Russian ships may be just enough to cause him to nut off and cross the nuclear Rubicon. That's something none of us really don't want.Land based NSM would diametrically change in the Black Sea, heavens, the Russians can witness armour being destroyed, however, start sinking their ships with much larger crews and that is a bad news day.
I hope it happens.
Before going Nuclear, one other thing to consider is those Russian fleet outside Odessa waters have enough missiles to flatten Odessa if they choose (without nuclear warheads). Also I don't know how good Russian CWIS, Shipborne SAM and counter measures on handling Western SSM (it was never been tested before). However seems so far their land based SAM doing quite good job on shooting down Ukraine missiles.but I don't think it will because NATO won't give Putin a reason to go nuclear and the sinking of Russian ships may be just enough to cause him to nut off and cross the nuclear Rubicon.
Is it not posturing?Before going Nuclear, one other thing to consider is those Russian fleet outside Odessa waters have enough missiles to flatten Odessa if they choose (without nuclear warheads). Also I don't know how good Russian CWIS, Shipborne SAM and counter measures on handling Western SSM (it was never been tested before). However seems so far their land based SAM doing quite good job on shooting down Ukraine missiles.
I put Odessa region, as that's practically the only Ukraine shore based left that still save to put Land Based SSM. Even some Western defense analysts agree that Russian despite the amount of resources they have committed in the war, still can be considered holding back.
If by putting Western land based system able to sink one of two Russian naval vessels, on the price the rest of Russian fleet unleash their missiles toward Odessa regions, that's something to consider upon too.
I also wondering on Ukrainian own Neptune land based SSM. They claim it is already operational (as they marketing them to SEA region), however they never use them. I suspect some of that Neptune already exists. However perhaps they holding it in case Russian Navy decided to do amphibious action to Odessa.
I believe the Russian doing that. Basically they're screening all the Ukrainian shores not under their control. Practically they are bottling up Odessa. Somehow it works, as Ukraine (in my opinion) prematurely scuttle their own flag ship, because of that 'posturing'.not posturing?
Yes, Russian Navy I believe also calculating that Ukraine actually have some of that Neptune Land Based SSM operational. That's one of the reason I believe they are still keep some distance from Odessa.Effective defense systems complicates things!
IIRC 20 metres is the minimum arming distance for this ATGM. Normally there is an arming distance for many ATGMs, to prevent the person firing from dying.Warhead needs to be armed before it goes off. Not sure if NLAW's arming mechanism primes the warhead immediately after it leaves the tube or in this particular case, the warhead was not armed or defective.
There are very specific anti-armour tactics taught at the school of infantry weapons — that I prefer not to detail. It is not about the missile but how it should be employed, by a commander. There are also numerous tactically different scenarios, depending on mission objective — we use a lot of simulators to train troops before they go for a confidence firing — the mistakes will be caught in training 95% of the time.Luckily this forum has several former infantry men as memebrs and hopefully they will explain it.
A single Khalibre from one of the Russian Navy's missile boats would have destroyed that ship. Ukraine did the right thing. A Russian missile boat taking out the Ukrainian flag ship would have made for great propaganda footage for the Russians.Somehow it works, as Ukraine (in my opinion) prematurely scuttle their own flag ship, because of that 'posturing'.
That and their initial videos of them singing that they would be inside Kyev in 24 hours made them look like idiots. But from all indication, they have been in the thick of things in Mauriopol.@T.C.P, there are a lot of videos on the Chechens — some forums are calling them tik tok battalions, which is harsh — there might be tactical reasons. This is because they are at times seen just making common 3rd rate conscript mistakes — trainers will do after action reviews or yell at trainees, when these sort of mistakes are made.
2. Urban warfare is very unforgiving, even if soldiers are from a well trained unit executing a competent plan. A bit of luck and good TTPs are needed, to stay in the fight.…they have been in the thick of things in Mauriopol.