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[Sandhi Yudha]

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FNSS - KAPLAN-10

The KAPLAN-10 is a new generation armoured combat fighting vehicle that has the ability to move together with main battle tanks.

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FNSS - KAPLAN NG-AFV Technical Specifications

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Above the screenshot that I take from TNI-AD Cavalry Command FB (Pussenkav), on their visit to Pindad (0:20 in video). In there Pindad shown family of track armoured vehicle base on their Harimau Medium Tank (FNSS Kaplan MT). The line up also basically base on FNSS line of Kaplan MT derivatives.

Politically the traction for TNI on using what Pindad already prepared with their FNSS partner will be big. Thus I will be 'bit' surprised if they (TNI) somehow still got permission to procure other type of tracked armoured vehicle after this.

Note:
Enough talk in Indonesian defense forums and media on getting additional Leo 2 for next MBT batch. However after the Ukrainian war, seems died down as no other 2nd hand Leo 2 available. The talk now is to upgrade batch of current unmodified Leo 2 A4 in inventory to similar standard of modified Leo 2 RI.

Hopefully the government support the development of this new IFV, so Pindad can develop it in a proper way until the new IFV is fully operational (like the Anoa and Maung) and not suddenly cancel it just before the end of the development/serial production starts, like many other Indonesian defence programs.

After all TNI-AD and -AL need a lot of new IFVs to replace the BTR-50, AMX-VCI and PT-76, and thanks to CAATSA Korps Marinir can not add more BMP-3Fs or order the BT-3F.

 

[Ananda]

This clearer photo circulating in Indonesian online forums, shown Pindad try to (off course with FNSS) developing two platforms base on Kaplan/Harimau MT; the left side more conventional ground base and right side more amphibious base.

Seems they want to cover all Army and Marines requirements.

 

[tonnyc]

That's sensible. Of course, logically we should have started with an APC base and make variations based on that, but oh well, FNSS basically did that anyway, we just pretended that it started with the 105 mm cannon version first.

 

[Ananda]

Yes, so far indication from that slide shown Kaplan-10 will be the base for that Amphibious version and Kaplan NG-AFV seems will become base for ground APC version. So it is not like Pindad going to develop from scratch. The base design already there, they just need to make some "customisation" for local "taste".

 

[ChestnutTree]

If it is indeed a licensed Caracal 816, it would be a more modern design, and superior in terms of reliability, accurancy etc to the SS2, which an updated FN FNC.

I took apart numerous SS2's, so I think I can confidently shed some light on this subject.

The SS2's issues is really the fault of the design of it's upper receiver group. For example, the piston itself is for whatever reason a three piece rod detachable from the bolt carrier instead of a one piece rod affixed to the bolt that is present on most piston operated firearms, like its predecessor the FNC. Furthermore, the barrel and piston block isn't free floated, and is relatively thin compared to other 5.56mm contemporaries. These issues are easily fixable if Pindad would actually take time and invest in R&D of a new upper receiver group instead of rushing off into the next project.

But of course that won't make them much money.

Seems Ukrainian and Russian war do open the horizon within our MinDef on importance of ground surveillance sensors.

You'd be surprised at how much of the war is being absorbed by professionals here. The upcoming Army wide individual personal protection suite that's currently being developed is based on lessons from the Russo-Ukraine war as well as modern body armor evolution. Currently no soft armor protection, which is sorely needed when you're dealing with massive fragmentation threats, but fortunately the suite is designed to be scalable as time goes on.

 

[ChestnutTree]

This clearer photo circulating in Indonesian online forums, shown Pindad try to (off course with FNSS) developing two platforms base on Kaplan/Harimau MT; the left side more conventional ground base and right side more amphibious base.

Seems they want to cover all Army and Marines requirements.

Makes the most sense to be honest. First time I've actually seen Pindad pushing something that isn't a complete gimmick since the Anoa. On a related note, I've heard talks about plans for creating a 120mm turret for the Harimau in order to share ammo with the Leo 2's. This would also be an interesting development.

 

[Ananda]

@ChestnutTree what are you heard on Anoa 3 ? Is they (Pindad) are going to still basing on French design or are they going with Anoa 2 derivative? Cause I heard conflicting info on this.

On a related note, I've heard talks about plans for creating a 120mm turret for the Harimau in order to share ammo with the Leo 2's. This would also be an interesting development.

Perhaps why the current Harimau 105mm is hold on limited batch. I also heard the 'lobby' whether using 120mm from Belgium or Italian. Hope they go with Italian gun, just from what I heard will give better production deal the Cockeril.

 

[ChestnutTree]

@ChestnutTree what are you heard on Anoa 3 ? Is they (Pindad) are going to still basing on French design or are they going with Anoa 2 derivative? Cause I heard conflicting info on this.

AIUI it's being marketed as a replacement to the Anoa but the TNI isn't interested in 6x6 designs anymore. Which I understand considering the limitations of future proofing a largely old design.

@ChestnutTree what are you heard on Anoa 3 ? Is they (Pindad) are going to still basing on French design or are they going with Anoa 2 derivative? Cause I heard conflicting info on this.



Perhaps why the current Harimau 105mm is hold on limited batch. I also heard the 'lobby' whether using 120mm from Belgium or Italian. Hope they go with Italian gun, just from what I heard will give better production deal the Cockeril.

I hope so as well. It's always funny to me seeing people attempting to promote Cockerill products when their entire business plan is to sell mediocre turret modules that get rebranded as "locally made" by their clients in return for royalties. Meanwhile the HITFACT is definitely a leap over the CM105.

 

[Ananda]

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Found this yesterday, but only got time to link it today in here. This video put by one of Indonesian enthusiasts in his X account. Shown how Army outpost in West Papua mountain being supplied for equipment with Russian made KA-32.

This helicopter if not mistaken belong to charter company that usually catered mining operations in West Papua. I'm bit different then some Indonesian enthusiasts that talk Army should get US made heavy helicopter.

For me, this shown even private companies still can maintain their Russian made helicopters even with the talks on sanctions. This shown that despite all the sanctions on financial market for Russian transactions, the flow of Russian parts can still happen, even with bit higher transactions costs. Getting Russian transactions through non western related financial market like in China, HK, India, or Dubai still run as ussual.

So this talk on difficulty servicing Russian equipments usually being talk by those defense insiders aka salesman that are Western OEM sales agents. Yes it's costlier now to source Russian parts or equipment due to higher transactions costs. However has to be seen more balance whether maintaining Rusian vs US equipment now more related to Politics or Economical sense.

 

[koxinga]

I hope so as well. It's always funny to me seeing people attempting to promote Cockerill products when their entire business plan is to sell mediocre turret modules that get rebranded as "locally made" by their clients in return for royalties. Meanwhile the HITFACT is definitely a leap over the CM105.

There are photos floating around of a so called domestic 105mm turret that is supposed to be an unlicensed copy of the Cockerill turret.

What's the story behind that and PT SSE's P8 light tank program?

Seems like small private sector projects in search of official endorsement.

 

[Ananda]

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Just add some video from MinDef channel on preparation for TNI's day on this Saturday 5th. This is why since last week TNI has open days to public in Monas Square in front of State Palace.

 

[Ananda]

Indonesian Army Strengthens Regional Security with New Medium Tanks and Armored Vehicles - MilitaryLeak.COM

The Indonesian Ministry of Defense handed over 569 units of defense vehicles to the Commander of the Indonesian Armed Forces (TNI), General Agus Subiyanto.

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Close to TNI days, MinDef handing over 569 ground vehicles to TNI. Mostly will go to Army, but some also to other branches and Marines. Including on this are latest batch of Pandur II 8x8 AFV and Harimau Medium Tank. For Harimau this batch are coming from the batch assemble and produce in Pindad facility, previous batch are coming from FNSS directly.

All the vehicle being 'brand' as local MIC products, eventough some like Pandur II basically Pindad only involved in local customizing. Well, clearly shown as political statement on local MIC involvement.

The biggest chunck of vehicle is 4x4 Light Tactical Vehicle (250) Maung from Pindad and Troop Transport Trucks (250) from Ralika. 4x4 Light Tactical Vehicle basically 4x4 SUV, that previously Pindad use Toyota Hilux chassis to develop. However present batches 'rumoures' using Korean Ssangyong (KG Mobility) design. Off course officially Pindad call it their own design development. I suspect they buy license Ssangyong design as their own.

Ralika is Russia GAZ Authorize Agent, and as they call it the Truck as their product, I suspect they already got assembly license from GAZ. Interesting move to diversify recent Truck Transport from local Hino assembly and now local GAZ assembly products. Well off course Hino still make biggest chunck off TNI Trucks, afterall Hino has manufacturing facility in Indonesia. Seems they just give smaller local assembly company some slice of cakes.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

TNI-AD has inaugurated five new infantery batalyons in the most eastern provinces of Indonesia.
But weren't the Raiders batalyons created for this purpose? I always had the feeling that the creation of these batalyons was a useless project of RR, even the name and concept were just stupid. But hey, it was RR's personal project, so you could expect a usefulness on the same level as the creator.

Panglima TNI resmikan lima Batalyon Infranteri PDR

Panglima TNI resmikan lima Batalyon Infranteri PDR. Sejumlah prajurit TNI AD dari Batalyon Infranteri (Yonif) Penyangga Daerah Rawan (PDR) mengikuti upacara peresmian ...

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[Sandhi Yudha]

I read some old articles about that chinese ZU-23-2 copy in TNI-AD service, and it seems that in May 2017, 6 soldiers got wounded/injured and 4 soldiers died because of a technical malfunction.

TNI-AD Tarik Seluruh Meriam Giant Bow

20 Mei 2017 Meriam Giant Bow II 2x23mm Kostrad TNI AD (photo : kostrad) NATUNA – Investigasi insiden yang mengakibatkan empat prajuri...

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Mengenal ZU-23 Giant Bow Buatan China yang Tewaskan 4 Prajurit TNI

ZU-23 atau Giant Bow Cannon mengalami kerusakan sehingga memuntahkan peluru kepada sejumlah anggota TNI.

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Are these hightech advanced air defence systems still in use by TNI-AD, or are they permanently retired from service?

 

[Ananda]

PT. Pindad (Persero) - Jajaki Kerja Sama, Wakil Perdana Menteri Sekaligus Menhan Slovakia Kunjungi Pindad

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Deputy PM/Defense Minister of Slovakia conduct state visit and corporate visit to Indonesia Defense Minister and Pindad. Not clear yet on potential industrial co-op they are planning. However rumours talk on co-op for large calibre ammo production and 120mm Self Propeled mortar system.

 

[Ananda]

FNSS - PHOTOS

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FNSS shown photo of AFV Kaplan based on their sites. This seems shown similarities with Photos from Pindad circulating on Indonesian Defense enthusiasts sites, that I have put previously.

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https://www.facebook.com/share/v/sMHE6C8JQPkUjrXF/?mibextid=D5vuiz https://www.fnss.com.tr/en/products/kaplan-10 https://www.fnss.com.tr/en/products/kaplan-ng-afv-new-generation-armoured-fighting-vehicle/kaplan-ng-afv-technical-specifications Above the screenshot that I take from TNI-AD...

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FNSS also shown the photos on this AFV with typical tropical Indonesia topography background. The camouflage also shown typical TNI tropical ones. In my view this is clearly shown the target market.

There's this photo that circulating on Indonesian forums and enthusiasts sites of similar type of AFV being "supposedly" being fabricated in Pindad. Well let's see how's this develop. However it is seems in traction of KAPLAN family armoured vehicles between FNSS and Pindad. Hopefully the plan for them to replace all AMX family come to fruition.

 

[Ananda]

Bit Trivia, for Today's presidential inauguration in Parliament, Pindad prepares special edition of their Maung Light Armoured 4x4. They call it Garuda Limousine.

Rumours circulate that Prabowo's wants to use this as part of Presidential fleet. Afterall so far the presidential and cabinet members use Mercedes Benz that assembled in Mercedes facilities in West Java. Now with this at least they can claim presidential cars using Ladder Frame SUV fabricated in Indonesia from Indonesian originate brand.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Bit Trivia, for Today's presidential inauguration in Parliament, Pindad prepares special edition of their Maung Light Armoured 4x4. They call it Garuda Limousine.

Rumours circulate that Prabowo's wants to use this as part of Presidential fleet. Afterall so far the presidential and cabinet members use Mercedes Benz that assembled in Mercedes facilities in West Java. Now with this at least they can claim presidential cars using Ladder Frame SUV fabricated in Indonesia from Indonesian originate brand.

Its something the 7th president had to do also, but didn't. As far as i know PASPAMPRES only used some specially modified Anoas to evacuate the presidential family in case of emergency.

Prabowo has showed that he is a much better Minister of Defence than that brain dead person before him. So i also hope that he will be a good president, better than the 7th president.

Here some more information about the Pindad Maung Garuda.

Fitur Lengkap Maung Garuda Indonesia-1, Limousine Pindad yang Antar Prabowo ke Istana Negara

PT Pindad memperkenalkan varian Maung terbaru yakni MV3 Garuda Limousine yakni kendaraan kepresidenan yang dipergunakan Presiden Prabowo Subianto.

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[Ananda]

FNSS shown photo of AFV Kaplan based on their sites. This seems shown similarities with Photos from Pindad circulating on Indonesian Defense enthusiasts sites, that I have put previously.

FNSS - FNSS Showcases the Newest Member of the Tracked Vehicle Family, KAPLAN APC’s Conceptual Design; Joint Development and Production Program with PT PINDAD

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FNSS officially call this as Kaplan APC, and state this as their JV project with Indonesian Pindad. The prototype will be shown on this year SAHA Defense Exhibition. Rumours also talk the prototype will be later on be shown at the next IndoDefense.



Just add a picture of the model from Defense Turkey site that taking it in SAHA Defense expo.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Pindad posted recently a photo from a ceremony. Maybe a stupid question, but since when is the doedelzak/highland bagpipes part of the Indonesian culture?

Or is the person behind this idea inspired by the House of Artreides from Dune?