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[Sandhi Yudha]

https://www.facebook.com/lembagakeris/posts/4673751256066514

Apparently, there was a technical meeting for a 280km MLRS dubbed ITBM 600 according to KRIS. Multiple forums said it was of Turkish origin. I have no idea the army is in the market for a ballistic missile. Some forum suspected that it may be Turkish Khan.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2058885057605205&id=1222648834562169

Thank you for sharing, but your code is unreadable.
I think you mean this link.

https://www.facebook.com/lembagakeris/posts/4673751256066514

The MLRS is not a ballistic missile missile system.

Ah....i was already surprised...but i didn't know about the existence of an MLRS with a range of 280 km.
How can rockets be accurate on such distance, or are these actually guided missiles?



Here some images of the Harimau Cockeril turret.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514540951267651585

 

[Arji]

Thank you for sharing, but your code is unreadable.
I think you mean this link.

https://www.facebook.com/lembagakeris/posts/4673751256066514

Yea, sorry I messed around with it a bit because I don't know how to post links from Facebook, I figured it out now. It's fixed.

The MLRS is not a ballistic missile missile system.

Well, the original post called it an MLRS, whilst also saying mentioning its 280 km range. It may have been just a local designation for it, whilst in actuality it is a missile.

 

[ngatimozart]

Yea, sorry I messed around with it a bit because I don't know how to post links from Facebook, I figured it out now. It's fixed.

Well, the original post called it an MLRS, whilst also saying mentioning its 280 km range. It may have been just a local designation for it.

No probs. The definition of a ballistic missile can be confusing because yes in a physics sense the MLRS is a ballistic missile because it travels upon a ballistic path, just the same as a bullet, or any projectile, including any rocket. However in a military and international law sense they are defined as such:

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The term "ballistic missile" means a missile that is a weapon-delivery vehicle that has a ballistic trajectory over most of its flight path. This term includes, within its definition, a defined term, weapon-delivery vehicle," which is also covered in subparagraph 9(b) of Article III of the Treaty, as follows: if a ballistic missile has been flight-tested or deployed for weapon delivery, all ballistic missiles of that type shall be considered to be weapon-delivery vehicles. Not all ballistic missiles are covered by the Treaty. For example, ballistic missiles that are of a type developed and tested solely to intercept and counter objects not located on the surface of the Earth are not considered to be ballistic missiles subject to Treaty limitations, pursuant to subparagraph 9(a) of Article III of the Treaty. ​

Source: ABA/Annex of Definitions (fas.org) which is Annex to the START Treaty.​

 

[Ananda]

didn't know about the existence of an MLRS with a range of 280 km.
How can rockets be accurate on such distance, or are these actually guided missiles?

If this is MLRS and TNI-AD MLRS now build around Astros. Then perhaps they are talking on this one:


This one after all build within Astros MLRS environment, and I do seems remember Pindad and TNI-AD visit to Avibras and being presented this one.

Brazilian call it as Cruise Missile, with 300km design range.

 

[Arji]

If this is MLRS and TNI-AD MLRS now build around Astros. Then perhaps they are talking on this one:

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This one after all build within Astros MLRS environment, and I do seems remember Pindad and TNI-AD visit to Avibras and being presented this one.

Brazilian call it as Cruise Missile, with 300km design range.

The talk is that it's a different project, but this is also possible.

 

[Ananda]

Well so far the leak only shown what PINDAD work on their own version of MLRS as I have posted in #1,110.

If this not with Avibras, let's see whose partner they are working with

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Its nice that the army trains with the Starstreak air defence missile system, but arming every company with MANPADS?
We don't have that many Mistrals and Starstreaks. Or do they only plan to arm the Raider companies with MANPADS? (Both the 300th and 400th batalyon have trained with it recently)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514927015262298115

 

[Arji]

Its nice that the army trains with the Starstreak air defence missile system, but arming every company with MANPADS?
We don't have that many Mistrals and Starstreaks. Or do they only plan to arm the Raider companies with MANPADS? (Both the 300th and 400th batalyon have trained with it recently)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514927015262298115

The MANPADS for every company is just the plan from RAPIM AFAIK. Realization is another matter entirely. Still, it's good to know they're updating their infantry doctrine.

 

[ChestnutTree]

In an interesting development, Chief of the Indonesian Armed Forces, Andika Perkasa has invited delegations from US INDOPACOM, the ADF, as well as the Japanese Ambassador to discuss enhancing the annual Garuda Shield from a bilateral exercise into a multi-lateral exercise. The current line-up has 14 participating nations, with recent news saying would include:

- The United States
- Australia
- Singapore
- Malaysia
- The United Kingdom
- Canada
- Japan
- East Timor

Very interesting development indeed. And the line-up could imply Andika wanting to foster positive relationships with the forces of AUKUS. @OPSSG, I recall we had a small conversation about Garuda Shield potentially becoming a multi-lateral exercise.

 

[OPSSG]

In an interesting development, Chief of the Indonesian Armed Forces, Andika Perkasa has invited delegations from US INDOPACOM, the ADF, as well as the Japanese Ambassador to discuss enhancing the annual Garuda Shield from a bilateral exercise into a multi-lateral exercise. The current line-up has 14 participating nations, with recent news saying would include:

- The United States
- Australia
- Singapore
- Malaysia
- The United Kingdom
- Canada
- Japan
- East Timor

Very interesting development indeed. And the line-up could imply Andika wanting to foster positive relationships with the forces of AUKUS. @OPSSG, I recall we had a small conversation about Garuda Shield potentially becoming a multi-lateral exercise.

Yes. This can grow to be the TNI’s version of Cobra Gold and I think it will be bigger than Thailand’s exercise within 8 years.

Ultimately, at a time of crisis Singapore is the closest with the ability to help; that is why I wrote in the other thread:

Defending the Natuna Islands

1. I am glad that there is increasing clarity from Indonesia on the threat matrix in relation to the Natuna Islands — the nearest friendly military help or logistics support point, to deter any unlikely attack on these islands must be staged out Singapore.

2. We are about 570km away, which means that these Indonesian islands are within range of the SAF’s Chinooks, C-130Hs and the 7,600 ton Endurance Class LPDs to resupply.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1511893006278103043

3. This is news — a pleasant surprise on the scale and scope. Brigade or higher level training with the TNI & US Army, that also includes elements from the SAF. More than likely, the SAF will send a headquarters planning and liaison element — to open up the entire inventory of the SAF, should the need arise.

@ChestnutTree, I remain hopeful that the TNI-SAF cooperation and partnership will grow as we engage the Americans and Japanese in a circle of multilateral security relationships.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1461292897274191872

Hopefully, at a bilateral level we can:

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(a) cycle through more Indonesian motorised battalions to train with 5 SIR Terrex vehicles in our improving urban warfare facilities at Exercise Safkar Indopura; and​

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(b) have the Special Forces Command (KOPASSUS) train more with Singapore’s 1st Commando Battalion at Exercise Chandrapura.​

It will not only be good for mutual motorised infantry and commando TTP exchange but also great for confidence building of young TNI AD junior officers, to speak and give orders in English.

 

[Ananda]

Very interesting development indeed. And the line-up could imply Andika wanting to foster positive relationships with the forces of AUKUS

Let's wait for some Political Factions and their analysts going to talk in Media, similar type of military exercise should be build with China and Russia. Afterall election only short term away .

 

[ChestnutTree]

Hopefully, at a bilateral level we can:

(a) cycle through more Indonesian motorised battalions to train with 5 SIR Terrex vehicles in our improving urban warfare facilities at Exercise Safkar Indopura; and

(b) have the Special Forces Command (KOPASSUS) train more with Singapore’s 1st Commando Battalion at Exercise Chandrapura.

It will not only be good for mutual motorised infantry and commando TTP exchange but also great for confidence building of young TNI AD junior officers, to speak and give orders in English.

The lesson that I am most hopeful for could be taken by the TNI is the importance of logistics and standardization. We have seen in Ukraine what pisspoor logistics could do to a military that is fighting what can be considered an inferior OPFOR. Hopefully observers in the Indonesian government can see that and try to emulate what Singapore, the United States, and Australia can do in regards to their supply chain.

Let's wait for some Political Factions and their analysts going to talk in Media, similar type of military exercise should be build with China and Russia. Afterall election only short term away .

Fairly sure that at this point, regardless of what political factions and Indonesian media likes to blab about, anything less than a 'militarily tough on China' stance is political suicide.

 

[Ananda]

Fairly sure that at this point, regardless of what political factions and Indonesian media likes to blab about, anything less than a 'militarily tough on China' stance is political suicide.

TNI and Defense establishment under Prabowo's clearly can be said closing the door for major defense item from China and Russia. We have seen video on Andika lecturing Marines brass not to source equipment from potential 'problematic' sources (when he talk on replacement for old Soviet era Marines amphibious armoured).

So there's no doubt where the TNI and MinDef leadership leaning at this moment. However on Political side, it's not that easy East and West situation. Politics in Indonesia basically still want Indonesia to stay in the middle.

Analis Militer Soroti Latihan Bersama TNI AD dan Tentara AS di 3 Lokasi

Analis militer, Connie Rahakundini, menyatakan TNI AD harus juga menggelar latihan dengan negara lainnya, seperti Cina atau Rusia.

nasional.tempo.co

Latihan bersama TNI-AS dinilai bikin gerah China

Latihan bersama yang melibatkan 2.282 personel AS ini, memberikan tekanan kepada negara China dan sahabatnya.

www.alinea.id

This just couple of example of some analysts (which basically has Political Factions behind them), that are shown concern on last year Garuda Shield scopes. I don't put other Analysts in media that talk on more supportive tone for Garuda Shield.

However Indonesia still Politically playing 'fine' line between China and US. So by doing larger Garuda Shield this year, there will be counter move to balance the relationship with China (and Russia in lesser extent). So for example it will be interesting on how Indonesia going to balance G20 meeting between US and Allies against China and Russia (perhaps even India).

Just like India, Indonesia clearly so far shown it wants to stay in the middle ground. That's why I don't think it's Political suicide to some in Political factions to call balancing diplomacy on defense co-op. It might be not purely on defense (the balancing) but perhaps more on Investment drive for example, or other related area on International diplomacy.

Let's see how this is progressing.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Operasi Madago Raya, previously known as Operasi Tinombala, started in 2016 is a joint police-armed forces operation and was created to prevent that a group of less than 100 terrorists which are loyal to ISIS, could spread their terror into the eastern part of Indonesia. This week one of the left over terrorists is killed, and now there have to be some 8 members left over, after 6 years.

Satgas Madago Raya Tewaskan Satu Teroris MIT di Parigi Moutong, Sulawesi Tengah

Polisi terus memburu anggota kelompok teroris Mujahidin Indonesia Timur (MIT) yang masih bersembunyi di wilayah Poso. Perburuan tersebut membuahkan hasil dengan tewasnya satu anggota MIT dalam operasi terbaru yang dilancarkan pada pekan ini.

www.voaindonesia.com

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

If the information is correct, then we know now that TNI-AD is using the 300 mm SS-60 (20–60 km) and SS-80 (22–90 km) version rockets.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1525116029982060547

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

On this image we can see that 7 Badaks are delivered and 3 still in construction. From the Harimau medium tank all 18 are in production and scheduled to be delivered before the end of Januari 2024.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1532542180526813189

 

[Ananda]

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From Keris FB, shown training program for TNI-AD Cavalry Horse Back units. The training quite comprehensive from taking care the herd, feeding them and familiarize with each horses assigned. Each riders being trained to build the bonds with their horses.

Nice to see TNI-AD Cavalry still maintain horse unit, despite the increasing numbers of mechanised equipment modernisation need.

 

[Ananda]

https://www.facebook.com/489060897911880/posts/2227851234032829

https://www.facebook.com/489060897911880/posts/2227832517368034

Pindad sign two co-op agreement at Eurosatory 2022 in Paris. The agreement with Arquus for development of new Armoured vehicles and with Nexter for ammo development. Those agreement is follow up from previous MOU sign in Jakarta before between Indonesia defense SOE's and French defense contractors.

With Nexter it is the agreement for various version of 120mm gun ammo, which Nexter claim can work with any 120mm smoothbore NATO standard gun. The only 120mm gun TNI use now are Rheinmettal 120mm L44 in Leo2 A4. Perhaps those rumours of TNI want to increase population of 120mm Tank has some bases.

While PINDAD with Arquus already partner for long time (when Arquus still call Renault Defense Truck) on Anoa and Badak 6x6 (using tech base on VAB) and Komodo 4x4 (based on Sherpa). Let's see what they're now planning to develop based on.

 

[Arji]

With Nexter it is the agreement for various version of 120mm gun ammo, which Nexter claim can work with any 120mm smoothbore NATO standard gun. The only 120mm gun TNI use now are Rheinmettal 120mm L44 in Leo2 A4. Perhaps those rumours of TNI want to increase population of 120mm Tank has some bases.

How hard is it to manufacture modern APFSDS round? I'm guessing they will import the tungsten penetrator as I doubt Indonesia has the capability to manufacture it. That leaves only the propellant and casing. I think we can manage with propellant, but how difficult is it to make the combustible casing? I don't think the recipe for it is not so top secret, at least compare to the penetrator material and design.

 

[Ananda]

I'm guessing they will import the tungsten penetrator as I doubt Indonesia has the capability to manufacture it. That leaves only the propellant and casing

I don't know how extensive this agreement with Nexter coverage, however I do have suspicion it will be like Commercial Tungsten Rod in Indonesia so far. They got materials from China and doing final machining in here. Basic Metalurgi so far still achilles heel for Indonesian Metal Industry.