First, exactly what technology did the Israelis give to China this time?
It is rumored that the design of their kinetic energy round has roots from Isreal, I would think most likely passed through Ukraine.
And some of the Chechens had trained on the tanks they were fighting, so knew their strengths & weaknesses intimately.
Agreed.
I certainly think that the T-34 was the best tank in world war II. I also now that in the 50's 60's and 70's the West was behind. But now we are ahead. I also think the reason we were behind was that the made ALOT of tanks.
You are right. I always have underestimated Soviet equipment and tanks especially the T-72 because of what happened in Gulf War I. You are right though, the T-90 is good but as good as the others.(Challenger, Leopard,Merkava,Abrams.)
)German defence goods, I think will always be top notch in all aspects including price. I know this doesn't relate to the forum but your type 212 subs are simply amazing. They're said to be the quitest in the world. I wathced a TV show on AIP subs and it said their was a German engineer in WWII who developed AIP propulsion. He the fitted it to a revolutionalry new streamlined U-boat design. Just when it was going to enter service soon, the war ended. THAT just proves how good Germans are at engineering. Countries will always buy German goods though, no matter what the price. Why? they're very reliable.In the moment the german industry is able to offer nearly the complete range of ground vehicles to potential customers.
And those vehicles are near the top or are number one in the world in terms of capabilities (No always when you look at the price
For how long we can do this is questionable.
The german industry is very dependent on exports, much more than in the time of cold war (But who is not besides the US).
Some of our top projects might not have become reality (PzH2000, Puma) if developement would not have been started during cold war.
The german defense industry has two advantages over many other countries out there and one big disadvantage.
It has one of the biggest civil industry bases in the world and decades of experience when it comes to military projects.
But our own army is also chronically underfunded...
Just look at it. The Leopard 2 A6 a great, if not the best tank in the world. The Type 212 submarine. The finest, quitest, and most adavanced non nuclear sub in the world. The Eurofighter, one of the finest fighter airplanes. I still think you guys will always make top notch stuff. I think NO ONE can beat Germans in weapons enginering. Another cool fact. Do you now that the man who started America's Space/Rocket program was German? Germans were also the first country to get a ballistic missile, the V-2.Nice to hear that but I think you overestimate us.
I see, you are impressed from some mythology about 'bad commies'. You should better read some classic memoirs (Russian or German) about the issue before go for conclusion.
We are regularly beaten in weapons engineering by many countries out there.Just look at it. The Leopard 2 A6 a great, if not the best tank in the world. The Type 212 submarine. The finest, quitest, and most adavanced non nuclear sub in the world. The Eurofighter, one of the finest fighter airplanes. I still think you guys will always make top notch stuff. I think NO ONE can beat Germans in weapons enginering. Another cool fact. Do you now that the man who started America's Space/Rocket program was German? Germans were also the first country to get a ballistic missile, the V-2.
I have always admired the T-34. It performed wonderfully against the evil tanks of the Germans in WWII. I also admire the T-72. Although it did HORRIBLY in the Gulf War. But that was because of bad Iraqi army training+tactics. The T-62 was eaten alive by Israeli Centurions (i forgot which war, the 1967 or 1973) The Centurions knocked out some 10 T-62s for every loss As for the T-90, its a good tank but I just don't think it is as good as other western MBTs.
Still think what I've told you before.We are regularly beaten in weapons engineering by many countries out there.
You should maybe try to be not that absolute in your opinion about several topics.
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I would also rate T-34 as the best tank of the war but not because he was the best in overall capabilities but because he was very good without getting too expensive or difficult to produce.
So the Sovjets had the chance to field a good (And sometimes excellent) tank in fearsome numbers while Germany was not able to come even close to fielding a comparable niumber of tanks which could match the T-34 in all its versions.
BTW, running over a Luftwaffe Felddivision and crushing it into the ground is not the hardest job out there.
Those division were mostly security divisions with light weapons.
I didnt mean political censorship, but the Intellectual Propety Rights over-striction, that prevents appearance of free net-libraries. Just I wanted to say, sometimes one can find a rare 'antiquarian' publication in Russian, while the original English or Germany edition is very hard to achive. Thus the Russian speaking domain can offer for an interester a lot of publications about WWII, like the memoirs of the leading Russian and German groun forces commanders . Beleive me, it's just awesome possibility! WIth babelfish and google-translation it little by little become use full for a non-Russian speaking as well. I personally can offer for anybody who's interested in ground forces operations in WWII some exellent memoirs: