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John Newman
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It will be interesting how the class is named, after 'what, where or who', and it has to be done with relevance and respect too.HMAS Bundaberg, Bunbury, Broome, Bondi, Bellingen, Bega, Bateau Bay, Byron Bay, Broadbeach, Bicheno and Beaumaris
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MB
Whilst I certainly respect the six names chosen for the Collins Class, I also have a soft spot for the 'O' Boat class names.
We had the first two O Boats back in the 20's (that's 1920's too), and then carried on (and expanded) with the six RAN Oberon's of the 60's.
We managed to expand the original names of the RAN O boats from two to six, would it be possible to expand it to 12?
Two of my local friends are old O-boaties. One was a planesman and the other was an officer but I don't know what he did. Twelve names beginning with "O" will be a challenge. Re-cycling the Oberon names would be a good start
MB
I did a four week patrol, all underwater, in HMS Onslaught in the SCS a million years ago. We secured alongside HMS Forth on completion and spent the next hour in a huge bath, our combined stink of BO and dieso must have been smelled all the way from the Singapore Str. No matter, I loved it and nearly joined the service.
Fred Hollows and Nancy Wake, both Kiwis. What about naming them after VC holders. Another option. Start with RAN VC holders and then alternate the remainder of the names from the other two services. Just a thought.
What about naming them after VC holders. Another option. Start with RAN VC holders and then alternate the remainder of the names from the other two services. Just a thought.
John Newman
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I haven't research a reasonable list of 'O' names, but here's a few:
* Orange (near Bathurst in NSW).
* Ourimbah (in NSW between Sydney and the Central Coast - has Aboriginal origins.
* Ouyen - Town in Vic, again reported to have Aboriginal origins.
* Ongerup - Town in WA, reported to mean "place of the male kangaroo" in the local Noongar language.
That's four for a start, but I'm sure there are 'greater' minds than mine to come up with another 'appropriate' six O names!
That is going to be difficult as there are not to my knowledge any RAN VC holders - much to the puzzlement of many including myselfFred Hollows and Nancy Wake, both Kiwis.
MB
I don't normally get into this but I figure it might be a nice gesture to name the class after some of their forebears from the Fourth Submarine Flotilla, all of whom served on the Australia Station immediately after WWII and contributed greatly to the RAN.
These boats already have Battle Honours, they are unlikely to be used again in the RN and have relevance to us.
The As and Ts who served here are; Telemachus and Thorough, Tapir, Trump, Taciturn and Tabard and the As Andrew, Anchorite and Aurochs.
In fact Trump and Tabard transferred to the new Australian Submarine Squadron when HMAS Oxley arrived in October 1968.
These boats already have Battle Honours, they are unlikely to be used again in the RN and have relevance to us.
The As and Ts who served here are; Telemachus and Thorough, Tapir, Trump, Taciturn and Tabard and the As Andrew, Anchorite and Aurochs.
In fact Trump and Tabard transferred to the new Australian Submarine Squadron when HMAS Oxley arrived in October 1968.
John Newman
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Certainly could do worse than honour the A's and T's that were stationed in Sydney between 1949 to 1969 (and that's according to my 'Warships of Australia' book that was published in the '70's, if anyone doesn't have a copy, well worth the time, effort and expense to get hold of a copy! I've had one forever and it even smells like an old library book too!).
But there is one boat missing from your list of nine, the 10th boat, one of the T's, and that was 'Tactician'.
Cheers,
Edit:
Almost forgot, there was also one of the RN 'O' boats that was stationed in Australia between 1972-1975 and that was HMS Odin.
Redlands18
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If we were to use the o class names we could pinch a few off the RN they are not using them and won't be for the foreseeable future. I like the idea of using animals of the sea as names for Subs such as Dolphin, Shark, Barracuda but i get the feeling it may not be politically correct in 2016, upset the greenies too much.
The new AORs will probably be named in the next few months I'm betting on Stalwart & Supply.
The new AORs will probably be named in the next few months I'm betting on Stalwart & Supply.
Oops missed Tactician my old eyes scanned and joined her with Taciturn. My Grandmothers house in Mosman looked directly across to HMAS Penguin at Balmoral and had my fathers WW2 binoculars and I watched them day and night ( I used to live with her on school hols as my parents were in PNG). Probably the main reason I joined up.
There are 5 Aust Naval members who were awarded the George Cross: Goldsworthy, Gosse, Moulde, Rogers & Symes. There was also Bagot whose Albert Medal was exchanged for a George Cross when the Albert Medal was replaced.
Or maybe towns and villages in France where diggers served in WW1. eg Pozieres
Redlands18
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I believe we can thank the RN for that MB. I once remember reading somewhere that in the old days the Australian Government could award Soldiers And Airman VCs but any for a member of the RAN had to be ok'd by the RN first, that has now been changed. All Teddy Sheean got at the time was a mentioned in despatches. The RAN went a long way towards rectifying that by naming a Sub after him.
There was a move several years ago to award 13 retrospective VCs (11 of them from the RAN including Sheean) but the committee declined all 13. Another one on the list was John Simpson of Gallipoli fame.
t68
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How France sank Japan's $40 billion Australian submarine dream | Reuters
looks like the French knew how to play the game better than every one else, hiring the ex Chief of Staff for the former Defence Minister was the game changer or so it appears.
looks like the French knew how to play the game better than every one else, hiring the ex Chief of Staff for the former Defence Minister was the game changer or so it appears.
Who knows, maybe the RSL chimed in with anti Jerry,Jap sentiments.
It has happend before on a smaller scale....when landrovers were selected for project parente.
It has happend before on a smaller scale....when landrovers were selected for project parente.
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there was an ex RAv VADM who was vocally anti-japanese to the point where some thought it was disproportionate.
hard to say, there are ex O and Collins drivers who were anti-japanese, there were people like my old boss who was an ex T, O and RN nuke driver who was pro japanese. I know of one who was anti-German (prob because he held the same view pre-Collins selection)
I'd add that the ex T, O and nuke driver also had a business which dealt with modifying conventionals to have lower acoustic numbers, so had experience way beyond being just a driver
c'ext le vie, c'est le guerre
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