Russian Navy Discussions and Updates
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Won't be Su 15 Flagons because they were never converted for carrier ops.
My bad. I meant Su-33s but got them mixed up with J-15s.
Confirmed for this trip are at least 5 Su-33s, presumably all with the SVP-24 upgrade, 4 MiG-29K/KUBs, and at least 2 Ka-52Ks (probably 4-8 of them). It also carries it's usual hodge-podge of Ka-27s, Ka-29s, and Ka-31s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ueBv69MsFY
Video of Kuznetsov passing what i assume are the cliffs of Dover, KA-52 makes an appearance.
Video of Kuznetsov passing what i assume are the cliffs of Dover, KA-52 makes an appearance.
What does she run on - coal?
There is some serious exhaust smoke from those engines
MB
Doesn't she make some smoke! I have seen film of her before a 'bit smokey' but that is really something else.
Maybe the stokers are half asleep again. I believe that it is a stokers maxim that fresh air and sunlight are dangerous and unnatural
Nick underscore
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She has such beautiful lines for warship and always surprised somewhat at how low she 'seems' to sit in the water.
She is looking a little dated, but great to see her conducting ops again.
She is looking a little dated, but great to see her conducting ops again.
That's true but probably the fact that her magazines are full and she's loaded down with aircraft would account for that. I wonder what other ships are in the convoy. Having one of the Kirovs there would make the convoy look even more impressive.
Nick underscore
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Maybe Sturm, but many of the historical photo-sets across the class (and over the years) seem to indicate they all 'sit' quite low in the water..
Additionally, Feanor confirmed earlier (below), she is probably carrying no more than half her maximum CAW..
The Kutzenov Group has been reported - 1x Kirov (Peter the Great), 2x Udaloy DDG (Vice-Admiral Kulakov & Sveromorsk). The other x4 ships are support (one would think at least x1 oceangoing fleet tug)..
Two Russian corvettes also coverging on the group, coming South from the coast of Portugal.
I wouldn't be surprised if x1-2 subs lurking in the vicinity
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Steam boilers likely requiring Mazut, probably not state of the art from an environmental point of view.
Yes, the Russians have had a habit of designing such lines in their major surface combatants.
Speculation from the old steam snipes is either:
-poorly configured/maintained plant, specifically economizer tubes or forced draft blowers
-extra heavy bunker fuel
Both of which means it's dumping lots of fuel at a poor mix onto fires=lots of smoke.
Watch vids from that fateful day aboard the Forrestal to see much the same thing. They say much if the regs in aviation are written in blood for a reason
One poster that hung in our shop always stuck out to me: Ready Room Gouge -- Learn from the mistakes of others. You wont live long enough using only your own
Probably both. Russian boilers are not known to be very reliable, or well maintained. Also I remember news articles from when France was still building the Mistral's for Russia that the Russian navy used fuel that was much heavier than what the Mistral's required and they would of require a separate logistics chain than the rest of the Russian Navy.
So the two Baltic corvettes have returned to port, the second 11356 which was reported as headed to the Black Sea Fleet, is still in Baltiysk. And the two 21631s that were in the Mediterranean are now on their way to the Baltic where a new brigade of small missile ships is being stood up. To top it off the Kaliningrad region AShM regiment has received new Bal missile systems, and is being expanded into a brigade. Coupled with the new Iskander missiles and the S-400 deployed there, this seems to be a step towards turning Kaliningrad into a significant strong point both defensively and offensively. The plans for the 11356 frigates may also change.
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Finally, the first 20386 corvette is about to be laid down. It's an upgraded 20380 with new sensors, electronics, and a module space at the back that allows it to carry more AShMs, Kalibr missiles, patrol boats, or a helicopter/UAV.
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Finally, the first 20386 corvette is about to be laid down. It's an upgraded 20380 with new sensors, electronics, and a module space at the back that allows it to carry more AShMs, Kalibr missiles, patrol boats, or a helicopter/UAV.
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Apparently Spain is reviewing Russia's permit to resupply the Kuznetsov flotilla at the port of Ceuta which is in Spanish territory in North Africa. This rethink has occurred after criticism from within the EU and NATO even though NATO has said that each individual nation makes it own choice about whether or not to resupply this flotilla. That may put a crimp in the Russian plans.
The Russian SSBN BS-64 Podmoskovie which is a Project 667BDRM Delfin-class (NATO: Delta IV) SSBN designated K-64, has returned to sea for trials after a 16 year refit. It is no longer a SSBN having been converted to a special missions sub capable of launching and recovering UUVs. It's range of special missions is unknown but ISR would have to be one capability set.
The Russian SSBN BS-64 Podmoskovie which is a Project 667BDRM Delfin-class (NATO: Delta IV) SSBN designated K-64, has returned to sea for trials after a 16 year refit. It is no longer a SSBN having been converted to a special missions sub capable of launching and recovering UUVs. It's range of special missions is unknown but ISR would have to be one capability set.
I believe Spain fell to NATO pressure and halted the port call to re supply. I'll look for a link
That said, interesting to me they can't go such a short cruise without the need.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Apparently the Russians cancelled the request to refuel at the Spanish port. Could be they suspected the request was going to be rejected and wanted to get ahead of this.
Russian warships: Spain says refuelling request withdrawn - BBC News
Russian warships: Spain says refuelling request withdrawn - BBC News