Russia to get SU-35 by 2011

[gf0012-aust]

The guy at RAND Corp. who said this was not associated with the fighter or combat eval depts of RAND in any way and is in fact not employed by RAND anymore.

On top of which I would add that this so-called expert also didn't know the functional difference of the Falconview software package when the claim was made that it was involved in simming fighter events.

Unfort for the so-called expert trotted out by the fan clubbers - Falconview has got nothing to do with fighter simulations

It reinforced immediately that the article and claims were so innaccurate as to bring into question the technical competency of those "claimed" to have direct insight.

Aussie Digger had a slight "discussion" with some of them at one stage.

The object lesson here is if you don't know, or don't understand what you're talking about, then better to stay silent than publicly demonstrate that you know bugger all.

 

[SkolZkiy]

Sorry guys but the author is wrong in some ways.
First of all Su-27SM2 it is SU-27SM or Su-27 upgraded to level of Su-35BM.
Su-35BM has a changed airframe - look at Hornet and SuperHornet - the same difference.
Secondly Pogosyan was put to MiG because of uneffectiveness of previous management and of course due to including MiG in UAC.

 

[Crusader2000]

Sorry guys but the author is wrong in some ways.
First of all Su-27SM2 it is SU-27SM or Su-27 upgraded to level of Su-35BM.
Su-35BM has a changed airframe - look at Hornet and SuperHornet - the same difference.
Secondly Pogosyan was put to MiG because of uneffectiveness of previous management and of course due to including MiG in UAC.

Well, the Hornet and Super Hornet do not share any of the same structure. Are you saying that is also the case between earlier Flankers and the Su-35????

 

[Haavarla]

Well, the Hornet and Super Hornet do not share any of the same structure. Are you saying that is also the case between earlier Flankers and the Su-35????

Well the difference on the Legasy Su-27 and the Su-35 are not as visible to the naked eye as the difference on Hornet vs SH.

But nevertheless a difference there is.
The Su-35 have larger Wings.
Smaller Rudders.
Some small changes in the tail Sting and a larger Nose.
It has higher proportion of Carbon fiber and alumimium-lithium alloy in the fuselage.
Composite used in components such as leading-edge flaps, Nosewheel doors and Randome etc etc.

The Internal structure of the airframe has been strenghten and systems are much more compact and cleverly placed.
Hence the larger internal Fuel tanks.


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[Crusader2000]

Well the difference on the Legasy Su-27 and the Su-35 are not as visible to the naked eye as the difference on Hornet vs SH.

But nevertheless a difference there is.
The Su-35 have larger Wings.
Smaller Rudders.
Some small changes in the tail Sting and a larger Nose.
It has higher proportion of Carbon fiber and alumimium-lithium alloy in the fuselage.
Composite used in components such as leading-edge flaps, Nosewheel doors and Randome etc etc.

The Internal structure of the airframe has been strenghten and systems are much more compact and cleverly placed.
Hence the larger internal Fuel tanks.


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So, in short the Su-27 and Su-35 are substantially different. While, the Hornet and Super Hornet are totally different.

 

[Haavarla]

So, in short the Su-27 and Su-35 are substantially different. While, the Hornet and Super Hornet are totally different.

Yes i would have to agree on that.

One thing i could add is that the Su-35 supposedly have longer or bigger leading-edge flaps over its preedecessors.
Hence more manuvereble both in close turn AoA and wide turn AoA..

As if not the Su-27 AoA was impressive on its own

Here is some source(0:28), Sergey Bogdan Su-35 Test pilot:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhvNVekTYSw&feature=related]YouTube - Su-35 fighter jet rocks the sky[/ame]



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[Haavarla]

Today's News


Air Force to Receive 50 Newest Su-35 Multirole Fighters before 2015

The Russian Federation defense ministry has adopted a decision to purchase 48 Su-35 multirole fighters for the air force, a highly placed representative of the Russian military authority reported, the Interfax agency reports.

"We are ordering 48 of the newest Su-35 fighters from the Sukhoy company. They will be adopted into the inventory before 2015. It is planned that deliveries will start as early as 2011," the agency source reported.

He noted that it is planned to announced the contract officially on one of the first days of the operation of the MAKS-2009 International Air and Space Salon which will take place from 18 through 23 August in the Moscow suburb of Zhukovskiy.

Source: 07.07.09, Avia.RU

Roy's Russian Aircraft Resource


Just can't wait untill MAKS-2009 gets under way!




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[Crusader2000]

Today's News


Air Force to Receive 50 Newest Su-35 Multirole Fighters before 2015

The Russian Federation defense ministry has adopted a decision to purchase 48 Su-35 multirole fighters for the air force, a highly placed representative of the Russian military authority reported, the Interfax agency reports.

"We are ordering 48 of the newest Su-35 fighters from the Sukhoy company. They will be adopted into the inventory before 2015. It is planned that deliveries will start as early as 2011," the agency source reported.

He noted that it is planned to announced the contract officially on one of the first days of the operation of the MAKS-2009 International Air and Space Salon which will take place from 18 through 23 August in the Moscow suburb of Zhukovskiy.

Source: 07.07.09, Avia.RU

Roy's Russian Aircraft Resource


Just can't wait untill MAKS-2009 gets under way!




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Well, we've heard similar claims for the past two years.............So, only time will tell. Of course I've always contended that if Russia ever did purchase Su-35's. It would be in small numbers only to spur the possibility of exporting the type.

 

[Haavarla]

Russia Air Force to buy $ 3 billion fighter jets

August 13, 2009

AVIA.RU – August 13, AVIA.RU - Contracts for the supply of fighters «Sukhoi» totaling nearly $ 3 billion will be signed shortly, writes the newspaper «Vedomosti».
This will be the largest supply of aircraft for all post-Soviet period, said the publication.

The current crisis is not the best time to enter into contracts for the supply of civil aviation, admitted Minister of Trade and Industry Viktor Khristenko, but this year for the first time was able to negotiate with the military on the procurement of large quantities of aircraft.
The first customer of modern Russian fighter Su-35 military aircraft will be Russia. State Contract for the supply of up to 2015 .48 Su-35 fighters, four Su-30M2 and 12 Su-27cm have been prepared for signing, said the publication of high-ranking official in the Defense Ministry.
Official representatives of «Sukhoi» Russia and the Air Force refused to comment on.

The cost of one Su-35 - more than $ 40 million, and the Su-27 and Su-30 - more than $ 30 million, but also by machines will be purchased and additional equipment with weapons, so the total contract value will reach $ 3 billion, said the publication.

Source:AVIA.RU - ?????????????? ????????? "?????????? ??????? ? ????????????"
Date:14.08.2009





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[Haavarla]

Contracts for the supply of Russian fighter Sukhoi yield nearly $ 3 billion


Contracts for the supply of fighter aircraft "Sukhoi" totaling nearly 3 billion dollars will be the main result of opening August 18, MAKS-2009 air show.This will be the largest supply of aircraft for all post-Soviet period.

The current crisis is not the best time to enter into contracts for the supply of civil aircraft in the open Max, confessed to reporters, Minister of Trade and Industry Viktor Khristenko, but this year for the first time was able to negotiate with the military on the procurement of large quantities of aircraft, writes the newspaper "Vedomosti".

The first customer of modern Russian fighter Su-35 military aircraft will be Russia. State Contract for the supply of up to 2015, 48 Su-35 fighters, four Su-30M2 and 12 Su-27cm ready for signing during the MAKS-2009 air show in Zhukovsky, a newspaper said a senior Defense Ministry official.

This is confirmed by the manager of the Joint engine Corporation, a subsidiary of the factory which produces engines for the fighters, as well as the manager of the company manufacturing them airborne equipment. Official representatives of Sukhoy of Russia and the Air Force refused to comment, said the publication.

The cost of one Su-35 - more than 40 million dollars, and Su-27 and Su-30 - more than 30 million dollars, but also by machines will be purchased and additional equipment with weapons, so the total contract value will reach 3 billion dollars, the Center evaluates expert analysis Strategies and Technologies, Konstantin Makiyenko.

Fixed price for the Su-35 will be set shortly, but in general, with a preliminary estimate of the transaction in 3 billion dollars, led "Official" opinion of the Ministry of Defense officials.

On the possibility of an additional procurement for the Air Force "over 60" new fighter aviation production in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, where do Su-27/30 plan to collect the Su-35, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said in May after a visit to that factory.

And in early July, already head the Air Force Zelina Alexander referred to the early signing of a five-year State Contract for the supply of two regiments of Su-35 (48 machines on the current state). The contract was prepared in record time, notes the official military.

Source:????????.Ru - ??????? ? ??????
Date:13.08.2009




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[Crusader2000]

Please, how many time do we have to hear "contracts will be signed shortly" or "Russia will order Su-35's soon" etc. etc. etc.




Same old song and dance..............nfloorl:


As a matter of fact just a few months back. Russia was going to build a fleet of Large Aircraft Carriers. Now, its not likely they could field one..........Unless, they're successful in running the price up so high on the ex-Gorshkov. That India finally gives up on deal???

 

[Haavarla]

Please, how many time do we have to hear "contracts will be signed shortly" or "Russia will order Su-35's soon" etc. etc. etc.




Same old song and dance..............nfloorl:


As a matter of fact just a few months back. Russia was going to build a fleet of Large Aircraft Carriers. Now, its not likely they could field one..........Unless, they're successful in running the price up so high on the ex-Gorshkov. That India finally gives up on deal???

MAKS 2009 are up shortly.
We'll see soon enough if any contract sign or not.


A fleet of Large A-carrier?

Never heard of it..
Do you have a link to this?





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[Crusader2000]

[

QUOTE=Haavarla;179578]MAKS 2009 are up shortly.
We'll see soon enough if any contract sign or not.

Hopefully, we will hear something official finally???

A fleet of Large A-carrier?

Never heard of it..
Do you have a link to this?

Oh, endless supply of sources............here's a couple.


Russia To Expand Naval Capabilities | 1913 Intel


Russia To Expand Naval Capabilities - Forbes.com

Report: Russia planning to build 6 carriers - Navy News, news from Iraq - Navy Times


Regardless, Russia can't seem to find the funds for its Submarine Fleet or even to purchase a small number of Su-35's. Until the arrival of the PAK-FA. So, building 5-6 Large Aircrafts is a dream at this point..........

 

[Haavarla]

"Russian Defense Ministry orders 64 Su-family fighters

MOSCOW, August 18 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian Defense Ministry and the Sukhoi aircraft maker signed on Tuesday a contract on the delivery of 64 Su fighters to the Russian Air Force.
The contract, signed during the MAKS-2009 air show in Zhukovsky near Moscow, stipulates the delivery of 48 Su-35 by 2015, and 12 Su-27SM and four Su-30M2 multirole fighters by 2011.

The value of the contract was not disclosed, but according to open sources, the cost of a Su-35 fighter, billed as "4++ generation using fifth-generation technology," is estimated at up to $65 million.

The head of Vnesheconombank (VEB), Vladimir Dmitriyev, announced at the air show on Tuesday that the national development bank would grant Sukhoi a 3.5 billion-ruble ($109 million) loan to start mass production of Su-35 jets.

The Su-35 fighter, powered by two 117S engines with thrust vectoring, combines high maneuverability and the capability to effectively engage several air targets simultaneously using both guided and unguided missiles and weapon systems.

The aircraft also features the new Irbis-E radar with a phased antenna array, which allows the pilot to detect and track up to 30 air targets, while simultaneously engaging up to eight targets.

It is equipped with a 30-mm cannon with 150 rounds, and can carry up to eight metric tons of combat payload on 12 external mounts.

Russia's Air Force commander, Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin, said in July that up to three air regiments would be equipped with Su-35 fighters in the future.

Russia also plans to export at least 160 Su-35 fighters to several countries including India, Malaysia and Algeria."


Russian Defense Ministry orders 64 Su-family fighters | Top Russian news and analysis online | 'RIA Novosti' newswire


I guess this is it then.
Two regiments of Su-35.
And perhaps one more later on.

Hopfully other nations will follow suite and order an
export version of the Su-35.

Maybe not this or next year, since KNAAPO will have their hands full.
But later on.



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[Scorpion82]

More interesting for me is why the RuAF orders 4 Su-30M2 and how they are configured, I would imaging they are similar to the Su-30MK2 and therefore Su-27SM.

 

[Haavarla]

More interesting for me is why the RuAF orders 4 Su-30M2 and how they are configured, I would imaging they are similar to the Su-30MK2 and therefore Su-27SM.

Yeah, that could mean 4 new Su-30UBs versions perhaps.
Cramming them with the very same avionics systems as the Su-35 versions.

I imagine they will get the latest 117-S engine as well.

Four advance mission trainers.. i don't know.

And the next 12 SMs, i wonder if they will get 117-S engine too?


Anyway, here are some awsome pics of the 901 at the MAKS 2009:

 

[Haavarla]

19:4018/08/2009

MOSCOW, August 18 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Defense Ministry and the Sukhoi aircraft maker signed on Tuesday a 80 billion ruble ($2.5 billion) contract, the Russian prime minister said.

Under the contract signed at the MAKS-2009 air show at Zhukovsky outside Moscow, the Russian Air Force will buy 48 Su-35S, 12 Su-27SM and four Su-30M2 fighter jets.

Vladimir Putin said the contract "sets a record in modern Russian history," adding that aircraft deliveries were to be completed by 2015.

He also said the Russian government would provide an additional $100 million to Sukhoi's capital from the federal budget.

The head of Vnesheconombank (VEB), Vladimir Dmitriyev, said the national development bank would grant Sukhoi a 3.5 billion-ruble ($109 million) loan to start production of Su-35 jets.

The Su-35 fighter, powered by two 117S engines with thrust vectoring, combines high maneuverability and the capability to effectively engage several targets simultaneously.

It is equipped with a 30-mm cannon with 150 rounds, and can carry up to eight metric tons of combat payload on 12 external mounts.

Russia's Air Force commander, Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin, said in July that up to three air regiments would be equipped with Su-35 fighters in the future.

Russia also plans to export at least 160 Su-35 fighters to several countries including India, Malaysia and Algeria.

Sukhoi signs record $2.5 bln deal with Russian defense ministry | Top Russian news and analysis online | 'RIA Novosti' newswire


I imagine there are happy faces at KNAAPO and others companies hearing this news






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[Crusader2000]

Well, it sounds official...............Like, I said before if Russia ever did purchase Su-35's. It would be a small number to spur export orders. Which, will be few at best. For example I don't see India purchasing Su-35's under any condition. As a matter of fact the odds are not good that India will select the Mig-35 for the MMRCA. Let alone Su-35's.......IMO


That said, its possible Russia may sell a few here or there...........

 

[Grand Danois]

Those 48 Su-35 will certainly help plug any "fighter gap" in the RuAF until the PAK-FA gets rolling off the lines come 2015-16.

 

[Crusader2000]

Those 48 Su-35 will certainly help plug any "fighter gap" in the RuAF until the PAK-FA gets rolling off the lines come 2015-16.

Yes, but how many re-built Su-27's could be had for the same price??? Further, the odds of selling many Su-35's on the export market is low at best....


Really, the Su-35 is an expensive stop-gap in my opinion......for little return!