Russia to get SU-35 by 2011

Haavarla

Active Member
Well, they are much less secretive than back in the Cold War Days. Regardless, my point is Russian has no reason to keep contracts/production of the Su-35 Secret. As it desperately needs to export it............


Oh come on.

The R&D in all the millitary aircraft industries are leading much of the very best development these days.. avionics, Engine and weapons.

Sure the Cold war are long gone, but if you think there's no more agents spying on each other.

And there have never been the same level of press covering of any stuff in the Russian millitary, oh same thing goes for China.

I guess the Russian like keep us on our toes as much as possible;)
 

S400

New Member
You must look beyond first order thinking and graduate to second order.

Do you seriously postulate that Russia will fight a war against NATO members?
What I seriously postulate is that the opportunity for limited conflict exists. Do you seriously believe there is zero chance of this happening? Because completely discounting the possibility would be sheer folly.

The two are directly related. Russian ambition stems out of capability.
I would add that it also stems from necessity. You mentioned the troubled global economy. Hmmm, the possibility of conflict, what could possibly make the illogical just a hair more logical? What was that thing that got the US economy back into some kind of order after this 'Great Depression' I keep hearing of in the news again? Do you see my thought process here?
 

Crusader2000

Banned Member
Oh come on.

The R&D in all the millitary aircraft industries are leading much of the very best development these days.. avionics, Engine and weapons.

Sure the Cold war are long gone, but if you think there's no more agents spying on each other.

And there have never been the same level of press covering of any stuff in the Russian millitary, oh same thing goes for China.

I guess the Russian like keep us on our toes as much as possible;)

What does any of that have to do with the price of Tea in China???
 

Feanor

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Staff member
Well, they are much less secretive than back in the Cold War Days. Regardless, my point is Russian has no reason to keep contracts/production of the Su-35 Secret. As it desperately needs to export it............
I suspect that the production lines won't be available for export for 2-3 years after serial production starts, at least. The production slots will be bought up by the MoD. This is what happened to the S-400 production line. This is why Russia is still export S-300PMU2, which come out of armed forces inventory (the long term storage part) and are then modernized.
 

Crusader2000

Banned Member
I suspect that the production lines won't be available for export for 2-3 years after serial production starts, at least. The production slots will be bought up by the MoD. This is what happened to the S-400 production line. This is why Russia is still export S-300PMU2, which come out of armed forces inventory (the long term storage part) and are then modernized.


Pure speculation.........
 

Feanor

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Staff member
Pure speculation.........
Yes. But speculation based on similar precedent and official statements. It also makes quite a bit of sense, as it would give time to work out all the bugs and any issues with the aircraft. It would also give Russia more time to find buyers. In any event, unless you have conclusive evidence that Russia does not intend to buy the Su-35 we are still left with the same set up. We have a statement of intent, and major development efforts to produce the Su-35BM. No information on a contract (or absence of one).
 

Crusader2000

Banned Member
Yes. But speculation based on similar precedent and official statements. It also makes quite a bit of sense, as it would give time to work out all the bugs and any issues with the aircraft. It would also give Russia more time to find buyers. In any event, unless you have conclusive evidence that Russia does not intend to buy the Su-35 we are still left with the same set up. We have a statement of intent, and major development efforts to produce the Su-35BM. No information on a contract (or absence of one).

Yet, I has to be produced to win any export orders. As of yet that has not happen...........time is working against the Su-35. As more mature 4.5 and 5th Generation Types enter service.
 

Haavarla

Active Member
Yet, I has to be produced to win any export orders. As of yet that has not happen...........time is working against the Su-35. As more mature 4.5 and 5th Generation Types enter service.
Sukhoi have stated that there will be only one more prototype before series prod begin.
And that there will be conducted some total 150-160 test flight on all 3 prototype.

What happens when all those test flight are completed?

Perhaps the "901" will be use as a demonstrator, and will show up in some airshows in 2009 and 1010..
And after a quick shakedown the "902" and "903" will be reinserted as the two first series production of Su-35..
After all they have a full mission complement acording to KNAAPO sources.

Of course only speculation...:)
 

Crusader2000

Banned Member
Sukhoi have stated that there will be only one more prototype before series prod begin.
And that there will be conducted some total 150-160 test flight on all 3 prototype.

What happens when all those test flight are completed?

Perhaps the "901" will be use as a demonstrator, and will show up in some airshows in 2009 and 1010..
And after a quick shakedown the "902" and "903" will be reinserted as the two first series production of Su-35..
After all they have a full mission complement acording to KNAAPO sources.

Of course only speculation...:)


Means litte what Sukhoi says...............the Russian Government is paying the bill.
 

Haavarla

Active Member
Means litte what Sukhoi says...............the Russian Government is paying the bill.


If we look back at history, Sukhoi and RuAF did a pretty good job on keeping the Su-27 away from any western public and foreign agencys.

That was until 1989, International Paris Air Show.....:D


Perhaps Sukhoi will turn up at LE Bourget with a Su-35 Demonstrator there this year..



Hey, speculation is fun!:)
 

Feanor

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Staff member
What I seriously postulate is that the opportunity for limited conflict exists. Do you seriously believe there is zero chance of this happening? Because completely discounting the possibility would be sheer folly.
I think it is highly unlikely.

I would add that it also stems from necessity. You mentioned the troubled global economy. Hmmm, the possibility of conflict, what could possibly make the illogical just a hair more logical? What was that thing that got the US economy back into some kind of order after this 'Great Depression' I keep hearing of in the news again? Do you see my thought process here?
I do indeed. Consider when 5th generation threats appear near Russia. The earliest ones will be the F-35. When does it enter squadron service en-masse across Europe? 5-10 year timeframe. It's not coincidental that Russia plans to enter the PAK-FA into service around the same time.
 

Haavarla

Active Member
I think it is highly unlikely.



I do indeed. Consider when 5th generation threats appear near Russia. The earliest ones will be the F-35. When does it enter squadron service en-masse across Europe? 5-10 year timeframe. It's not coincidental that Russia plans to enter the PAK-FA into service around the same time.

Thats right, Norway plan to receive F-35 in 2016-2018. Could be later before we get a full operational regiment.
 

Haavarla

Active Member
Su-35 Flanker made its 100th flight




Dated 23/3/2009
The Su-35 multi-role super-maneuverable fighter made its 100th flight during which they conducted final tests of the flight control system.

In February 2008 “Sukhoi Company” started Su-35 flight tests. The Su-35 fighter made its first flight at the airfield of Flight Scientific Research Institute named after Gromov in Zhukovsky near Moscow. The second aircraft took the air in October in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. For a year they finished the prototype’s static tests in achieving limited modes while testing and approving the aircraft flight performance. During tests they confirmed stability characteristics, worked out the integrated control system, and other aircraft systems and navigation equipment.

In the second quarter of 2009 one more aircraft is planned to join in and bring the number of flights up to 150-160 on three fighters. It is supposed to finish static tests and start the supermaneuverability mode testing.

The Su-35 testing program progress confirms the previously announced terms of the fighters batch deliveries to Russian and foreign customers scheduled on 2011.

The Su-35 fighters entering the Russian AF service will favor this country’s defense potential and permits “Sukhoi Company” to maintain its competitiveness in the world market until the 5th generation aviation systems enter the market. The Su-35s are planned for delivery to some countries of Southeast Asia, Africa, Middle East, and South America.

Su-35 is a profound modernized multi-role super-maneuverable fighter of “4++”- generation. At Su-35 development a lot of 5th-generation-fighter technologies were used that put Su-35 ahead of fighters under development and production in the world. The new fighter boasts of the up-to-date avionics based on digital information-management system integrating onboard equipment and systems, a new phased array radar providing long ranges of aerial targets detection with the increased number of simultaneously tracked and attacked targets; new TVC-engines with enhanced thrust

India_Defence.com


Anyone heard any news on the Supercruise performance on the Su-35??








Thanks
 

Haavarla

Active Member
New pic's of the Su-35!

Looks awsome:)

Those 117S engines screams: Sureplus power at you;)


The '902' also appears to have a significantly better build quality than '901'!

Anybody?


Thanks
 
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Haavarla

Active Member
What do you mean by better build quality?
Take a peek at Airliners.net i believe u'll find several new hi-res pic's of the Su-35 bort 901, 902.

What i mean is that the surface of the 902 looks smoother/ better built than the 901.
Could be better painting/caoting applied though..
 

Haavarla

Active Member
Take a peek at Airliners.net i believe u'll find several new hi-res pic's of the Su-35 bort 901, 902.

What i mean is that the surface of the 902 looks smoother/ better built than the 901.
Could be better painting/caoting applied though..

The inside of the 902 cockpit looks like it has a new couting applied as well.
See pic!



The 902 117S Engine compartment looks a bit difference than the 901..


As to be espected, the 902 comes with several improvments over the 901.
The 903 will probebly have all the goodies or very close too the productions series.
 
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