Piro and Utkin dead. Who is next? I wonder how long it takes for Surovikin to have a heart attack or a stroke.
They let old Piro meet a bunch of the African delegation in the last couple of months, maybe Putin convinced him he was safe and he still had his uses and the poor bugger let his guard down. This was inevitable.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/15z9o53
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/15zae2c
Some chatter that the trail of smoke in the second video is proof of the missile that took out the plane. Maybe someone here more knowledgable can confirm if that is true.
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Lol antoher mutiny threat, with what? Their leaders are dead and mostt of their heavy equipment was seized. FSB has the names of the lower level commanders as well, dont see much in their future.
Ok, nothing is certain at the moment as I write this. All of the Russian sources that claim that Prigozhin et al., have fallen off their perch, died, deceased, met their maker, departed this mortal coil etc., are not known for their strong association with facts. So less of the fanciful speculation would be appreciated. There are far more unknowns than knowns in this case and we should just be careful with what we do know and what we don't know.
Here a link to a video of the crashed Embraer Legacy.
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Theoretically it can be an accident, but the circumstances make it very suspicious.
If it was really a liquidation, than it wasn't done in a subtile way. Some witnesses report about explosions before the crash, like some kind of air defence system was activated.
Why does it have to be subtle? If it's to subtle the desired message doesn't get out and the message is the one that Putin will want to be driven home. That's if he was indeed the one who ordered this liquidation.
Something happened behind the scenes with Surovikin that we don't know.
Yes, I concur and we have problems because there's a significant amount that we don't know. Putin's govt, like an authoritarian dictatorship, is very good at hiding the nice juicy details. In fact Putin's govt is very good at keeping the juicy stuff hidden and murky.
For sure. Any ideas/guesses on what went on?
What would you like? For all we know it could be the Illuminati, Klingons, or the Borg. We just don't know and guessing won't achieve anything.
Not an accident, a warning to others.
That is distinctly a possibility, but not the only one.
Sadly, Prig. died from window cancer heart attack Tea poisoning being blatantly shot down by RU AD.
Ah, but do we actually know that There is more than one logical possibility for this.
Every scenario from Pure Accident, Accidents in Making or even part of self disappearing are actually can happen. This is Russia afterall.
Agree.
If I'm Prigo, self disapearing to Niger can be attractive options. I'm bit skeptical Putin want to send AA Missiles to Prigo's jet. Too obvious, unless his circle believes blatant massage is preferable. Still not doing too much effect now days.
It would not surprise me if Putin did this because it would get his message across loud and clear. Anyone who betrays him, no matter who they are, will suffer the consequences.
Seems like explosives on board would be the logical choice, no?
No, because the Wagner Security people would have checked the aircraft for any unknown explosives. It's standard security operating procedure.