Russia Flexes its Muscles

kato

The Bunker Group
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Ehm taurus costs a bit too much to be wasted on a few T80 MBTs...
I guess Tiger helos can fill part of the capability gap though

cheers
Taurus fills the role against airfield structures.

There's a rather strict border between roles between the German Luftwaffe and the Heer. Heer uses its helos (PAH-1 Bo-105M, and now PAH-2 Tiger) against tanks, the Luftwaffe would only go after tank formations if they present convenient area targets.

It's not really considered a capability gap by the Bundeswehr (unlike more outlandish stuff like TBMD).
 

contedicavour

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Taurus fills the role against airfield structures.

There's a rather strict border between roles between the German Luftwaffe and the Heer. Heer uses its helos (PAH-1 Bo-105M, and now PAH-2 Tiger) against tanks, the Luftwaffe would only go after tank formations if they present convenient area targets.

It's not really considered a capability gap by the Bundeswehr (unlike more outlandish stuff like TBMD).
Close air support in itself seems almost dead if I get it right ?? I'm not comfortable with that... we're updating 50 or so AMX (to ACOL standard) in order to have CAS dedicated light fighterbombers.

cheers
 

swerve

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Close air support in itself seems almost dead if I get it right ?? I'm not comfortable with that... we're updating 50 or so AMX (to ACOL standard) in order to have CAS dedicated light fighterbombers.

cheers
Would be perfect in Afghanistan. A pity they aren't there.
 

kato

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Close air support in itself seems almost dead if I get it right ??
Germany ditched the fixed-wing CAS role when we got rid of the 168 relatively new remaining Alpha Jets in 1993 (which had only replaced the Fiat Ginas 15 years earlier).
The result was a - not officially recognized - capability gap in light/medium CAS, other than against tanks (the 200+ then-upgraded PAH-1A1 could take care of those still).
 

Waylander

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Weren't there some packages which replaced the HOT rails on the PAH-1s with HMGs and rocket pods?
Or were these just studies?
 

kato

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Weren't there some packages which replaced the HOT rails on the PAH-1s with HMGs and rocket pods?
Or were these just studies?
Not used on any German variants. Only upgraded export variants.

German variants were:

PAH-1 (6x HOT-1, anti-tank helo)
PAH-1A1 (6x HOT-2, modified launch rails)
BSH-1 (4x Stinger, planned escort version, plan scrapped in 1989)
VBH (unarmed, liaison helo)
 

kato

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For the sake of completeness:

There are options for the standard-production Bo-105C, Bo-105CB and Bo-105CBS. These, depending on program, were usually mixes or pairs of:
  • 28-round 50mm rocket launchers
  • 12-/22-round 68mm rocket launchers
  • 7-/12-round 70mm rocket launchers
  • 7.62mm/.50cal machine guns
  • twin Stinger pods
  • twin/quad TOW pods
  • twin Hellfire pods

These armed variants are in use by e.g. the Sudanese Police, the South Korean Army, and the Mexican Army.

The German PAH-1 afaik were never considered for this kind of armament.
 

dave_kiwi

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Latest Russian Airforce Exercise

From the Sydney Morning Herald:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Russian-bombers-run-Arctic-exercise/2007/09/03/1188783154965.html

Quote: Twelve Russian strategic bombers will take part in an Arctic exercise over the next two days including tactical launches of cruise missiles, an air force spokesman said

Interesting :) Looks like the Artic will see more and more of this sort of acivity. The Danes and Canadians are proceeding with their own "flag waving" activities as well .. wonder how the US sees all of this ? ... possible reactions ?
 

Salty Dog

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Russian Military Faces Growing Budget, Constrained Bandwidth

One analyst shop views increased spending for Russian Defense, albeit the rate of decline of Russian high-tech industries may underscore Russia's ability to support this procurement. Noteworthy is the budget reduction allocated to RDT&E. Money will indeed be spent, however, not a bright forecast for Russian defense industry (to deliver on time at cost) or it's overseas customers.

Russian Military Faces Growing Budget, Constrained Bandwidth

(Source: Forecast International; issued May 5, 2008)

NEWTOWN, Conn. --- In 10 years, Russia's national defense spending has risen by more than 965 percent as its military renews strategic air patrols, reasserts its interests throughout the former Soviet space, and actively pushes back against competing security interests from the U.S. and Europe.

Last year, Russian national defense spending surpassed $32 billion, compared with less than $3 billion in 1998. Looking forward, Russian defense spending is expected to trend upward; however, Moscow's strategic bandwidth may be constrained by a confluence of defense economic factors.

Forecast International projects that between 2008 and 2012, Russia will spend approximately $294 billion on national defense. This projection is rooted in Russia's amended three-year national defense budget, which allocates RUB959 billion ($37.5 billion) in 2008, RUB1.06 trillion ($41.5 billion) in 2009, and RUB1.92 billion ($46.6 billion) in 2010. In the outyears of 2011 and 2012, Russian defense spending is projected to reach $53 billion and $61 billion, respectively.

"Three major trends will define Russian defense spending between 2008 and 2012," notes Matt Ritchie, an analyst specializing in Eurasian defense economics, "increased procurement, increased funding for strategic arms, and a relative decline in research and development." These trends are already being manifested in the national defense budget for 2008 to 2010. Procurement spending is set to increase from $27 billion to over $36 billion, funding for the strategic arsenal to expand from $675 million to $990 million, and allocations for applied research and development to decline from just over $5 billion to less than $4.9 billion.

The shifting trends in defense spending align with Russia's evolving strategic priorities. "Russia's quantitative military advantage has enabled it to push its interests throughout its perceived sphere of influence," suggests Ritchie. "The Kremlin is keen to consolidate these gains and its current level of geopolitical influence, an interest that is driving its acquisition of new military systems (conventional and strategic) in an effort to expand this capability with a qualitative edge."

However, with Russia's power projection capabilities increasingly linked to its national defense budget, a number of defense economic factors threatening the budget's efficacy may undercut Moscow's ability to leverage its influence. Between 2008 and 2010, the share of the national defense budget devoted to procurement is expected to increase from approximately 72 percent to 80 percent, thus placing greater importance on the Russian defense-industrial base to deliver systems at cost and on time – an unlikely probability.

"As Russia attempts to procure its next generation of military systems, it will run up against the same cost overrun and time delay obstacles faced by Western contractors. Moreover, these issues are likely to be exacerbated by the rate of decline in the high-tech sectors of the Russian defense-industrial base," says Ritchie. Similar conclusions have been drawn by officials in the Russian defense industry.

The paramount issue in Russian defense economics is the extent to which the procurement-driven defense budget expansion will offset long-term underinvestment in the defense-industrial base. Ultimately how this dynamic influences Russia's ability to maintain its current level of strategic bandwidth will determine its geopolitical influence in the future.


Forecast International, Inc., is a leading provider of Market Intelligence and Analysis in the areas of aerospace, defense, power systems and military electronics. Based in Newtown, Conn., USA, Forecast International specializes in long-range industry forecasts and market assessments used by strategic planners, marketing professionals, military organizations, and governments worldwide.
 
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