RSN capabilities

[RA1911]

It's always been more or less a formality, but the Norwegian ministry of defence has now signed a contract with Kongsberg for delivery of this missile to the Nansen Frigates and Skjold Patrol Boats.The NSM will thus now go into production.

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KDA's successor to the penguin will be the Naval Strike Missile (NSM), scheduled to be offered from 2007 onwards. NSM will feature an imaging IR-seeker, GPS navigation, a turbojet sustainer engine (for much longer ranges: 150+ km), and significantly more computer performance and digital signal processing power.

NSM is the only fourth generation missile in existence as per today. Already chosen by the Royal Norwegian Navy for its new Frigates and fast Patrol Boats, NSM will be fully operational on these new ships when they enter service in 2007.

Modern warhead ensures effectiveness equal to a much larger missile.
Weight: approx. 400 kg.
Range: in excess of 150 km.
Platforms: Ships, trucks, armoured vehicles, and airborne weapon carriers.
Designed for littoral waters as well as open sea scenarios. (The advanced design allows the missile to fly around and over landmasses.)

Made of composites, the NSM will be the world's most sophisticated stealth strike missile. Advanced design technology has minimised the missile's signature. Its excellent sea-skimming ability and random manouvres in the terminal phase make it virtually impossible to stop. The imaging infrared seeker is completely passive. Target selection is at the forefront of new technology. That provides NSM with a substantial capacity for autonomous detection and recognition of targets - at sea or on land.


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[Red]

any news on the Gotland-class SSKs ??

..Will be commisioned by 2010 by the RSN. They will be tropicalised and equipped with AIP. Initially, it was mentioned that the Västergötlands `will' be replacing 2 of the Challenger class submarines. But in an interview with the Straits Times, Singapore`s Chief of navy said that they will `consider' replacing them with the Västergötlands when the latter subs are ready(Straits Times May 5 2007). Change of heart? I think what he is saying the the challengers would probably be in the water for a while more while the RSN buys new submarines which I hope will be the A6. So 4 A6 +2 Västergötlands. The Västergötlands will be replaced by 2 more A6s later. Makes sense.

 

[weasel1962]

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[gary1910]

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any news on the Gotland-class SSKs ??

there was talk about an improved-variant of gotland of being built

what happened to that ??

You mean the Västergötland , I presume.
I believe "Red" has answered your qn.

As for new SSK RSN is looking at , here a brief summary:

Initially, it was the multinational Viking program, which SG held an observer status, but the program was cancelled due to most of the participants pulled out.

Later, the Swede decided to go ahead with their own version called the A26, the next generation of Kockum SSK.

It was also reported that 3 nations are involved in this program as observers, one of them rumoured to be SG.

I believe when A26 comes into being, it will most likely the replacement for the rest of the Challenger class in RSN.

 

[weasel1962]

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[Red]

3D renderings of the Formidable class frigate plus "fitted for but not with" areas for more weapon systems, etc. Conceivably, the RSN, similar to her other ships, would be upgrading and putting more stuffs on the Formidable class warships in the future;


http://www.the3dstudio.com/product_details.aspx?id_product=34596

 

[SGMilitary]

Does anyone have any detailed information on the weapon suite of RSS

Formidable frigates?

Is it true that these frigates are armed with naval remote weapon system

with a combination of 30mmguns/Mistral IR?

Will the RSN upgrades its 4 Landsort 47 MCMV especially its Bofors Y gun?

Will they augment the MCMV squadron with Landsort 52?

Are there plans to procure more S70B helis, stealth frigates and at least two

Landing Helicopter Dock?

Please advised.

Thanks and regards.

 

[SGMilitary]

Update on RSN Formidable Class Frigates

There is an article in WIKIPEDIA.COM, featured in Republic of Singapore Navy section.

It was stated that the RSN had received 4 of the 12 Sylver A-43 launchers and 300 Aster 15 missile. The article also mentioned that the RSN is procuring additional 12 Sylver launchers, probably A-50 launchers to accomodate Aster 30 missiles.
If this deal materialise, does that means the RSN will eventually operate the European PAAMS on Formidable class frigates?
Does anyone have detailed information on this article?
Please visit www.wikipedia.com and select Singapore Military, zoom in to Republic of Singapore Navy.

Thanks!


Best Regards.

 

[contedicavour]

There is an article in WIKIPEDIA.COM, featured in Republic of Singapore Navy section.

It was stated that the RSN had received 4 of the 12 Sylver A-43 launchers and 300 Aster 15 missile. The article also mentioned that the RSN is procuring additional 12 Sylver launchers, probably A-50 launchers to accomodate Aster 30 missiles.
If this deal materialise, does that means the RSN will eventually operate the European PAAMS on Formidable class frigates?
Does anyone have detailed information on this article?
Please visit www.wikipedia.com and select Singapore Military, zoom in to Republic of Singapore Navy.

Thanks!


Best Regards.

Technically yes they will be able to launch Aster 30, though not at their maximum range because there's no long range air search radar. Currently Herakles and Arabel radars are limited to a range of approx 150km against small jets, which is a bit tight vs the 120km range of an Aster 30.
Fincantieri is working on active phased array version of EMPAR capable of a range of up to 250km. This should be enough to leverage properly the Aster 30. Care to change radar ?

cheers

 

[kotay]

What is the possibility of an integrated AEW system providing
i) Tracking and targeting data to the launch platform (in this case the Formidable)
ii) Mid course corrections?

Just exploring technical possibilities ...

 

[weasel1962]

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[Spacearrow99]

Technically yes they will be able to launch Aster 30, though not at their maximum range because there's no long range air search radar. Currently Herakles and Arabel radars are limited to a range of approx 150km against small jets, which is a bit tight vs the 120km range of an Aster 30.

The official range is 250Km, how do you know the range of the Herakles against small jets?

 

[SGMilitary]

Dear All,

Does anyone have any updates on the RSN Formidable Frigates?

It is likely that the RSN will equip these frigates with A-50 vl/Aster 30 missile?

Please refer to the link below:

1. go to www.wikipedia.com, search for phased array
refer to the following article:
Likewise, the Thales Herakles phased array multi-function radar onboard the Formidable class frigates of the Republic of Singapore Navy has a track capacity of 200 targets and is able to achieve automatic target detection, confirmation and track initiation in a single scan, while simultaneously providing mid-course guidance updates to the MBDA Aster missiles launched from the ship.[5]
The article mentioned Aster missile and not exactly Aster 15.

refer to article of the Aegis SPY1 radar:
The AN/SPY-1 phased array radar, part of the Aegis combat system deployed on modern U.S. cruisers and destroyers, "is able to perform search, track and missile guidance functions simultaneously with a capability of over 100 targets."[4]
Post your views gentlemen, it is most likely the Aster 30 will be procured.

Cheers!

Best Regards

 

[contedicavour]

Dear All,

Does anyone have any updates on the RSN Formidable Frigates?

It is likely that the RSN will equip these frigates with A-50 vl/Aster 30 missile?

Please refer to the link below:

1. go to www.wikipedia.com, search for phased array
refer to the following article:
Likewise, the Thales Herakles phased array multi-function radar onboard the Formidable class frigates of the Republic of Singapore Navy has a track capacity of 200 targets and is able to achieve automatic target detection, confirmation and track initiation in a single scan, while simultaneously providing mid-course guidance updates to the MBDA Aster missiles launched from the ship.[5]
The article mentioned Aster missile and not exactly Aster 15.

refer to article of the Aegis SPY1 radar:
The AN/SPY-1 phased array radar, part of the Aegis combat system deployed on modern U.S. cruisers and destroyers, "is able to perform search, track and missile guidance functions simultaneously with a capability of over 100 targets."[4]
Post your views gentlemen, it is most likely the Aster 30 will be procured.

Cheers!

Best Regards

The Herakles can guide the Aster 30s but since it would spot incoming jets (of the size of a MIG29, say) at maximum 150km it would not be able to exploit properly the full 120km range of the Aster 30.
Same for current EMPAR. That's why Finmeccanica developed a ESD version with active array and longer range, to ensure the ship can leverage Aster30 to full range without a long range 3d air search radar.
So, yes I would expect the RSN to take the Aster 30s after all, but the ship would not have the same AAW capability of Daring or Horizon DDGs or even ESD variant of FREMMs. Still much better than only having the Aster 15s

cheers

 

[Spacearrow99]

The Herakles can guide the Aster 30s but since it would spot incoming jets (of the size of a MIG29, say) at maximum 150km it would not be able to exploit properly the full 120km range of the Aster 30.
Same for current EMPAR. That's why Finmeccanica developed a ESD version with active array and longer range, to ensure the ship can leverage Aster30 to full range without a long range 3d air search radar.
So, yes I would expect the RSN to take the Aster 30s after all, but the ship would not have the same AAW capability of Daring or Horizon DDGs or even ESD variant of FREMMs. Still much better than only having the Aster 15s

cheers

The Italian and French Navies have different doctrines. The MN needs more major surface combatants than the MM. The French FREMMs will be much cheaper than the Italian FREMMs. The French FREMMs short range AAW capabilities are very good. There medium range AAW capabilities are unknown at this time.

 

[weasel1962]

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[contedicavour]

Source of 150km pls. I hate to think that this is solely on the basis of an anonymous wiki post eg A50 acquisition.

Nothing to do with wikipedia... Thales claims 250km max range for Herakles (ie against a civilian airliner or a cold war vintage bomber). Finmeccanica claims 250km for the current EMPAR (much more for the new active phased array being prepared for 2011). Against a Tornado IDS flying low (< 500ft) range is 150km. So I presume the real range against a modern fighterbomber is 150km for Herakles as well.
By the way, it makes sense : otherwise why would the navy bother installing long range air search radar to fully utilize Aster 30 potential (range 120km) if Herakles and current Empar were already capable of reaching 250km range ??

cheers

 

[weasel1962]

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[SGMilitary]

Any personnel from RSN or MBDA around?

It is affirmative that the RSN will be fitting the Aster 30/A50 VL on board

her stealth frigates?

And are you guys aware that the Israeli made EL 2238 STAR radar on board

the RSN LST are also advanced radar?

Cheers!

Thanks & regards.

 

[weasel1962]

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