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recce.k1

recce.k1

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MrConservative said:
Another good point in Little's cap is that he has not played partisan activist politics over the intelligence services and is holding the line in that policy area over the Alliance faction who have taken over quite a few of the electorate branches in the last 5 years. And he is also showing disinterest in having the Greens anywhere near that select committee.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/han...ntelligence-and-security-committee-membership

The above is an interesting read from Hansard.
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Thanks, that was an interesting read. Labour's Little, Shearer and King generally made their cases well (it's a pity Shearer since decided to quit politics and would rather face tremendous uncertainty and potentially death with the UN in Sudan again! But I guess he felt he could do more good work there than have to deal with the shenanigans here and have to put up with the Greens' toxic mix of naivety and outrage - I shall say no more about them, apart from why is Kennedy Graham wasting his time with that lot)!

The other intriguing thing exposed yet again is supposedly pro-defence and pro-intelligence services, conservative NZ First, how it throw's its toys out of the cot when it doesn't get their way (and by voting lockstep with the Greens, their "arch enemies", over these two Intelligence and Security Committee motions) simply to spite the Govt, mind you to be fair to their MP's I guess they too would figure out that it is probably safer to be in the dustbowls and anarchy of Sudan (alongside Shearer) rather than endure the wrath of their leader (and expulsion) if they dared to offer some common-sense by not always totally agreeing with dear leader!

(In terms of my own biases I have at times voted Lab, Nat & NZF, so hopefully that means I can criticise them without appearing too partisan)!
 
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MrConservative said:
FVEY's is essentially these days an umbrella term that covers the 5 partnership nations relationships involving a number of specific intelligence and security groups including protocols and technicals.

To give you an idea of its significance in terms of international politics our FVEY membership was at the heart of the reason why NZ was inside the first 15 nations that had formal calls from Mr Trump - well ahead of some major regional powers.

And the morons in our so called media thought it was because the Don was a big Bob Charles fan ....
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Thanks I see that the geo-political side is important.
 
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recce.k1 said:
I shall say no more about them, apart from why is Kennedy Graham wasting his time with that lot)!
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Old Kennedy Montrose Graham eh - that weird and ironic mix of high tory born to rule accent with radical green message. Did he fall off a Polo pony as a young man and get knocked silly?

recce.k1 said:
The other intriguing thing exposed yet again is supposedly pro-defence and pro-intelligence services, conservative NZ First, how it throw's its toys out of the cot when it doesn't get their way (and by voting lockstep with the Greens, their "arch enemies", over these two Intelligence and Security Committee motions) simply to spite the Govt, mind you to be fair to their MP's I guess they too would figure out that it is probably safer to be in the dustbowls and anarchy of Sudan (alongside Shearer) rather than endure the wrath of their leader (and expulsion) if they dared to offer some common-sense by not always totally agreeing with dear leader!
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I think the Govt is probably waiting until Shane Jones gets back in - he is the only one remotely 'smart' and 'trusted' enough to get on that particular select committee.

Shearer is a good guy. Out of the 5 opposition leaders who came up against Key he was the most genuine and likeable - the timing was all wrong for him. Solidly centrist whilst his party being over taken at the grass roots level by the hard left Alliance faction taking over, inept party president leadership at the time and NZ's B grade version of Kevin Rudd undermining him. Plus up against Key - it was never going to work out.
 
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Ok, still begs the question, why did govt turn down singapore in the past then? Arent they considered a close ally, given our history?
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Very close ally and we of course had 1 RNZIR up there until 1989.

All we can do is speculate KP. Was an approach rebuffed post 2001 through to 2008 and the last thing the GOTD wanted was F-16's of any description based at OH? Who knows?
 
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Looking at the recent Navy Today, as posted in the Navy thread, and a nice little mention about the use of a Scan Eagle from HMNZS Wellington while on southern patrol. Article states the RPAS was operated by Insitu Australia.

Hopefully this will become a more common embarked element. Scan Eagle and a rotary RPAS like S100 or Skeldar would offer much to the survellance ability of the OPV's.
 
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His next article would probably be about regional decline and the lack of jobs and infrastructure! And why the govt isnt doing anything,in contrast to this solution.
 
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KH-12

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MrConservative said:
Brian Rudman: Hosting fighter jets tantamount to painting a target on Ohakea - Opinion - NZ Herald News

This is how a raving old left lunatic Journo see's a Singaporean basing arrangement at OH.

No wonder Ad revenues and readership at that horrid rag is plummeting.
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I suspect that his perspective is hardly representative of a wider NZ (thankfully) and I would say support in the Manawatu region would be particularly strong for such a development, the base improvements alone would generate considerable economic benefit for the area, I am however worried about encountering low flying F15's while flying around the central plateau area ! Would be a great benefit to our DF to get some exposure to fast jets in a working environment.
 
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Novascotiaboy said:
Looking at the recent Navy Today, as posted in the Navy thread, and a nice little mention about the use of a Scan Eagle from HMNZS Wellington while on southern patrol. Article states the RPAS was operated by Insitu Australia.

Hopefully this will become a more common embarked element. Scan Eagle and a rotary RPAS like S100 or Skeldar would offer much to the survellance ability of the OPV's.
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You have been required to withdraw remarks and apologise to Alexsa. The requirement has to be met in public on this thread. This has not happened yet. You have until 00:01 3 March 2017 UTC (GMT) to comply. Failure to do so is not an option.
 
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ngatimozart said:
You have been required to withdraw remarks and apologise to Alexsa. The requirement has to be met in public on this thread. This has not happened yet. You have until 00:01 3 March 2017 UTC (GMT) to comply. Failure to do so is not an option.
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NG, don't want to step on your toes but looking at that post in question, what's wrong with it?

Looking at the recent Navy Today, as posted in the Navy thread, and a nice little mention about the use of a Scan Eagle from HMNZS Wellington while on southern patrol. Article states the RPAS was operated by Insitu Australia.

Hopefully this will become a more common embarked element. Scan Eagle and a rotary RPAS like S100 or Skeldar would offer much to the survellance ability of the OPV's.
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Another player in the FASC. SAAB has proposed its Swordfish solution based on the Challenger Global G6000 airframe. The Swordfish doesn't meet all the sensor and computing requirements, there would be issues with compatibility with the Aussies / US / UK / Canucks and lack of synergies with the FAMC.

AVALON: Saab pushes Swordfish MPA for New Zealand
 
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KH-12 said:
I suspect that his perspective is hardly representative of a wider NZ (thankfully) and I would say support in the Manawatu region would be particularly strong for such a development, the base improvements alone would generate considerable economic benefit for the area, I am however worried about encountering low flying F15's while flying around the central plateau area ! Would be a great benefit to our DF to get some exposure to fast jets in a working environment.
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You got me thinking about the possibility of a NZ version of Mach Loop...I would travel there for that sort of photo op with F-15s :D
 
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Rob c

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KH-12 said:
I suspect that his perspective is hardly representative of a wider NZ (thankfully) and I would say support in the Manawatu region would be particularly strong for such a development, the base improvements alone would generate considerable economic benefit for the area, I am however worried about encountering low flying F15's while flying around the central plateau area ! Would be a great benefit to our DF to get some exposure to fast jets in a working environment.
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On the low flying problem .I assume they would return to the old system or something similar, were designated published low fly routes were available, changing according to the day of the week and general aviation was excluded during the time the route was open.
If the SAF F15's come about the 500 personnel and families will be interesting as the amount of defence housing sold off at Bulls in recent years has reduced the stock significantly. could be slightly embarrassing.
 
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Clueless said:
You got me thinking about the possibility of a NZ version of Mach Loop...I would travel there for that sort of photo op with F-15s :D
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In the South Island amongst real mountains. Not those hills that the Poms and Aussies think are mountains :) :) Sorry couldn't resist that. They have hummocks in Auckland they call mountains too - biggest oxymoron since somebody put pollie and truth in same sentence :D

I'm a true South Islander.
 
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