Todjaeger
Potstirrer
I must work with 'Abnormal' engineers then, as they neither design and build things that work, or design and build things so people can use the things.
Royal Canadian Navy Discussions and updates
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OldTex
Well-Known Member
No, just failed engineers
Todjaeger
Potstirrer
I would not call them failed engineers, as they keep showing up at work (and being let into a FTZ at that) so presumably they are still receiving a paycheque.
We are at present looking to hire a team of midget electricians with three elbows on each arm, one of which can bend in the opposite direction to the others. Failing that, we have no idea how we are going to install the replacement electrical cabinets that are on order.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Steel has been cut for the first CCG AOPS as the navy build nears completion (6 vessels). The coast guard will get two AOPS. With export orders unlikely hopefully the CSC will get under way as the final AOPS nears completion.
www.navaltoday.com
Irving Shipbuilding cuts steel for Canadian Coast Guard's 1st AOPS
Irving Shipbuilding has cut steel for the seventh Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship (AOPS), the first of two for the Canadian Coast Guard’s fleet.
www.navaltoday.com
Investments coming to Irving Shipyard. Hopefully the CSC project will start construction soon after.
" This investment will enhance the efficiency of ship construction while improving project costs and delivering best value for Canadians. "
"...will expand and modify their site and facilities at the Halifax Shipyard and supporting facilities at Woodside Industries and Marine Fabricators in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia. "
Canada is Providing $463M in Funding to Irving Shipbuilding for Upgrades to the Halifax Shipyard
" This investment will enhance the efficiency of ship construction while improving project costs and delivering best value for Canadians. "
"...will expand and modify their site and facilities at the Halifax Shipyard and supporting facilities at Woodside Industries and Marine Fabricators in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia. "
Canada is Providing $463M in Funding to Irving Shipbuilding for Upgrades to the Halifax Shipyard
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Curious to know what and where the upgrades will be. The Halifax location seems to be limited space wise so perhaps Dartmouth is the major beneficiary although some expensive lift upgrade to the Halifax location would require a big chunk of the money.
As would I. At least things are slowly moving forward. Not fast enough in my eyes, but its still moving forward and not cancelled yet.
Hmmm...
What about deepening the berths / taking up more waterfront / piling & laying foundations, to strengthen the ground, in preparation for building new hardstands / expanding the footprint of the shipyard ?
HaroldBloggins
Member
The upgrades will be filling in 12 hectares of the harbor, building another syncrolift, upgrading the assembly hall and upgrading the Irving fabrication facilities across the harbor.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
The fourth AOPS has been delivered to the RCN a couple of months early. Looking forward to the start of CSC builds once all AOPS near completion.
www.navalnews.com
Fourth AOPS delivered early to the Royal Canadian Navy - Naval News
August 31 marked the official delivery of HMCS William Hall, Canada’s fourth Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship AOPS to the Royal Canadian Navy.
www.navalnews.com
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Cellula is testing its new XLUUV off the BC coast. Not a RCN acquisition….yet. It is powered by a hydrogen fuel cell.
www.navalnews.com
Cellula Robotics Initiates Sea Trials of its Solus-XR XLUUV - Naval News
On Aug. 30, 2023, Canadian marine technology company Cellula Robotics Ltd. announced the start of sea trials of the Solus- XR XLUUV.
www.navalnews.com
Saw this report & thought it was worthy of placing the link here, to instigate some 'discussion'.
(Note - DISCUSSION - NOT a urination contest)
Sinking under its own weight
There are also some images of the CSC here...
LinkedIn - BAE Systems Maritime
(Note - DISCUSSION - NOT a urination contest)
Sinking under its own weight
There are also some images of the CSC here...
LinkedIn - BAE Systems Maritime
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Todjaeger
Potstirrer
My first thought is that the author sounded more like a political reporter, rather than a defence reporter. One of the red flags being the notion of Canada purchasing Constellation-class frigates from the US, since that is not an option at present, as US yard are occupied filling orders for the US. Another is he seems unaware of the very different displacements intended for the two vessels, with the CSC having the greater displacement. He also seems to either be ignorant or unaware of the intention that the CSC will have both CMS330 and Aegis.
When all that gets put together, it suggests to me that the author is writing about a subject on which he has an opinion, but does not actually know what he is writing about.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
I really hope the CSC doesn’t fall off the rails. Canadian modifications to the T26 design are probably less intensive than for the Hunter class version but certainly the cost is increasing to the point where 15 ships won’t happen, especially if the RCN wants 8 SSKs.
Also to me it is clearly a poltical piece more than a tecnical one. But it is intereting how there are more and more voices.
Back during the selection there was just one main pro -FREMM voice the same one that also voiced the C27 vs C-235 competition problems. I forgot the name but it was clearly an Euro lobbyist journalist.
Now a fast search and you get multiple journalist with the same vibe.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Everything Canada is political when it comes to defence. The journalist writes for the National Post, a rightist paper and pro-defence. The problem is really junior. His minions simply can't explain how they define the cost let alone what the actual cost will be. This just makes it incredibly easy to criticise CSC, rightly or wrongly. Social and economic pressures, largely created by junior, could force defence cuts but there is an increasing awareness amongst some of the electorate here that these cuts are no longer viable. The next election will see huge Liberal promises to fix health care and increase funding for housing with money they don't have. Liberals fooled voters last time with promises they couldn't deliver....except for legal marijuana.
The PBO, Parliamentary budget office puts out a detailed costing report of the CSC Project yearly, including mid-life refit costs, to disposal at end of life.
I'll see if I can find a link.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
The reports are only as good as the data going in. I don’t trust anything coming out of Ottawa. Do you think the COVID costs are properly accounted for? I don’t, just like junior’s vacation expenses.
Agreed on not trusting anything coming out of Ottawa.
Here is the link to the PDF for those interested YN5-253-2022-eng.pdf (publications.gc.ca) from Oct 27,2022
Of note-
Acquisition costs of $80.2 billion
Operations and sustainment $219.8
Total including development and disposal costs of $306.0 billion
If were lucky we will see 3 CSC built followed by a second class of "cheaper" ships. Only time will tell, but the track record of Canadian pollies to mess things up is extremely high.