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Canadian Coast Guard, not RCN.
This is hopeful - first test block cut for the Polar icebreaker:
This is hopeful - first test block cut for the Polar icebreaker:
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HaroldBloggins
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As it stands there is no Kingston Class replacement project stood up in Ottawa and no plans currently for one although that will change in a few years I would imagine. This is more or less a unsolicited concept like something Davie shipyard would do. I have seen government concept art and loose requirements from Ottawa about a possible Kingston Class replacement. If anything this broaches the subject.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Agree, a needed replacement for the Kingston class. Timing, early 2030s….maybe.
More on this topic - some pretty consistent and repeatable polling on Canadian attitudes towards defence spending: International Priorities: Defence rises in prominence as majority believes Canada’s military is lagging behind - Angus Reid InstituteNot so sure I agree. There have been several polls now showing quite a large majority of Canadians in favour of more spending on Defence.
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About two thirds of Canadians support increasing defence spending to reach NATO target: Nanos
Most Canadians support increasing defence spending to reach the two per cent target set by NATO allies, according to a national survey conducted by Nanos for CTV News.www.ctvnews.ca
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
The poll should have included “what programs should be trimmed to provide additional funding for defence” and “do you support tax increases for defence”. I expect that the response would be disappointing.
An interesting tie-up between Babcock, who currently maintain the Victoria Class subs, and Hyundai, related to the the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project. Further evidence the RCN is interested in the Korean subs.
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Babcock and HHI Sign a Technical Cooperation Agreement for the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project - Naval News
Babcock has signed a Technical Cooperation Agreement with HD HHI to collaborate on the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project (CPSP).
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More on KSSIII and the RCN:An interesting tie-up between Babcock, who currently maintain the Victoria Class subs, and Hyundai, related to the the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project. Further evidence the RCN is interested in the Korean subs.
Babcock and HHI Sign a Technical Cooperation Agreement for the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project - Naval News
Babcock has signed a Technical Cooperation Agreement with HD HHI to collaborate on the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project (CPSP).
Video: KSS III Submarine at MADEX 2023 - Naval News
Day 2 at MADEX 2023,the international maritime defense exhibition held in Busan, South Korea. In this video we focus on the KSS III submarine
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John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Realistically the only option for sub renewal is SK. European builders are pretty much committed except for perhaps France but French subs would be a political land mine IMO. Japanese subs would be a good choice but Japan needs all the subs they build.An interesting tie-up between Babcock, who currently maintain the Victoria Class subs, and Hyundai, related to the the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project. Further evidence the RCN is interested in the Korean subs.
Babcock and HHI Sign a Technical Cooperation Agreement for the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project - Naval News
Babcock has signed a Technical Cooperation Agreement with HD HHI to collaborate on the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project (CPSP).
Has the government committed to a program for a replacement submarine and its requirements so that tenders could be announced as per competition ? best boat stuff all else
A project office has been stood up in Ottawa, so it's as close to a commitment as possible at this time.
The thing I found interesting in the video at post 3350 is the statement by the HHI rep that they are offering a sub based on the KSSIII batch 2 that has both AIP and LiOn batteries to satisfy the RCN's need for a very long range patrol submarine.
I can understand the RCN is attempting to facilitate this but its the government that spends the money
were there other issues? re North West passage
Britain offers Canadian military help to defend the Arctic | CBC News
Canadian Patrol Submarine Discussion Ramps Up – Canadian Naval Review
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Pure speculation but on my part but besides needing to replace the Victoria class, the suggested number of 8-12 boats may indicate a growing concern about a the survivability of surface ships. Eight to twelve boats isn’t feasible unless the CSC is cut by at least 50%, again just my opinion. Other factors are at play, the geopolitical situation and our image with NATO partners.
Re survivability of surface ships U.S. Plans to Kill China's Hypersonics on the Cheap (foreignpolicy.com)
There seems to be a lot of different submarines being built to have a look at if one of the aims is that such a vessel is to already be in use ,but why does not the Candian navy provide some stipulation on guidelines for the submarine and its capabilities ,I would presume it would be required to be built in Canada
RCN would have a set of requirements, for sure, but they don't generally publish this information, which is why there is so much speculation on this. However, we can make some inferences, based on public statements by the RCN, and from Canadian defence experts.
Must have:
- "Some" under ice capability
- Long range and endurance
- Enhanced habitability
- Reduced crewing through high degree of automation
- AIP
- American systems (CMS and torpedoes)
- Built (or "assembled") in Canada
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Yes, there would pressure from Canadian yards to have these subs constructed in Canada, especially if some funding comes from cuts to other naval projects. Probably a long term goal but the first boats would come from SK.
At this point, both projects are separately funded. All things being equal, if properly funded, there should be no cannibalization between the projects. The RCN surface navy mafia is quite powerful, so if comes to a budget fight, I would guess the subs would be cut before CSC. But, at this time, there is $60Billion for subs...
Not RCN, but CCG again. Some quite detailed information (including fancy graphics) of the Multi-purpose Vessels, of which 16 are planned. 8200 tons, and PC4 rated.
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Multi-Purpose Vessels - Seaspan
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