Jason_DBF
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HMAS Orion I served on her and didn't even know. I asked some fellow submariners
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HMAS Orion I served on her and didn't even know. I asked some fellow submariners
Crew numbers listed is probably a ‘normal complement’ as well. Just like it’s going to be armed ‘normally’ with ESSM and SM-2 when we ‘know’ it will be ESSM Block 2 and SM-2 and likely SM-6…
Normal complements and ‘overload’ complements are quite likely very different numbers.
Redlands18
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Attack Force Z - Wikipedia
The crest could be a movie prop.
There was an Australian-Taiwanese WW2 movie filmed in Taiwanese waters in1979 called Attack Force Z but the big thing that stood out for me, is they used an Oberon class Sub as a substitute for a WW2 RN Sub. The timing certainly fits, if a RAN O class boat was used in a movie in 1979 around Taiwan, then a port visit to Singapore is highly credible. I haven't watched the movie in 40 years and can only remember an aerial shot of the Sub on the surface, it was clearly an Oberon.
The crest could be a movie prop.
There was an Australian-Taiwanese WW2 movie filmed in Taiwanese waters in1979 called Attack Force Z but the big thing that stood out for me, is they used an Oberon class Sub as a substitute for a WW2 RN Sub. The timing certainly fits, if a RAN O class boat was used in a movie in 1979 around Taiwan, then a port visit to Singapore is highly credible. I haven't watched the movie in 40 years and can only remember an aerial shot of the Sub on the surface, it was clearly an Oberon.
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Its a bit simplistic for a heraldry shield, it could be an award given out for an exercise or event. I thought it would be easy to find, but it didn't match up to any Oberon boat from anywhere.
It looks like it had stars and a sword, Orion ish symbolism. Maybe someone was feeling creative? At spectacle island there is boxes of odd Oberon stuff that was at platypus or on the boats themselves.
Looking at Jason_DBF pic it certainly could be Orion, you can see, although fuzzy the ships crest is mounted at the top of the sail, this plaque in questions seems to be associated with the ships bell.
Another pic, although again not high res seems to show the same things for Orion.
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Going Boeing
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Involving the Swedes makes so much sense for reducing the risks associated with the Collins class LOTE - they’ve got experience with a similar project.
Sweden to Assist Australia for Submarine Upgrade Program - Naval News
Sweden to Assist Australia for Submarine Upgrade Program - Naval News
Jason_DBF
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I served on HMAS Orion and it's a additional crest that was displayed. The bell hung off from the bottom. It's the Orion constellation. The mullets that had to put up the "pretties" when in port used to whinge as it was a pain in the butt to do.Looking at Jason_DBF pic it certainly could be Orion, you can see, although fuzzy the ships crest is mounted at the top of the sail, this plaque in questions seems to be associated with the ships bell.
Another pic, although again not high res seems to show the same things for Orion.
Hmas Orion
Jason_DBF
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You're wrong mate it's Orion I served on her. The boats crest was up higher near the bridge. This Shield is the Orion constellation with belt and thor's sword. The ships bell was mounted from it.
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meatshield
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Sorry for the one liner but I found this article and thought the group would like the read
First Australian Submariners Set To Graduate From U.S. Navy's Nuke School (thedrive.com)
First Australian Submariners Set To Graduate From U.S. Navy's Nuke School (thedrive.com)
Yep, it’s getting to become a bit of a joke.
Add into that the fact the design has a greater light ship displacement than a flight IIA Burke, yet with a third of the cells.
And the fact it has roughly the same amount of power as a Constellation Class frigate yet has a displacement which is over a third greater.
It’s an anti-submarine frigate not an Air Warfare Destroyer. All those sensors and hull and machinery quietening features take up space. From all accounts it will excel in this role while being able to defend itself and the ships being escorted by it. It is a huge step up from an ANZAC. Not sure why you are advocating for it to be an Arleigh Burke (which is not particularly good at ASW, shorter range and double the crew complement.
Like many layman naval architects I do struggle with the notion that the Hunter Class cannot have an additional VLS load out.
Maybe it will eventuate in the final design or evolve with later batches , I don't know.
Like others, I observe and ask why does the Hunter only have 32 VLS when the smaller Hobart has 48.
Seems strange
Now I do get all the mission bay, specialised ASW profile and more modern computer stuff but what are we talking about.
Two by MK 41 8 Cell VLS to equal the Hobarts loadout of 48.
Hopefully even more.
The foot print of these are just not that great.
2.540 x 3.404 plus there depth which is placed low down in the hull.
Each about 21t fully loaded with ESSM.
Find it very difficult to believe a 10000 t ship could not accommodate this and not be compromised in its initial purpose.
If this cannot be done then we bought the wrong ship.
Then again, I cannot fathom why an ASW frigate doesn't have a side by side hangar with access to the flight deck for both helicopters/ UAV's and a mission bay still located central to the ship.
A clunky layout
Was once an ambassador for this design and are now losing faith.
Cheers S
Given the number of MFU the RAN are set to have, do we have the luxury to have “single role” vessels? It’s going to have a world class radar, and Aegis. Additional VLS cells add flexibility through a more diverse (and deeper) magazine. A limit of 32 Cells compromises the utility (or combat endurance) of the warship when you start talking current and future weapons (SM-2/SM-3?/SM-6 and Tomahawk).
128 ESSM is nothing to sneeze at. Block 2 is much better than the SM-1 ever was and gives you some decent area defence. Yes you could include some SM-2 and SM-6 in the load out but I would envisage these would mainly be carried by Hobart DDGs. Most missile threats are going to be over the horizon pop up threats for which the ESSM is perfectly suited and long range SAMs offer no advantage. Let the SSNs with their VLS tubes do the land attack.
To the best of my knowledge, the Chinese carrier programme has effectively been running since they early 2000's, after they purchased the Russian carrier Varyag allegedly for the purposes of converting it to be a floating hotel & casino, back in 1998. By circa 2010, the real game plan of actually turning her back into a carrier for the PLAN was in full swing. Part of that workload was the redesign / reverse engineering for the shipyards to start producing their own Chinese built carriers & similar to the British QE class, I understand that the new ones are being built in sections / blocks / modules, then shipped to the Dalian shipyard where the ship is put together.
In parallel to all of this, as far back as 2009, I have recollection of a blog showing images of how they were using a land based facility (complete with ski-jump), so it was the same size & shape, to simulate the island & control centre.
China's land based carrier
& as for operating away from home...?
While all those who celebrate holidays on 25th December, Guess where Liaoning (Carrier #1 / CV16) was ? A mere 350 nautical miles from Guam.
Shandong (Carrier #2 / CV17), did something similar in April, but only getting to about 400 nautical miles from Guam.
FYI Guam is about 1850 nautical miles (as the crow flies), from mainland China.
PLAN carrier transit routes December 22 & April 23
SA
The Spruances were much better ASW platforms than the FFGs and much larger, the Broardswords, specialist ASW frigates, were larger than the Sheffield Class DDG. The USSR had very large ASW cruisers. It's not so much about the weapons, but the sensors and optimising the platform to get the most out of them.
Sometimes high end ASW platforms have enough space and weight to fit a decent GP or even air warfare capability. Often they don't.
The Type 26 also has a multi mission deck, going forward this will be critical. This is one way how the UuVs, and all the other goodies, people are so excited about are going to get to where they are needed.
Sometimes high end ASW platforms have enough space and weight to fit a decent GP or even air warfare capability. Often they don't.
The Type 26 also has a multi mission deck, going forward this will be critical. This is one way how the UuVs, and all the other goodies, people are so excited about are going to get to where they are needed.
Ok so accept that its an ASW Frigate…why ageis?