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ADMk2

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Anyone see this?:eek:nfloorl:

Eric Palmer blog: LM sales force in pre-Internet era

Check out the comment...can someone tell me who Don Bacon is?
Hey Andrew, welcome back, long time no see...

He is a absolute nutter. Hangs out (online) with Eric, Soloman Snafu and a few other similar fruitcakes.

One if the more prominent (lately) anti-JSF cult members who is convinced it is all a giant conspiracy, and an anti-semitic bigot to boot.

Did you get a chance to see the roll out of AU-1 / 2? Looking pretty snazzy...

Regards,

AD
 

ADMk2

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Does anyone have any up-to-date info on what's happening with the seven CH-47Fs Army is buying?

I was expecting to have seen some news on rollouts/deliveries by now, but DMO and Boeing are being very quiet...
First two are supposed to be delivered this year, but haven't seen nor heard a peep out of Boeing or Army about them... :)
 

ADMk2

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No, apparently I wasn't deemed worthy of a media ticket by LockMart.
Ah, oh well. Any chance we might see an F-35 at Avalon next year, have you heard?

Assuming flight restrictions are lifted... :)
 

aussienscale

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Ah, oh well. Any chance we might see an F-35 at Avalon next year, have you heard?

Assuming flight restrictions are lifted... :)
If it does, I will be there, would not miss that one :) Would be interesting would they send a B and well ?
 

StingrayOZ

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If it does, I will be there, would not miss that one :) Would be interesting would they send a B and well ?
I would imagine they are looking to sell what we need rather than what would be nice. I think they would only send a A model. Low risk, its what we are getting. The selling of the B will really start after a significant portion of the A have been delivered and paid for.
 

ADMk2

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I would imagine they are looking to sell what we need rather than what would be nice. I think they would only send a A model. Low risk, its what we are getting. The selling of the B will really start after a significant portion of the A have been delivered and paid for.
Maybe, maybe not.

They've already sold us our planned initial 72 F-35A models. Phase 2C (I think though it will probably change so it's moot) remains un-decided and the -B would certainly put on the more interesting airshow...
 

Raven22

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Does anyone have any up-to-date info on what's happening with the seven CH-47Fs Army is buying?

I was expecting to have seen some news on rollouts/deliveries by now, but DMO and Boeing are being very quiet...
The new Chooks are on the assembly line now. Still scheduled for delivery early next year.
 
The new Chooks are on the assembly line now. Still scheduled for delivery early next year.
Any word on the long term plans w.r.t the D's (assuming there's life still in some)?

Not even sure that the new infrastructure under construction in Townsville, will be able to support 7+..

Shame, even if we can't keep a few for 'domestic' use.
 

Raven22

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Any word on the long term plans w.r.t the D's (assuming there's life still in some)?

Not even sure that the new infrastructure under construction in Townsville, will be able to support 7+..

Shame, even if we can't keep a few for 'domestic' use.
No real news. There's still a long term requirement for 12 airframes, but who knows if that will happen. The reason more than 7 weren't bought originally is because 5 Avn weren't able to grow fast enough to actually man them. With the withdrawal from Afghanistan and the passing of time, it is possible that the -Ds will be be remanufactured into Fs and kept in service, or even new builds bought.
 
No real news. There's still a long term requirement for 12 airframes, but who knows if that will happen. The reason more than 7 weren't bought originally is because 5 Avn weren't able to grow fast enough to actually man them. With the withdrawal from Afghanistan and the passing of time, it is possible that the -Ds will be be remanufactured into Fs and kept in service, or even new builds bought.
Thanks Raven for the info. Hoping the next DWP accelerates a decision. 12 is enough.

I know Canadians regretted their decision (with hindsight) by offloading some of their D's to the Dutch, when they went F.
 

t68

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Without wanting to derail the LHD thread, I came across an interesting tidbit of information regarding the B1 Lancer. Without aerial refueling, the combat radius of F/A-18E/Fs and F-35As would be limited to 390 miles and 584miles, and only having 5x KC-30A in the fleet our ability to conduct long range strike is severely limited.

As part of the paper from CSBA called gateway to the indo-pacific Australian defence strategy and the future of the Australian-US Alliance it suggests that According to U.S. Air Force sources, the "ownership cost per flying hour" for the B-1 is $62,000, including all operations and sustainment costs as well as fuel. The main cost driver is maintenance. A typical seven-hour training sortie roughly costs $430,000. Assuming a B-1 flies at least once weekly, the annual sustainment cost would be $22.5M. A twelve-aircraft squadron for a year would then cost $270M, which is roughly one percent of Australia’s defense budget.

If the above statement is true or not I can only guess it would be interesting to see the difference in operating costs from the F111 for the same amount of aircraft and which would give the ADF a better overall result to the defence budget to capability gained.

Gateway to the Indo-Pacific: Australian Defense Strategy and the Future of the Australia-U.S. Alliance | CSBA
 

ADMk2

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Without wanting to derail the LHD thread, I came across an interesting tidbit of information regarding the B1 Lancer. Without aerial refueling, the combat radius of F/A-18E/Fs and F-35As would be limited to 390 miles and 584miles, and only having 5x KC-30A in the fleet our ability to conduct long range strike is severely limited.

As part of the paper from CSBA called gateway to the indo-pacific Australian defence strategy and the future of the Australian-US Alliance it suggests that According to U.S. Air Force sources, the "ownership cost per flying hour" for the B-1 is $62,000, including all operations and sustainment costs as well as fuel. The main cost driver is maintenance. A typical seven-hour training sortie roughly costs $430,000. Assuming a B-1 flies at least once weekly, the annual sustainment cost would be $22.5M. A twelve-aircraft squadron for a year would then cost $270M, which is roughly one percent of Australia’s defense budget.

If the above statement is true or not I can only guess it would be interesting to see the difference in operating costs from the F111 for the same amount of aircraft and which would give the ADF a better overall result to the defence budget to capability gained.

Gateway to the Indo-Pacific: Australian Defense Strategy and the Future of the Australia-U.S. Alliance | CSBA
Firstly it's nautical miles not miles and secondly the range issue is no different to the F-111. The B-1 isn't going against an advanced air defence system by itself. It will need to be escorted.

The B-1 in RAAF service will also be employing stand-off weapons during day one operations of any war and with weapons like JASSM-ER and perhaps Tomahawk coming into ADF Orbat in years to come I don't see the cost of the B-1 being worth it. Our overall strike range capability in real combat as opposed to exercise scenarios is increasing anyway.

It may well be a small percentage of ADF's budget, but without an increase overall, we'd need to reduce a fighter squadron or more to pay for it. Where are the increased escorts needed to maximise the B-1's strike capability coming from, when fighter numbers are reducing to pay for it? If you really want to increase strike, we need far greater refuelling assets to allow our fighters the range to support the B-1's. The cost goes up depending on how much capability you want.

I think this argument is a waste of time personally. Yes B-1 would bring more strike if we could actually provide it the level of support USAF provides for theirs, but we can't. Not without an enormous investment no peace time Australian Government will be prepared to make.

Of further note, the B-1 is also the first of the 'bomber triad' the USAF is planning on retiring...
 

old faithful

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Just returned home from a trip to the snow to find "pitch black" in full swing.
Just home from bunnings, where I watched some fighters return from ex. Being so close to the airport, got a great view of of some Sing Eagles coming in to land, then some US Hornets followed by some of our new 18F, s. Could have sworn I saw a pair of Grippens, Thai? What a treat, been a long time since Ive seen delta, s in flight.
 

Volkodav

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Just returned home from a trip to the snow to find "pitch black" in full swing.
Just home from bunnings, where I watched some fighters return from ex. Being so close to the airport, got a great view of of some Sing Eagles coming in to land, then some US Hornets followed by some of our new 18F, s. Could have sworn I saw a pair of Grippens, Thai? What a treat, been a long time since Ive seen delta, s in flight.
Wish I was there to see it but will be stuck down south for another three to four weeks. My Sony Alfa and its zoom need a bit of a workout.
 

ADMk2

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Just returned home from a trip to the snow to find "pitch black" in full swing.
Just home from bunnings, where I watched some fighters return from ex. Being so close to the airport, got a great view of of some Sing Eagles coming in to land, then some US Hornets followed by some of our new 18F, s. Could have sworn I saw a pair of Grippens, Thai? What a treat, been a long time since Ive seen delta, s in flight.
Yep the RTAF have deployed 6x JAS-39C/D's for Pitch Black...
 

t68

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If anyone is interested they ADF is having a draft environmental impact statement for the F35 at the Raymond Terrece Bowling Club at 1830-2100hrs on Tuesday 12 August

Would be interesting how the noise level impacts the community from the legacy hornets to the F35
 
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