Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions

[Big-E]

I meant they need to get a new aircraft for strike and maritime attack purposes.

jf-17 doesnt fill in the role good

It doesn't? It can carry all kinds of PGMs and anti-shipping missiles, I couldn't think of a better aircraft for the purpose based on price.

 

[y_raj]

what about the range ? and in-flight refuelling?

 

[Big-E]

what about the range ? and in-flight refuelling?

I thought the Thunder will be outfitted with an IFR probe. As far as range what do you expect for $15 million? I think 900-1200km combat radius isn't bad for that amount of money. Your not buying the Raptor.

 

[DragonKing786]

It will have a British made IFR probe installed., it will be capable as a multi-role plane (aswell as martime operations), Pakistan is getting re-fueling tankers for the airforce about 6 I believe from Ukraine., and for naval air arm., pakistan is getting some about 3-4 PC-3 Orions some will be equiped with the E-2C Hawkeye 2000 Airborne Early Warning Suite., while others will be upgraded. Bring about total of 10 in Naval Air Arm which isn't bad considering our shore line. (Article Link)

For it's price it is a capable plane., and alot of room for upgrades., from personal sources PAF has eyes on western avionics., since alot of embargo's has been lifted (and will want TOT) along with the purchases. Also., the PAF will be getting some J-10s (Ex-lavi Design improved with Israel and Russian help) from China., so PAF will be getti'in it's edge back soon., and some are still eyeing Euro fighters like Griffen and Rafale.

If you need anymore info just ask.

* Also., PAF even knows it's a mid-tech fighter., reason for upgradig it's F-16s and getting new ones., and high-tech J-10s (So far 36 have been given an order to China).

 

[tphuang]

what about the range ? and in-flight refuelling?

with 3 fuel tanks, JF-17 has a combat radius of 1800 km and a range of 3500 km. I'm serious. The former I got from an interview with its developer. The latter I heard it on CCTV 9 when prototype 04 first flied.

 

[ajay_ijn]

with 3 fuel tanks, JF-17 has a combat radius of 1800 km and a range of 3500 km. I'm serious. The former I got from an interview with its developer. The latter I heard it on CCTV 9 when prototype 04 first flied.

thats unbelievable, with just around 6 tons max fuel.

 

[y_raj]

with 3 fuel tanks, JF-17 has a combat radius of 1800 km and a range of 3500 km. I'm serious. The former I got from an interview with its developer. The latter I heard it on CCTV 9 when prototype 04 first flied.

so do you mean it has a combat radius more than su30mki though it is comparably smaller.
moreover you need to carry much load in form of cruise missiles in maritime role. i seriously doubt such range with such payload. BTW how many harpoon II it can carry for such role?

 

[falconlover81]

so do you mean it has a combat radius more than su30mki though it is comparably smaller.
moreover you need to carry much load in form of cruise missiles in maritime role. i seriously doubt such range with such payload. BTW how many harpoon II it can carry for such role?

There's no doubt I mean the MKI is a bigger jet as compared to the thunder and both obviously cannot have the same combat radius but in ur second point u have mentioned something about harpoons and let me clear u that as of now the thunder cannot carry harpoons and for maritime role it is stated to carry the C-802 KD anti-ship missile unless it is modified to carry western avionics.Hope to clear ur point.

 

[Aussie Digger]

thats unbelievable, with just around 6 tons max fuel.

It might be able to reach that range and turn around and go home, whilst in "clean" configuration (ie: no weapons), but operational loads will increase drag and the weight of the aircraft and cannot BUT affect the range.

Also there is no way the aircraft can have any significant "time on station" at such a range, reducing the usefulness of "declaring" such a range...

 

[tphuang]

so do you mean it has a combat radius more than su30mki though it is comparably smaller.
moreover you need to carry much load in form of cruise missiles in maritime role. i seriously doubt such range with such payload. BTW how many harpoon II it can carry for such role?

Standard configuration for JF-17 in such a role is 3 external tanks + 2 SD-10 + 2 PL-9C. That already uses up all of its hard points. It's really not designed for launching cruise missiles. And besides, the Chinese missiles are much lighter and probably provide less drag than humongous Russian ones.

 

[corzair]

Why would anyone go for an outdated SU-27 when they can buy a J-10 ? Even China has stopped production of its SU27s and is buying SU-30MKs and now SU-33s. As regards a Mig-29.....AGAIN.....why buy it when Pakistan is getting 36 new Block52 F-16s??

ok fine I ment SU-27 class but hey even mirages are outdated and PAF getting good use out of them. its now what you have its how you use it
too.

its just a question and something i'd like to know ie would PAF like a few big jets too? that offer a lot more punch ...

Personal Attack on any one is not funny either. You have a right to disagree with a member's post or its content but making fun of them is not funny. No further warning for a future comments like the one you made.

 

[radiosilence]

its just a question and something i'd like to know ie would PAF like a few big jets too? that offer a lot more punch ...

The "big jets" that you are refering to are more expensive to maintained. I think with the order of block 52+ f16s and the ones going thru MLU will enhance the PAF strike capabilities. Also, pshamim can shed some insights on the decision by the PAF(whether its only financial) to go with a single engine fighter as appose to a twin-engine fighter.

 

[Big-E]

Also, pshamim can shed some insights on the decision by the PAF(whether its only financial) to go with a single engine fighter as appose to a twin-engine fighter.

The dual-engine option is generally chosen when your AF must fight a large portion in a maritime role. Considering most of PAFs action will be overland it really shouldn't be a priority.

 

[falconlover81]

Pakistan To Get High Tech Air Defence System

Hi Guys.The list of items keeps getting longer and longer.

Pakistan to get high-tech air defence system

By Hanif Khalid

ISLAMABAD: As per President Musharraf's directives Pakistan will acquire a high-tech air defence system next year, but it must come with transfer of technology, an official told The News.
China and a European country have offered Pakistan High-to-Medium-Altitude Air Defence System, Low-to-Medium-Altitude Air Defence System, Medium-Altitude Air Defence System and Short-Range Air Defence System," said an official, who wanted not to be named. "The two countries have also offered to set up a project in Pakistan for manufacturing short- medium- and high-range air defence systems," he added.
The official said a former PAF chief had sent a summary to President Musharraf for the purchase of a high-altitude air defence system from a European country without transfer of technology, but the president rejected it.
The summary has been rejected because Pakistan's adversary has MiG-25, MiG-29, SU-27 and SU-30 fighter planes which are capable of flying at an altitude of more than 25km," he added.
India has these aircraft since 2002 whereas the PAF has no effective weapon system to save major cities of the country and defence installations from any attack by such planes, the official said.
Had the organisations engaged in developing nuclear-capable missiles indigenously been tasked with the development of a system to overcome this shortcoming, the country would have until now achieved the capability of hitting planes at an altitude of 25-29 kilometres," he remarked. "But no attention has been paid towards this aspect of the country's air defence capability."
The official said that Pakistan has radars that can detect aircraft flying at an altitude of 25-29 kilometres but the country still lacks a weapon system to hit such planes. He said the country needs to install at least one battery of an ultra-modern air defence system on four sides of major cities or military installations for security.
According to the official, one battery of such a defence system would comprise 16 vehicles, including two radar carriers, six missile launching vehicles and six support vehicles and thus each battery would cost $40-50 million.
A short-range air defence system can shoot down an enemy plane up to five kilometres and medium-range system is capable of hitting and attacking aircraft up to 25 kilometres while a high-range air defence system can hit an enemy plane at a distance of 90 kilometres, elaborated the official.

link:http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=5036

 

[aaaditya]

Hi Guys.The list of items keeps getting longer and longer.

Pakistan to get high-tech air defence system

By Hanif Khalid

ISLAMABAD: As per President Musharraf's directives Pakistan will acquire a high-tech air defence system next year, but it must come with transfer of technology, an official told The News.
China and a European country have offered Pakistan High-to-Medium-Altitude Air Defence System, Low-to-Medium-Altitude Air Defence System, Medium-Altitude Air Defence System and Short-Range Air Defence System," said an official, who wanted not to be named. "The two countries have also offered to set up a project in Pakistan for manufacturing short- medium- and high-range air defence systems," he added.
The official said a former PAF chief had sent a summary to President Musharraf for the purchase of a high-altitude air defence system from a European country without transfer of technology, but the president rejected it.
The summary has been rejected because Pakistan's adversary has MiG-25, MiG-29, SU-27 and SU-30 fighter planes which are capable of flying at an altitude of more than 25km," he added.
India has these aircraft since 2002 whereas the PAF has no effective weapon system to save major cities of the country and defence installations from any attack by such planes, the official said.
Had the organisations engaged in developing nuclear-capable missiles indigenously been tasked with the development of a system to overcome this shortcoming, the country would have until now achieved the capability of hitting planes at an altitude of 25-29 kilometres," he remarked. "But no attention has been paid towards this aspect of the country's air defence capability."
The official said that Pakistan has radars that can detect aircraft flying at an altitude of 25-29 kilometres but the country still lacks a weapon system to hit such planes. He said the country needs to install at least one battery of an ultra-modern air defence system on four sides of major cities or military installations for security.
According to the official, one battery of such a defence system would comprise 16 vehicles, including two radar carriers, six missile launching vehicles and six support vehicles and thus each battery would cost $40-50 million.
A short-range air defence system can shoot down an enemy plane up to five kilometres and medium-range system is capable of hitting and attacking aircraft up to 25 kilometres while a high-range air defence system can hit an enemy plane at a distance of 90 kilometres, elaborated the official.

link:http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=5036

thats interesting ,25 kms meens about 75000+ feet ,i wonder how many missiles are there that can fly to that altitude,the french aster30 may be able to achieve that and the meads.

 

[kams]

thats interesting ,25 kms meens about 75000+ feet ,i wonder how many missiles are there that can fly to that altitude,the french aster30 may be able to achieve that and the meads.

There is no aircraft of IAF capab le of flying at that height.

 

[falconlover81]

Pakistan to convert AIM-9M 1/2 TO 8/9 Standards.

$5.9M to Upgrade 310 AIM-9 Sidewinders for Pakistan

Raytheon Missile Systems in Tucson, AZ received a $5.9 million modification to a previously awarded firm-fixed price contract (N00019-03-C-0003) for the conversion of 310 AIM-9M Sidewinder short range air-air missiles to AIM-9M-8/9s, and for the procurement of 10 Captive Air Training Missiles and 20 guidance control sections for the Government of Pakistan under the Foreign Military Sales Program. Work will be performed in Tucson, AZ (84%); Rocket Center, WV (13%); and Andover, MA (3%), and is expected to be complete in October 2007. The Naval Air Systems Command in Patuxent River, MD issued the contract.

This sale may be connected to a $650 million weapons package that is in turn part of a $5.1 billion upgrade & expansion of Pakistan's F-16 fleet. That June 28, 2006 weapons package request included 200 AIM-9M-8/9 Sidewinder Short-Range Air-Air Missiles, the version before the fifth-generation AIM-9X. On the other hand, DID's October 2005 article covered the sale of 300 AIM-9M Sidewinders to Pakistan, which could make this contract an independent modification of Pakistan's existing AIM-9M stockpile.

So this basically means the AIM-9M 1/2 that we purchased are being converted to 8/9 standards.

 

[vedang]

$5.9M to Upgrade 310 AIM-9 Sidewinders for Pakistan



So this basically means the AIM-9M 1/2 that we purchased are being converted to 8/9 standards.

So what standard will that be???AIM-9L???

 

[P.A.F]

http://www.defencetalk.com/news/pub...h_F-16_Fire_Control_Radar_Systems10009872.php

BALTIMORE: Northrop Grumman Corporation has been awarded a contract to provide its advanced AN/APG-68(V)9 airborne fire control radar capability for a total of 52 F-16 fighter aircraft for the Pakistan Air Force.

The contract, awarded by the U.S. Air Force, valued at $49.75 million, calls for the manufacture and installation of the radars on 18 new F-16 Block 52+ aircraft with retrofit kits for 34 existing F-16 A/B Block 15 aircraft. Delivery of the first radar systems will commence in 2008.
The contract also includes options to equip up to 44 additional F-16 aircraft with the AN/APG-68(V)9 radar capability. This would involve the manufacture of complete radar systems for 18 new F-16 Block 52+ aircraft, with retrofit kits for an additional 26 F-16 A/B Block 15 aircraft.
The newest version of the F-16 radar, Northrop Grumman's AN/APG-68(V)9, features a high resolution synthetic aperture radar capability and provides the F-16 with extended air-to-air detection range, increased reliability and lower support costs.
"Today's combat and peace keeping operations require very precise air-to-ground strike capability," said Katie A. Gray, vice president of F-16 sensor systems at Northrop Grumman's Electronic Systems sector. "The Pakistan Air Force will not only employ state-of-the-art fire control radar capability for both air-to-ground and air-to-air superiority, but will also benefit from the cost savings associated with F-16 fleet radar commonality across all of their new F-16s and existing F-16 A/B Block 15 aircraft."
To date, over 450 APG-68(V)9 radars have been ordered by eight different countries, with over 300 radars delivered for integration and installation in new F-16 Block 52+ aircraft, for retrofit into F-16 C/D aircraft and for retrofit into F-16 A/B aircraft.
Northrop Grumman Corporation is a $30 billion global defense and technology company whose 120,000 employees provide innovative systems, products, and solutions in information and services, electronics, aerospace and shipbuilding to government and commercial customers worldwide.


:kar

 

[Aussie Digger]

So what standard will that be???AIM-9L???

AIM-9M8/9 standards mate. Though why they don't go straight for AIM-9X ir IRIS-T or something, is beyond me...