is pakistan considering the chinese jh-7 ? they seem to be pretty good replacements for the mirage3 and mirage5 ,having speed of 1.6-1.8 mach,combat radius of 1600 kms and a weapon load 6.5 tons(to be increased to 8 tons),designed as a nuclear weapons delivery platform,i remember reading in a janes magazine that the production versions for chinese air force would also utilize radar absorbent coatings.overall seems to be a pretty capable platform.
Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions
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Aussie Digger
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The normal electronic warfare and EW self protection systems (plus probably HARM missiles) that normally accompany these fighters I reckon? I'd imagine the deal means that the F-16's aren't going to be equipped with the US EW/EWSP equipment but "other" options might be open, such as British or French or possibly Swedish equipment instead...mysterious said:
Such equipment is vital to USAF capability as I'm sure anyone could imagine...
doesnt integration of foreign ew equipment require source codes to make them compatible? if so will usa provide pakistan with the source codes?Aussie Digger said:
because if pakistan gets these source codes,they can do any type of modifications on their aircrafts,that will defeat us purpose of placing restrictions on pakistan.
At Last Some Good News About F 16
So it seems to clear that PAF will got the F 16, we are still hanging with these why dont PAF try to get some F 14 or F 18 which will realy boost the inventory of PAF and try to balance the LEVEL with the indians .. how you peoples consider SU 27 or 30 if CHINA got these things from Russia why dont pakistan got these BIRDS from CHINA if the make them locally in CHINA.:type
So it seems to clear that PAF will got the F 16, we are still hanging with these why dont PAF try to get some F 14 or F 18 which will realy boost the inventory of PAF and try to balance the LEVEL with the indians .. how you peoples consider SU 27 or 30 if CHINA got these things from Russia why dont pakistan got these BIRDS from CHINA if the make them locally in CHINA.:type
ajaybhutani
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1. F15/14 cost a lot more than F16.. bigger birds even mean bigger infrastructure longer runways.. bigger fuel costs per plane..ahussains said:
2. chineese do make them locally by now.. but not all of it.. and again if they transfer some to paksitan its a breach of their aggrement to russia..
yea thats right for now Pakistan can't afford a twin engine plan .. but soon PAF will have to decide on it as as far as i think J-XX will b flying in about 5 year time ( after all if it does exist ) than perhaps Pakistan may have its hand on it ... apart from that i have heard that J-10 did beat Su-27 in almost everytime it flown again dont have a relaible source or sorry i dont know about it yet any one got any ????tphuang said:
and if thats trure than we can survive for about 10 years without thinking about twin engine plane like Rafale for example bcause thats the best plan PAF can have with out much hurdles .......
But i m looking forward for J-10 any one got some information when its going to be inducted into PAF ???? and i think F-16 induction should only be a defensive role as U.S.A striping off the offensive capability, for me ... look for Chinese , F-16 (America) bye bye ( not a reliable source look at past experince )
powerslavenegi
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Baah....
J-10 superior to Su-27 eh....dude that is as loose as it can get.J-10 cannot be compared to even an F-16 otherwise how do you explain the recent F-16 Block 52 package to P.A.F .uaf said:
F16 or Any thing Else
Well friends i am still happy if PAF will got some thing else rather then F16 like
J10
Gripen
Mairages (Tooo Expensives)
Migs or Sukhois.
because by having these the political pressure is less of US no spare problems and PAF will got some good alternatives of US planes. I know the russians are OLD and out dated but they can be well upgarded and well maintained as PAF already done to F16 they have the ability to do so in my opinon my GOLDEN CHOICE is for GRIPEN ... with Ericsson's ERIEYEon SABE 2000..
What you people think
Well friends i am still happy if PAF will got some thing else rather then F16 like
J10
Gripen
Mairages (Tooo Expensives)
Migs or Sukhois.
because by having these the political pressure is less of US no spare problems and PAF will got some good alternatives of US planes. I know the russians are OLD and out dated but they can be well upgarded and well maintained as PAF already done to F16 they have the ability to do so in my opinon my GOLDEN CHOICE is for GRIPEN ... with Ericsson's ERIEYEon SABE 2000..
What you people think
http://www.wforum.com/specials/articles/04/25549.htmlpowerslavenegi said:J-10 superior to Su-27 eh....dude that is as loose as it can get.J-10 cannot be compared to even an F-16 otherwise how do you explain the recent F-16 Block 52 package to P.A.F .
go there and read it if you know chinese if not ??
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=1546&page=20
Try this , its already being discussed there and don’t think that Su-27 cant be lost ... F-16 Block 52 is not that bad and it doesn’t come only to maneuverability to beat a fighter plane and China has already stopped ordering equipment to build J-11s due to the success J-10 is having ... but if u read my post I said I don’t have a reliable source of it because we don’t know much about this secret machine (J-10) these are either mere speculations or if its true than there isn’t any official comments on it only the time will tell
Try the link it will defiantly help you
yea PAF is going for F-16 because they already have the infrastructure in place so adding new F-16 means they can easily maintained new ones as well as old ones and don’t forget PAF is buying equipment very much necessary for the old ones as well so it’s a package not just 36 new planes what are the terms and conditions well we will come to know in about a month time and after all PAF is in love with F-16
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powerslavenegi
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The forum reeks of narcissm man,J-10 uses a single engine derived from the AL31-FN and the avionics too are of Chinese origin(J-10A radar),the main armament too is R-73 and R-77 or their chinese clones (PL series).Now the only way J-10 can take out Su-30 or any A/C is if it can detect the other early.Su-30 MKI comes with a NIIP BARS Radar that can lock on a F-16 at a range of 120-145 Km and going by the size of J-10 it's RCS is surely greater than the F-16.If J-10 Radar has a longer range than Su-30 then surely it does have a chance(J-10 has being smaller in size would have to have an AESA from APG family or Elta 2052 to lock on to Su or any other A/c at long range).:smokeruaf said:http://www.wforum.com/specials/articles/04/25549.html
go there and read it if you know chinese if not ??
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=1546&page=20
Try this , its already being discussed there and don’t think that Su-27 cant be lost ... F-16 Block 52 is not that bad and it doesn’t come only to maneuverability to beat a fighter plane and China has already stopped ordering equipment to build J-11s due to the success J-10 is having ... but if u read my post I said I don’t have a reliable source of it because we don’t know much about this secret machine (J-10) these are either mere speculations or if its true than there isn’t any official comments on it only the time will tell
Try the link it will defiantly help you
yea PAF is going for F-16 because they already have the infrastructure in place so adding new F-16 means they can easily maintained new ones as well as old ones and don’t forget PAF is buying equipment very much necessary for the old ones as well so it’s a package not just 36 new planes what are the terms and conditions well we will come to know in about a month time and after all PAF is in love with F-16
Read it carefully and for more knowledge visit links OK and When did I mentione Su-30 mki ?? Ok I presume you don’t read the post with full attention ... and if Chinese want to counter Su-27 and Su-30 than they will built a plane inferior to them ??? it does’t make sense man .. further more
Read this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_generation_jet_fighter
Still focus on my point we still don’t know much about this machine I myself is a fan of Su-30 Mki but that’s not where the world ends accept that reality ok I want to put some technical hints to help you up but try these links and please read them , Radar range can be from 130 KM~160 KM
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/j10.asp
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/j10.asp
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you need some serious lessons on what J-10 uses for its avionics and weapons. Basically, nothing you stated there is correct.powerslavenegi said:
Let's put it this way, do you know how large the nose size of J-10 is? Do you know what its RCS is? Do you know what kind of stats its radars have?
uaf, for something like J-10, a lot of stuff stated on sinodefence, especially regarding radar is speculation.
Yea I agree with you in fact I accepted it in my very first post that still we don’t know much about J-10 all I am saying is that I have read that J-10 did beat Flankers almost every time .... You can check that in the link I gave in my previous post at wikipedia ...... although it’s still disputed as far as for me because there isn’t any official comment on it but when China started J-10 program it was to counter Mig-29 and Su-27 so there must be something special as compared to these planes.tphuang said:
tphuang , I have also read it that two Chinese firms are working on AESA Radar do you have some information on it ??
Sorry had to make some changes in my post
powerslavenegi
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J-10 beat the flankers eh....
Interesting rather Propaganda should I say,an aircraft whose engine and avionics themselves are shrouded in uncertainity has partcipated in exercises gr8.As for Chinese Radar tech everyone knows they are recieving PERO tech from NIIP Russia(a phased array system).However large the nose size of j-10 ,it cant be larger than monstrous Flanker and hence more room for a Mech steered Radar(that is why I said only Aesa would provide the J-10 the neccessary edge).As far as RCS of J-10 is concerned Chinese would have to pullout something special from their bags to make the RCS of J-10 smaller than a smaller F-16.Lastly please refrain from siting wikipedia as a proof of technical facts ,the site is good for newbies not credible and accurate in terms of technical information.
Interesting rather Propaganda should I say,an aircraft whose engine and avionics themselves are shrouded in uncertainity has partcipated in exercises gr8.As for Chinese Radar tech everyone knows they are recieving PERO tech from NIIP Russia(a phased array system).However large the nose size of j-10 ,it cant be larger than monstrous Flanker and hence more room for a Mech steered Radar(that is why I said only Aesa would provide the J-10 the neccessary edge).As far as RCS of J-10 is concerned Chinese would have to pullout something special from their bags to make the RCS of J-10 smaller than a smaller F-16.Lastly please refrain from siting wikipedia as a proof of technical facts ,the site is good for newbies not credible and accurate in terms of technical information.
we know what engine the aircraft uses. We know most of the avionics it uses. We know that J-10 has numerous features that reduces RCS that F-16 do not have. And if you really think flankers have missiles that have 120 km NEZ, then nothing more I say can convince you otherwise.powerslavenegi said:
We know that China received no PERO tech from Russians. Look, I suggest you do a little research on plaaf first. And that goes for uaf too. Plaaf takes a lot of time and effort to follow and requires a lot of patience.